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Ralph
``With due reverence, I find your arguments extremely simplistic and unconvincing. ``
Yes, i do tend tend to keep things simple. Tunnel vision. Works for me.
``But since I do not spend time arguing with those who do not pose a threat to humanity, we would agree to disagree.``
That was funny. Yes, we should agree to disagree .We are ending up wasting more time and energy than I intended to save.
Arjun, that link is not working.Could you post it again,please?
Kaurasach
``The background is very important.`` Depends on how you take it. Her so called ``agenda,intent and thought process`` wont affect me if i choose not to become obsessed with them.As for the facts and opinions that she puts across the table,I trust myself enough to evaluate them without any context.

gawd, nikki is so out there and lost beyond space, one doesn`t know whether to bring him back, or just leave him there.

nikki,

You really are out there...but you speak the truth about South Indians. And North Indians for that matter...I myself am a Northie, and I`ll vouche for you on this one point. We`re one whacked people.

However, given the way you speak, I highly doubt you`re a southie. Boy, I say boy...you got to much of the shit in the brains to be from the south, if you know what I mean...pay attention to me when Ah`m talkin to ya son...

This discussion has again got into the same hole it invariably does. It happened on my `Murder on Helm Street` board and went on and on...

rahul_capri:

I know they are trying hard to get you to see my `real` side...considering they do it all the time, there is only a real me all the time. However, as you well know, there is nothing hidden, and and as far as I concerned, nothing even sought to be hidden. If you are interested in what the others are pointing out to you, then you just click on my writer name (not interactor name) and you will see the list of articles...most of the titles are self-evident and might reveal what a vile creature I am.

If you are further interested in the issue of my views on militancy and Bamiyan statues, there was a long-drawn out discussion on the `Murder...` board. http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00003304&channel=civic%20center&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1.

Since I do not want a repeat performance here and most certainly do not wish to get into arguments, and yet not be cavalier towards a person who might be interested, my posts 160-164,397,485,497 reveal my thoughts.

More later...

why aren`t Pakistanis interacting at this board.

nikki7777, you accuse northies of hate, but you sound too full of hate yourself man. take it easy. old man vajpayee has some explaining to do clearly. he claims the high moral ground everytime, but his partymen go on the rampage thriving on the politics of hate and divide. think about it. even today when the whole country realises that the economy can not bear the rising oil prices, the bjp is putting up a charade for the cause of cheap media publicity. politics is about policies...vajpayee needs to clarify his.
as for your vitriolic and vituperative diatribes, people like need to learn that the courtesy of allowing people their opinions and influencing them through healthy debate is what culture is all about. South india is rich with culture, learn some of that dewd.

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#30, #38, #50 by rahul_capri

Don`t get me wrong, but understanding the writer`s background *is* rather important because it helps one understand the underlying motivation, biases and prejudices behind what he/she writes.

nikki boy its seems im not the only one who thinks you`re a moron :)

gujjubania,
who gave you the right to decide who lives in India?The India you refer to as yours belongs as much to Muslims, Sikhs, Christians and every other minority as ``````US`````` hindu`s. i grew up in a devout hindu family where i was taught that the message of God is love, not hate. i guess you never read any scripture. all you seem to have read is the mindless political propoganda of self serving politicians who claim to represent your interests.
any indian who goes against the constitution of india is a criminal. are you? because our constitution holds the rights of every citizen of this country equal. let our generation reject this partisan division of people on the basis of caste, religion and class. look at countries like malaysia that have devloped rapidly purely because there is extreme intolerance to communalosm, irrespective of who the perpetrator of the crime is.
lets change the world. we have the power to do it.

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some questions for those who attack farzana ad nauseam:

1) do you actually read her articles? or do you just read whatever suits you between the lines?

2) if you do read her articles, are you capable of comprehending what it is she is talking about? i was under the impression there were intelligent folk here at chowk, but the most ridiculous responses come from `educated professionals.`

3) is there pluralism in india, or is there not? this whole naara of secular and democratic baffles me personally. if there is pluralism in india then for goodness sakes, is dissent not possible? or are you all like indian `bots`? you don`t like what farzana has to write, you feel you have the right and the obligation to disagree with that (rather cursorily and sickeningly, i add), but farzana writes and some of you tell her to pack up her bags and exit india? which brings up a whole other set of questions:

a) who does india truly belong to? or rather who truly belongs in india?

b) why is a person, or persons who bemoan the massacre of sikhs, and one of its proponents being in the cabinet now suggesting that india be cleansed of its `160 muslims` by their going to pakistan? wouldn`t a democratic banda living in a democratic country encourage its thriving muslim population to stay? and you question farzana`s hypocrisy??

c) what is the point in continually trying to prove how much better you are than your `pathetic` neighbors across the border, and tout your democracy and poohpooh on pakistan`s autocracy and dictatorship, when some of you make ridiculous statements such as `leave my country.` how does that make you any better than certain pakistanis who bludgeon a christian man to death and tell him to go to amreeka because he just happens to be christian. (and that did happen, a few years back)

these questions are coming to you from an outsider. and i understand that some of you have little to no tolerance for outsiders, but as an outsider, a musafir, wherever i go, i cannot help but wonder what this is all about. what makes a `patriot`? what makes one person`s opinion so dangerous, or so wrong that people rush to impugn things on her personal life? to make assumptions that don`t exist? to act badly in this movie called `being farzana versey`, and all pretending to know what`s going on in her mind. which leads me to my final question. how the hell are you such clairvoyants that you would know what is going on in her mind? would that the great rabb grant me such clairvoyancy when it comes to everyone and i would be mistress of the universe and all i survey.

farzana is an indian. she is NOT a pakistani. she doesn`t measure what she sees in india by comparing it to what is happening in pakistan, or the plight of anyone and everyone these days in pakistan. and as someone who`s been told time and time again in various ways that i don`t belong here, or there, i find it rather disturbing that this immature ad nauseam attack continues. and she has her own shortcomings. try not to project and fling your shortcomings on to her. (pun not intended?!)

apologies for the interruption.
n~

rajsinghi:
```` He is not running the coalition; he did not choose his cabinet;

Pray on what is based the second (bold part) statement? ``

I am not privy to any info. not in public domain. My statement is based on several reportsd that have come out in the Indian media. The division of cabinet slots, according to these reports, was based on discussions among Sonia, Laloo, Karunanidhi, Surjeet, etc.

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