Train to Pakistan 2004 - Broad Ways

My previous post was meant specifically for Nikki. Other South Indians pls ignore the post.

Dost Mittar:

`` Right away, I would grant you that we panjabis are a very emotional people and embrace each other as easily as we cut throats.``

HAHAHA...THIS IS RICH. A Punjabi explaining to a Tambi that we are emotional people.

We are not the ones who commit suicide when some stupid leader fails to win an election or dies. How many of the Tamils burned themselves when MGR died. I have never heard of Punjabis opening temples and praying for film stars. But the Madrasis sure do it. They have temples for Khushboo.

As far as barbarism is concerned, I think the LTTE is far more barbaric then anything out of northwestern India or Pakistan.

Actually the people who do belong in cages are these Madrasis. when they stuff their black faces with rice using their hands, I am reminded of Langoors actually.

As a Tamilian with Punju friends both Hindu and Sikh, I have a very different opinion of Punjabis as opposed to Nikki. Agreed, what happened in Punjab in the 80s and early 90s was not something that can be easily forgotten, but the fact remains that Punjabis are as Indian as anyone else and as patriotic, if not more, as the rest of us. They *are* the lifeline of the Indian Army. So many have made the supreme sacrifice for the country that one loses count. There is a moving slideshow on Capt. Vikram Batra (incidentally a Punjabi), the lion of Kargil on rediff.com. Those who have some spare time may please go through it. And who can forget the legendary Bana Singh, (the only living Paramvir Chakra winner before the Kargil war) who spearheaded India`s counterattack in the Siachen Glacier, and consquently India`s domination of the icy heights. Nikki would do well if he stops thinking on regional lines.

Stukay:

This is what you wrote:

{HAHA. Good one dude. Tthere was a Pakistani Lt Gen Talat Masood who made the case that the reason Pakistan was in much worse shape then India was because the Punjabis were the majority there whereas they were diluted in India by other ethnic groups.}

Lt. Genearl Retired Talat Masood is considered to be an ``expert`` analyst on matter related to defense and national security, and appears regularly in pirnt and visual media in that capacity.

Does it make any sense now? If not, then so be it! :)-

Dear Punjus from either side of border,

A question in the lighter vein - what do Punjus have with bottle? I`ve seen people from all other regions drink to their satisfaction and other`s consternation, but none gained the kind of reputation that you guys have :-)

Is there something in the ``sohni dharti`` that encourages these binges?

o kaya hee baataan nay veeresh ji.

jay ik wari aaye ho tay phair vi aanday raho.

dhair saari mohabataan day naal,

mubashir

OK, time for responses . . . and right off the bat, please, there is no derision in my articles or posting . . . one does not viciously taunt neighbours but yes, one does exchange notes as well as go through a fair bit of truth . . . and in this case the neighbours are people who are PLUS only.

So. Also, I am going to ignore the Punjabi taunting going on, because.

HP/01 - on 3-pattee and Pakistanis, the one reason that I can think of is that the Pakistani shippie was, often, still getting the hang of booze, so after a while, started mis-judging the odds with low cards or kept going blind when others had strong ``open`` hands.

Kaurasuch/02 - this episode is more like the interval. Yes, as it goes on, it gets, how do we put it, more realistic?

DM/06 - how does one figure out they are snoops? Well, (a) they were visibly out of place and over the years one gets the inner tip-offs, and (b) there was a Pakistani who was with the Indian journos who indicated and (c) read the next episode/s please!

Jang/07 - the actress who played Carlotta is the daughter of the Sri Lankan High Commissioner to Pakistan. Yes, the Sri lankan presence in the Merchant Navy was and is quite high. Natural sailors with a great ability to produce documentation as required . . .

nikki7777/08 - I have great respect for Tamilians and thus have never been able to figure out how such an otherwise erudite and intelligent race can get stuck with a political system which swings wildly, goes to war on water and language with neighbouring states and, most of all, can not see the mote in its own eyes. Interim, to quote your words, would you choose to give us a short brief on ```` hate, religious bigotry, violence, narrow mindedness and communalism ```` in context with the Tamil situation across the Palk Straits?

Dost-Mitter # 29

Interesting...

(the partition was the result primarily of the three gujeratis - Gandhi, Jinnah and Patel - and an allahabadi Nehru not being able to work out a reasonable compromise between them;
- a south indian, Rajaji, was the first to agree to the partition proposal;)

Khizer hayat`s (from Sargodha) Unionist Party and good old traditional Pathans like Bacha Khan opposed it - the vernacular Urdu media have hounded them since - and even after 56 years, some stigma remains.

The Ulema-e-Hind also opposed it which is now in the shape of MMA. The clever Mullas have not only adopted the cause but given it their very own interpratation.

Punjabis can only be accused of a little short on supply of high culture like the UP/CP wallas. Or not being mentally as sharp as the South Indians.

But they never had to strive as hard like the rest. Plenty of river water and fertile lands got them into the easy mode of Hookas and plenty of lazing around.

They are also simpletons and tend to easily become tools of others - the British pumped them up with titles like the `Warrior` or `Martial Race` and got them slaughtered in the Second world War.

Neatly followed by 65, 71 & Kargil.

#27 by nikki7777

I did not know you will take up the cudgel so fast.

I am with you a 100%.

We south Pakistani (sindhi and Baloch)and South Indians can live peacefully if these punjoos are removed from the middle.
We have had enough of this breed in Pakistan. They are good for nothing. They can’t even fight right. Always get beat.
If we put them away, we can have a united India in no time.

Folks,

WARNING: nikki777 is a troll

Notice how he brought in sikhs/kashmiris to bash.

Any Indian would be foolish to fall for it.

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I noticed that Nikki007 have turned secular.
FEw weeks ago she started by attacking sikhs only.....now she is attacking all Punjabis. wow. what an evolution.

Dear Nikki7777:
I did not want to get into this controversy. Right away, I would grant you that we panjabis are a very emotional people and embrace each other as easily as we cut throats. We are also somewhat of `daggas` (mules) who let other exploit our emotions and lit the fires which make us burn while they enjoy the spectacle. However, others are not blameless. Let me remind you that:
- the riots in India started in Bengal`s Calcutta and were the result of the call of a direct action by a gujerati;
-the partition was the result primarily of the three gujeratis - Gandhi, Jinnah and Patel - and an allahabadi Nehru not being able to work out a reasonable compromise between them;
- a south indian, Rajaji, was the first to agree to the partition proposal;
-the decision to divide panjab was also taken by non-panjabis;
-as stuka pointed out, the wars were not started by panjabis;
-and as far as the regional mess in india is concerned; it all started with a telgu named Romulu undertaking a suicidal fast to divide people along linguistic lines; followed by gujeratis, marathis and others; panjab was the last to be divided on that basis;
-the language fights were started by the hindiwallahs and tamilwallahs; the tamilians went to the extent of immolating themselves to avoid the implementation of the linguistic provisions of the constitution (and we thank you for that!); and
-the first secessionist movement started in the south.

Even at chowk, panjabis are by and large the least hateful posters on the Indian side. On the pakistani side, they are the overwhelming majority of the posters and so are also the majority of hateful posters.

I am sure that you can come up with some examples to prove your point as well. My point is that there is no point in indulging in the blame game. Indians can be proud that they have been able to develop a pan indian identity. You can now get idli and dosa almost everywhere in panjab and you can also find panjabi dhabas all over india including in the south. Let`s celebrate what we have accomplished instead of fighting useless battles. Thanks!

Veeresh,
A beautifully written piece.Though the information in the prologue was a bit too much to digest for me in the first read(:-)), I really enjoyed the opera ka scene n then the ``have u been entered `` joke, (though thoda overkill kar diya aapne usme). The description was very vivid and your enthusiasm of travelling was evident in every line.

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`` The country boat costs 3 rupees. (6 cents). Live ducks in bags travel free, unless they quack, in which case a levy of 50 paise per beak applies, added to the bill. ``

I liked this sentence best, though don`t know what it is doing in this narrative.

As for the rest, I am more interested in what is the next article. I am curious too about people who mysteriously do not sleep on pavements.

I can think of another possible reason, that Pakistan`s undocumented economy is stronger than Pakistan`s documented economy indicates.

If so, hopefully the Army will realise it can take out an even bigger share of the national cake if the economy is bigger, not just with high finance jugglery and Army domination of business interests, but by making a larger number of people productive within the documented economy`s ambit.