Farzana Versey June 15, 2004
#37 Posted by jang on June 16, 2004 1:21:14 pm
Celina Jaitley, soon after winning the Miss Universe title, had said at a felicitation ceremony, “Last night I had no idea what the title would bring for me. But when I was at the Mumbai airport, a victim of the (Gujarat) earthquake, with both legs broken, came up to me somehow, and said, ‘You are Miss India. What can you do for me?’ I could barely hold back my tears and it was then that I realised the awesome responsibility that lay ahead of me.”
ouch. all this when a true sympathiser is available in person to all qualified victims in Taj Cofee shop.
ouch. all this when a true sympathiser is available in person to all qualified victims in Taj Cofee shop.
#36 Posted by rajsinghi1 on June 16, 2004 1:21:14 pm
Dost Mittar
Ref: post#16
Quote:
`` He is not running the coalition; he did not choose his cabinet;
Pray on what is based the second (bold part) statement?
No, I will not ask questions like whether you are privy to what/how it has been done. Not at all. Your own word would be good enough for me if you say, you know for fact that Shree Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of India, has not chosen his own cabinet.
Oh, I must say I do have a follow up question, in the event of your responding. However, that question would have nothing to do with your word. Once you say you know, that would be sufficient.
By the way, I am not challenging or being sarcastic .....
Ref: post#16
Quote:
`` He is not running the coalition; he did not choose his cabinet;
Pray on what is based the second (bold part) statement?
No, I will not ask questions like whether you are privy to what/how it has been done. Not at all. Your own word would be good enough for me if you say, you know for fact that Shree Manmohan Singh, Prime Minister of India, has not chosen his own cabinet.
Oh, I must say I do have a follow up question, in the event of your responding. However, that question would have nothing to do with your word. Once you say you know, that would be sufficient.
By the way, I am not challenging or being sarcastic .....
#35 Posted by Ralph on June 16, 2004 12:21:52 pm
rahul_capri # 30
That is a mistake. Acts of omission are often more potent than acts of commission, particularly when one is in the know.
About FV, she has not even neglected the issue of Kashmiri refugees of Sikh and Hindu faith. She has taken an active and clear stand.
That is a mistake. Acts of omission are often more potent than acts of commission, particularly when one is in the know.
About FV, she has not even neglected the issue of Kashmiri refugees of Sikh and Hindu faith. She has taken an active and clear stand.
#34 Posted by arjun_m on June 16, 2004 12:21:52 pm
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#33 Posted by Ralph on June 16, 2004 12:21:52 pm
rahul
Further, it occurred to me, that you and I can`t really raise issues of Muslim conscience. Those of us who point such things out know what we have to put up with from Islamists and all kinds of pseudo-Islamists. More politically-correct or people with weaker backbones simply give up.
So here is the rub. FV goes to town doing hai-hai about everyone else`s conscience, but is completely silent about her own. In fact, the Muslim response is to attack you the moment you open your mouth. Quite a heads-I-win, tails-you-lose position of selective conscience keeping by the Islamic community.
Further, it occurred to me, that you and I can`t really raise issues of Muslim conscience. Those of us who point such things out know what we have to put up with from Islamists and all kinds of pseudo-Islamists. More politically-correct or people with weaker backbones simply give up.
So here is the rub. FV goes to town doing hai-hai about everyone else`s conscience, but is completely silent about her own. In fact, the Muslim response is to attack you the moment you open your mouth. Quite a heads-I-win, tails-you-lose position of selective conscience keeping by the Islamic community.
#32 Posted by arjun_m on June 16, 2004 12:21:52 pm
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#31 Posted by dost_mittar on June 16, 2004 11:32:55 am
Ralph:
``It is impossible to take part in such discussions without getting to the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter is that those fleeing BD hold no interest for FV, Palestinians do.``
I will believe it when FV says so!
``It is impossible to take part in such discussions without getting to the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter is that those fleeing BD hold no interest for FV, Palestinians do.``
I will believe it when FV says so!
#30 Posted by rahul_capri on June 16, 2004 11:13:13 am
Ralph #27
The issues you have raised are correct.
But something I fail to understand is why should FV be criticised on the issues she is not raising?
Criticise her on the issues that she is raising and then raise issues that you feel passionately about,yourself.
``The heart of the matter is that those fleeing BD hold no interest for FV, Palestinians do.``
The heart of the matter is not FVs POV,the heart of the matter is the issues she has raised.
She may be a potential suicide bomber in her real life, for all I care.
The issues you have raised are correct.
But something I fail to understand is why should FV be criticised on the issues she is not raising?
Criticise her on the issues that she is raising and then raise issues that you feel passionately about,yourself.
``The heart of the matter is that those fleeing BD hold no interest for FV, Palestinians do.``
The heart of the matter is not FVs POV,the heart of the matter is the issues she has raised.
She may be a potential suicide bomber in her real life, for all I care.
#29 Posted by Ralph on June 16, 2004 10:54:42 am
Dost-Mittar # 17
It is impossible to take part in such discussions without getting to the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter is that those fleeing BD hold no interest for FV, Palestinians do.
Her stand on those Sikhs and Hindus who fled Kashmir is also well-known. They, walked away, she has written, in order to defame their Muslim brothers. Kashmiriyat, it seems, was not important for them. In this whole game of defaming Muslims and Islam, Jagmohan supposedly played the key role. He provided free tickets, and Sikhs and Hindus made good use of those tickets.
It is impossible to take part in such discussions without getting to the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter is that those fleeing BD hold no interest for FV, Palestinians do.
Her stand on those Sikhs and Hindus who fled Kashmir is also well-known. They, walked away, she has written, in order to defame their Muslim brothers. Kashmiriyat, it seems, was not important for them. In this whole game of defaming Muslims and Islam, Jagmohan supposedly played the key role. He provided free tickets, and Sikhs and Hindus made good use of those tickets.
#28 Posted by Ralph on June 16, 2004 10:54:42 am
Inner Conscience or Outer. Where Is It?
There has been a lot of discussion of conscience.
In these discussions, one conscience has been completely missing. Unless this conscience shows up at the table, other consciences are little more than politically correct nothings.
This conscience should ask: What is so deeply wrong with Muslims or Islam that led to the barbaric burning of close to 60 people in Godhra? Why do they think they should get away with such massacres even in countries in which they are a minority? What steps should Muslims take or what changes should be made in Islam that such acts are not repeated?
If any non Muslim sees a ghost of this conscience, share the news with us. It will do everyone a lot of good.
There has been a lot of discussion of conscience.
In these discussions, one conscience has been completely missing. Unless this conscience shows up at the table, other consciences are little more than politically correct nothings.
This conscience should ask: What is so deeply wrong with Muslims or Islam that led to the barbaric burning of close to 60 people in Godhra? Why do they think they should get away with such massacres even in countries in which they are a minority? What steps should Muslims take or what changes should be made in Islam that such acts are not repeated?
If any non Muslim sees a ghost of this conscience, share the news with us. It will do everyone a lot of good.
#27 Posted by rahul_capri on June 16, 2004 10:54:42 am
arjun_m, satyamvada I take it that your articles on Bamiyan Buddhas and Bangladeshi Hindus respectively have been rejected by chowk?
#26 Posted by nooralain on June 16, 2004 10:06:29 am
there`s no accounting for intelligence with some of you stalkers is there?
#25 Posted by satyamvada on June 16, 2004 9:45:50 am
If anything it is the likes of FV who are the biggest bigots and supporters of the
islamic terrorists.
Her heart bleeds for the palestinians - but does not care to know about butchery
of Hindus in Bangladesh !! This is because of your support for the ``Ummah``
You want to exercise the freedoms that India offers to undermine India by
supporting the JKLF and jihad against India,
Why dont you move to Palestine to help your ummah brethren ?
FV writes:
``but let us not get into this claptrap about whose suffering is worse. ``
Of course you would not be interested in this because people of your ilk are
the perpetrators of the most genocidal actions. You are a parasite
living off the freedom that India offers. Of course you will claim your rights
(as does every terrorist also) without the corresponding responsibilities, honesty
and integrity.
People like you are beneath contempt.
#24 Posted by arjun_m on June 16, 2004 9:45:50 am
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#23 Posted by rahul_capri on June 16, 2004 8:13:31 am
FV #14
``Unfortunately, we have short memories. Who is going to remember Dubey?``
Has anyone forgotten Safdar Hashmi?
Thats where people like you come in to play.
stuka #4
Quoting from Dushyant Kumar
``aaj ye diivaar pardo.n kii tarah hilane lagii
shart lekin thii ki buniyaad hilnii chaahiye``
``Unfortunately, we have short memories. Who is going to remember Dubey?``
Has anyone forgotten Safdar Hashmi?
Thats where people like you come in to play.
stuka #4
Quoting from Dushyant Kumar
``aaj ye diivaar pardo.n kii tarah hilane lagii
shart lekin thii ki buniyaad hilnii chaahiye``
#22 Posted by sadna on June 16, 2004 7:27:57 am
Farzana #14
Glad to know you are fine.
Re Satyendra Dubey, even if his murder was indeed robbery or is being covered up as robbery, there are still 2 aspects remaining, over which the government needs to continue to be confronted:
1. The National Highway Authority corruption outlined in his letter
2. The fact that PMO gave out his identity though he had requested otherwise
There are still these causes to be fought in his name, though those really responsible for his tragic death might go unpunished. So far the media and various IIT-connected organisations have made a big noise and they need to continue making a big noise.
Also wanted to comment on this
``What is the PM of the country doing looking at resumes to select secretaries to the government? ``
Isn`t this a healthy trend being set by Dr Singh. Instead of choosing all his bureacrats solely on based those who made the effort to curry political favor with him or Congress in the past years, he is giving a larger pool of bureacrats a fair chance based on their experience, interest and talents.
btw, there was this article about how 4 of his topmost officials whom he chose from past association are Mallus. After getting only one ministerial berth, at last some Mallus in high places :).
Glad to know you are fine.
Re Satyendra Dubey, even if his murder was indeed robbery or is being covered up as robbery, there are still 2 aspects remaining, over which the government needs to continue to be confronted:
1. The National Highway Authority corruption outlined in his letter
2. The fact that PMO gave out his identity though he had requested otherwise
There are still these causes to be fought in his name, though those really responsible for his tragic death might go unpunished. So far the media and various IIT-connected organisations have made a big noise and they need to continue making a big noise.
Also wanted to comment on this
``What is the PM of the country doing looking at resumes to select secretaries to the government? ``
Isn`t this a healthy trend being set by Dr Singh. Instead of choosing all his bureacrats solely on based those who made the effort to curry political favor with him or Congress in the past years, he is giving a larger pool of bureacrats a fair chance based on their experience, interest and talents.
btw, there was this article about how 4 of his topmost officials whom he chose from past association are Mallus. After getting only one ministerial berth, at last some Mallus in high places :).
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