Careless Consciences

nooralain #73
``ah! so democracy now means that some of us can demand that our compatriots leave if they dissent. . .now i am more confused than ever. ``
nooralain-
Yes, the freedom of speech should have no exceptions.
(Though there are a few in the constitution,for e.g. you are not allowed to give hateful speeches at times when religious passions are inflamed.)
Its through freedom of speech that you project,deploy and test your ideas,be it as a religious ethnic social group or as an individual,however bizarre they may be.
Its through freedom of speech and interaction that individuals and groups forge their identity in the society and in the nation state.
If we decide to give someone(individual or institution)the right to decide what is correct and what is not,if we decide to give currency to the concept of a moral police, we are venturing on a very tricky path.
The point is that if everybody is given the right of expression and dissent,no matter how they project their identity, the consensus that comes out of such a process would be more just and equitable than otherwise.
The only drawback I see is that bigots, who almost always are on the fringe, seem to bring out the worst in the liberal and progressive people too.
All I can say is that we should always be careful, on chowk, and elsewhere.Hate a person enough and you be like them very soon.

FV writes:
``...most of the titles are self-evident and might reveal what a vile creature I am``.

Huh... now you start sulking ?
You are just a creature who is willing to undermine and abuse the very
system that supports you.

You would love to hive India off , all in the name of Freedom, of course !!
JKLF are great freedom fighters, Arafat is a great freedom fighter - but Gandhi,
the man was a manipulative $%!?......such is your drivel.

It is good if people like you write articles. If more Indians also read what
is printed in the urdu press (both in India and in the land of the pure) then they
will know the kind of enemies that India has within and without.

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bleach must be selling heavily on the market.

nikki: your so-called nationalism is err. . nauseating. india will no doubt survive, come what may. but will you. .thaat eees the question. enjoy while you can. :))

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This article has tackled one issue properly i.e. of Satyendra Dubey. His death was tragic whatever the reason maybe. Even though his murder might not relate to the highway project but still it needs to be investigated how his name was leaked within the Prime Ministers Office.
FV is trying to read too much between the lines of ABVs statements. In the recent election BJP lost quite a number of seats in Gujarat. It might be that ABV was trying raise an issue wheter the lost was due to Modis governing style or not. It seems now Modi and Godhra has become synonyms. So whenever anyone talks about Modi it must be related to Godhra. FV is deeply affected by murder of nearly 2K Muslims.
I dont understand her statement that India is a country of middlemen. I dont know how she came up with that view neither she explains that in her article.
FV was saying in one of her response that she is not prejudice. But I think everyone has some kind of a prejudice. Its human to have that emotions. But from her views about Kashmiri hindus, Bangladeshi hindus, Hindus from marad she seems to be a bigot than just prejudical.
I dont agree to view of Gujjubania but people have to understand that the constitution gives every indian to right to express their view. Be it Togadia, FV or JKLF. They have right to freedom of speech.

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#68 by kaurasach

`` It is like here in USA, one hears a lot against the `Great Satan``. But Pakis and muslims from other countries want to run to and live in the hell of Great Satan. I guess the `heaven` they abandon must be worse than the `hell` they crave. ``

Simply the best description of muslim immigrant ``Conscience``.

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arjun:

you must have been on a break from work! : )

you said: i.e. only people who agree with her writings or have a generally positive opinion about it are intelligent...the rest of us are unworthy....you`re like people who said I should like ``Eyes wide shut`` because it was made by Stanley Kubrik and if I didn`t, it`s cause I wasn`t intelligent enough...

my response: your criticism is noted, but the point is not that you shouldn`t disagree with her writings, but that some of the posters go for the personal attack rather than to argue farzana`s assertions with facts. and i`m sure you`ve done this as well (as have i, no doubt) so you should know.

you said: One person asks her to pack her bags and somehow that characterization extends to everyone who disagrees with her writings? quite a leap....

my response: unless gujjubania is the nick for some other posters here, this has been suggested by more than one person. like you, i read farzana`s articles as well. : )

you said:To the people who live there...It belongs to farzana and gujjubania....gb saying he owns India and farzana should pack her bags is the same as Pakiland saying it owns Indian Kashmir and asking the Indian army to leave...It`s just empty rhetoric and doesn`t amount to a hill of beans...

my response: ahhhhhhh. is that what it is? *ponders*

you said: democracy means the banda has a right to demand whatever he wants......democracy doesn`t mean you don`t have people running red lights...

my response: ah! so democracy now means that some of us can demand that our compatriots leave if they dissent. . .now i am more confused than ever.

you said: It makes gujjubania as bad as the person who threatened the christian, not the rest of us...(as an aside, how do you kill a man and then ask him to go to america?)...

my response: (the man was being told to go to america as he was being beaten. . not after he was killed.)

thank you for not doubting the sincerity of my emotions. as for getting a grip, i have been resisting medication for a long time now. have you been doing the same? :)

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#69

it would be just as frightening and abhorrent as it is with the presence of pakistanis and muslims here.

Urstruly:
You have a point. While I do not visit many websites, some comments I hear during my visits to India are frightening.