Careless Consciences

This discussion has again got into the same hole it invariably does. It happened on my `Murder on Helm Street` board and went on and on...

rahul_capri:

I know they are trying hard to get you to see my `real` side...considering they do it all the time, there is only a real me all the time. However, as you well know, there is nothing hidden, and and as far as I concerned, nothing even sought to be hidden. If you are interested in what the others are pointing out to you, then you just click on my writer name (not interactor name) and you will see the list of articles...most of the titles are self-evident and might reveal what a vile creature I am.

If you are further interested in the issue of my views on militancy and Bamiyan statues, there was a long-drawn out discussion on the `Murder...` board. http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00003304&channel=civic%20center&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1.

Since I do not want a repeat performance here and most certainly do not wish to get into arguments, and yet not be cavalier towards a person who might be interested, my posts 160-164,397,485,497 reveal my thoughts.

More later...

nikki,

You really are out there...but you speak the truth about South Indians. And North Indians for that matter...I myself am a Northie, and I`ll vouche for you on this one point. We`re one whacked people.

However, given the way you speak, I highly doubt you`re a southie. Boy, I say boy...you got to much of the shit in the brains to be from the south, if you know what I mean...pay attention to me when Ah`m talkin to ya son...

gawd, nikki is so out there and lost beyond space, one doesn`t know whether to bring him back, or just leave him there.

Ralph
``With due reverence, I find your arguments extremely simplistic and unconvincing. ``
Yes, i do tend tend to keep things simple. Tunnel vision. Works for me.
``But since I do not spend time arguing with those who do not pose a threat to humanity, we would agree to disagree.``
That was funny. Yes, we should agree to disagree .We are ending up wasting more time and energy than I intended to save.
Arjun, that link is not working.Could you post it again,please?
Kaurasach
``The background is very important.`` Depends on how you take it. Her so called ``agenda,intent and thought process`` wont affect me if i choose not to become obsessed with them.As for the facts and opinions that she puts across the table,I trust myself enough to evaluate them without any context.

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rahul_capri # 38

With due reverence, I find your arguments extremely simplistic and unconvincing. But since I do not spend time arguing with those who do not pose a threat to humanity, we would agree to disagree.

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Thanks, Arjun # 35. There is no greater enemy of darkness than objective, factual information. Now, it will be fun to see the usual desperate attempts at laughable and ludicrous `contextualization.`

arjun

There was a beautiful and very moving post from Farzana about the minorities in Kashmir. She had asked that if Kashmiriyat was important to them (Sikhs and Hindus), why didn`t they stay on, or return to Kashmir?

If its not too much trouble, see if you can let her enlighten all of us once again. Thanks in anticipation.

As a person of Backward caste and free from the ``prejudices`` attributed to Hindu religion zealots, I used to have open mind about my relationship with my fellow muslim citizens. We lived in Afzal gunj and Gowlipura areas of Hyderabad during my adolescent years. After closely witnessing the actions of muslims through my teenage years I started questioning their collective ``Conscience`` ( Hint: Extremely violent religious riots and the subsequent actions of Muslim community leaders such as Sallahuddin Owaisi and Amanullah Khan). I am sorry to say that I am yet to get a satisfying answer on their ``Conscience``.

Looking at my report card my father scolded me once ...... `` You Idiot! You cannot justify your worse marks by pointing to someone else`s worse marks ``. Since then, my shudra background did not influence my report cards.

arjun_m, Ralph-
As I told you before, I really am not interested in FVs POV. Besides, I am new to chowk so I have not read her older articles, specifically the one you are referring to. Perhaps you would have protested on what she had said then, and rightly so. Blast her on that board, I would join you.
This does not take away from the fact that she can make valid points from time to time.
Ralph,
``That is a mistake. Acts of omission are often more potent than acts of commission, particularly when one is in the know. ``
I am not concerned about FVs karma either, neither should you be.
``Further, it occurred to me, that you and I can`t really raise issues of Muslim conscience.``
I questioned the attitude of muslims towards the sanctity of Quran on the board ``The Secularity of India`` .
Go and take a look. Noone , I repeat not a single person, abused me.
I will not deny that I expected some sort of abuse when I posted. But it was my misconception.Perhaps it was because my attitude was not of irreverence and hatred but of analysis.The issue that I am a Hindu raising this issue did not bother me, nor it did anybody else on chowk. If again the discussion veers towards this topic, I will raise this issue again. If i feel more passionately, I may write an article too about it.
``While commenting on a FV article, don`t you think her positions based on her own posts is relevant?``
If she posts something here that you feel objectionable ,attack her. But if you are always going to talk about something that has left an indelible image of FV in your mind, you are getting into the way of a constructive discussion that can be had on the valid points that she
has made. There has to be some distinguishing line between people and ideas.

Dost Mittar

Ref: post#16

Quote:

`` He is not running the coalition; he did not choose his cabinet;

Pray on what is based the second (bold part) statement?

No, I will not ask questions like whether you are privy to what/how it has been done. Not at all. Your own word would be good enough for me if you say, you know for fact that Shree Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of India, has not chosen his own cabinet.



Oh, I must say I do have a follow up question, in the event of your responding.

By the way, I am not challenging or being sarcastic .....