Careless Consciences

I was just wondering what this discussion (of Muslism should leave India) might have been like if there were no presence of Pakistanis or Muslims here at this forum.

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Gujjubania

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`` Bibiji..I know India sucks. Isiliye tho kahta hoon ki aap pakistan chale jao. Take your people with you - all 160 million of them ( a la Moses) .``


This is really going over the top...

hmm, omar, and how many people think you`re a genius (besides your mum, and ok, your wife)? just wondering.

Farzana, you have said some shocking things in the past, but you haven`t here. Why on earth, though, are you trying to avoid what you said? I hope you`re embarassed, it was just wrong about the Kashmiri Pandits creating problems for themselves. They are human beings too, you know.

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rajsinghi:
```` He is not running the coalition; he did not choose his cabinet;

Pray on what is based the second (bold part) statement? ``

I am not privy to any info. not in public domain. My statement is based on several reportsd that have come out in the Indian media. The division of cabinet slots, according to these reports, was based on discussions among Sonia, Laloo, Karunanidhi, Surjeet, etc.

some questions for those who attack farzana ad nauseam:

1) do you actually read her articles? or do you just read whatever suits you between the lines?

2) if you do read her articles, are you capable of comprehending what it is she is talking about? i was under the impression there were intelligent folk here at chowk, but the most ridiculous responses come from `educated professionals.`

3) is there pluralism in india, or is there not? this whole naara of secular and democratic baffles me personally. if there is pluralism in india then for goodness sakes, is dissent not possible? or are you all like indian `bots`? you don`t like what farzana has to write, you feel you have the right and the obligation to disagree with that (rather cursorily and sickeningly, i add), but farzana writes and some of you tell her to pack up her bags and exit india? which brings up a whole other set of questions:

a) who does india truly belong to? or rather who truly belongs in india?

b) why is a person, or persons who bemoan the massacre of sikhs, and one of its proponents being in the cabinet now suggesting that india be cleansed of its `160 muslims` by their going to pakistan? wouldn`t a democratic banda living in a democratic country encourage its thriving muslim population to stay? and you question farzana`s hypocrisy??

c) what is the point in continually trying to prove how much better you are than your `pathetic` neighbors across the border, and tout your democracy and poohpooh on pakistan`s autocracy and dictatorship, when some of you make ridiculous statements such as `leave my country.` how does that make you any better than certain pakistanis who bludgeon a christian man to death and tell him to go to amreeka because he just happens to be christian. (and that did happen, a few years back)

these questions are coming to you from an outsider. and i understand that some of you have little to no tolerance for outsiders, but as an outsider, a musafir, wherever i go, i cannot help but wonder what this is all about. what makes a `patriot`? what makes one person`s opinion so dangerous, or so wrong that people rush to impugn things on her personal life? to make assumptions that don`t exist? to act badly in this movie called `being farzana versey`, and all pretending to know what`s going on in her mind. which leads me to my final question. how the hell are you such clairvoyants that you would know what is going on in her mind? would that the great rabb grant me such clairvoyancy when it comes to everyone and i would be mistress of the universe and all i survey.

farzana is an indian. she is NOT a pakistani. she doesn`t measure what she sees in india by comparing it to what is happening in pakistan, or the plight of anyone and everyone these days in pakistan. and as someone who`s been told time and time again in various ways that i don`t belong here, or there, i find it rather disturbing that this immature ad nauseam attack continues. and she has her own shortcomings. try not to project and fling your shortcomings on to her. (pun not intended?!)

apologies for the interruption.
n~

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gujjubania,
who gave you the right to decide who lives in India?The India you refer to as yours belongs as much to Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and every other minority as ``````US`````` hindu`s. i grew up in a devout hindu family where i was taught that the message of God is love, not hate. i guess you never read any scripture. all you seem to have read is the mindless political propoganda of self serving politicians who claim to represent your interests.
any indian who goes against the constitution of india is a criminal. are you? because our constitution holds the rights of every citizen of this country equal. let our generation reject this partisan division of people on the basis of caste, religion and class. look at countries like malaysia that have devloped rapidly purely because there is extreme intolerance to communalosm, irrespective of who the perpetrator of the crime is.
lets change the world. we have the power to do it.

nikki boy its seems im not the only one who thinks you`re a moron :)

#30, #38, #50 by rahul_capri

Don`t get me wrong, but understanding the writer`s background *is* rather important because it helps one understand the underlying motivation, biases and prejudices behind what he/she writes.

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nikki7777, you accuse northies of hate, but you sound too full of hate yourself man. take it easy. old man vajpayee has some explaining to do clearly. he claims the high moral ground everytime, but his partymen go on the rampage thriving on the politics of hate and divide. think about it. even today when the whole country realises that the economy can not bear the rising oil prices, the bjp is putting up a charade for the cause of cheap media publicity. politics is about policies...vajpayee needs to clarify his.
as for your vitriolic and vituperative diatribes, people like need to learn that the courtesy of allowing people their opinions and influencing them through healthy debate is what culture is all about. South india is rich with culture, learn some of that dewd.

why aren`t Pakistanis interacting at this board.