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FV writes:
``...most of the titles are self-evident and might reveal what a vile creature I am``.

Huh... now you start sulking ?
You are just a creature who is willing to undermine and abuse the very
system that supports you.

You would love to hive India off , all in the name of Freedom, of course !!
JKLF are great freedom fighters, Arafat is a great freedom fighter - but Gandhi,
the man was a manipulative $%!?......such is your drivel.

It is good if people like you write articles. If more Indians also read what
is printed in the urdu press (both in India and in the land of the pure) then they
will know the kind of enemies that India has within and without.

nooralain #73
``ah! so democracy now means that some of us can demand that our compatriots leave if they dissent. . .now i am more confused than ever. ``
nooralain-
Yes, the freedom of speech should have no exceptions.
(Though there are a few in the constitution,for e.g. you are not allowed to give hateful speeches at times when religious passions are inflamed.)
Its through freedom of speech that you project,deploy and test your ideas,be it as a religious ethnic social group or as an individual,however bizarre they may be.
Its through freedom of speech and interaction that individuals and groups forge their identity in the society and in the nation state.
If we decide to give someone(individual or institution)the right to decide what is correct and what is not,if we decide to give currency to the concept of a moral police, we are venturing on a very tricky path.
The point is that if everybody is given the right of expression and dissent,no matter how they project their identity, the consensus that comes out of such a process would be more just and equitable than otherwise.
The only drawback I see is that bigots, who almost always are on the fringe, seem to bring out the worst in the liberal and progressive people too.
All I can say is that we should always be careful, on chowk, and elsewhere.Hate a person enough and you be like them very soon.

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Nikki & Kaurasach

Bravo!!!! Well done guys. Please do continue slinging mud at each other this is making BOTH of you look very good right now.

I will let you in on a secret. The more both of you engage in and argue mindlessly like you are doing now, the stupider you both look. As opposed to someone ``winning`` this one, you guys are BOTH losing ground here -- rapidly. People will start ignoring your posts out of boredom. You don`t want that to happen to you now do you?

Can I make a suggestion? I want both of you to focus on ``Paki Bashing`` :-) That is infinitely more fun I assure you. All you have to do is write two sentences and provide a link that paints the Pakis in a poor light -- fortunately for us, that is a ``target rich environment`` right now --and Omar`s hyper inflated ego will do the rest...it is so easy... then sit back, relax and watch him implode....best entertainment on the web.

Watch and learn from Arjun -- who has made this into an art form....

oh, for heaven`s sake.
Nikki is just annoyed because punjabis get all excited about other Punjabis in Pakistan. It`s not the end of the world. Only one thing can happen from eating too many stuffed parathas, and I woul prefer not to go into that. He`s harmless.

FV Wrote:
`` I am absolutely certain that is not the answer. The Indian Muslims stayed here despite being offered some kind of Utopia. They felt and feel an allegiance; you could call it roots, you could call it confusion, you could call it a choice, but it was most certainly not opportunism. Therefore, all they expect is to be treated as equal citizens and I do feel they should be as responsible citizens as anyone else...but there are shirkers from all communities present. ``

This is nothing but unadultratred crap !. The overwhelming number of muslims
voted for the partition. That many stayed back is more a reflection of their inability
to move for various reasons.
Infact there were people like Maulana Azad (who is presented as a great Indian patriot)
and other mullahs (who are presently the MMA party in Pakistan) who did not want
Partition.
Unfortunately, in India, we are only told that many Muslims opposed partition - but
we are not told why ?
The reason was that the Mullahs felt that if a partition was made then it would be hard
for them to make India a dar-ul-islam. That is the reason why they did not want
partition - not because of any special love for India !!

But then such facts are uncomfortable. What I do find impressive about
FV is her ability to play the part of a victim and blame others.

Also look how she implies that even though Muslims voted to stay in India they
are not being treated failry. Thus putting the whole blame on others !!
There is no introspection, no thought of why there is not much importance paid
to education, no constructive thinking at all - instead blame someone else
and always be the victim.
(Note: This is exactly what most of the Arab world and Pakis also do.)

Of course, all Indians should have the same rights, responsibilities and opportunities.
One should not sit around waiting for things to be handed out on a platter. One tries
to get an education and tries to make the best out of any opportunity.
But then, we would not need the professional whiners.

Dost Mittar

Post#63

Thanks for the reply.

I did say, there is/would be a follow up question. :)

Now, is there any democracy, including US where an elected President/PM/head of govt can have cabinet completely of his/her own choice/desire? Or is it being said that push, shoves, lobbies do not take place in other administratons when forming a cabinet, and those lobbies/interests are not obliged/taken care of? Well, degree may vary but overall basics are not that different.

Recall, almost similar things were said during N Rao`s tenure too.

what.. madrass regiment is a fighting unit? i thought madrassis are all in EME fixing carburators! did not know.

anyways, the south-north stuff is most entertaining.

Q: why did the mallyali cross the road?
Ans: Tsimbhly

i just luv stereotypes, specially the poignant (read mean).
please everyone participate in the melee..much more fun than discussing this article.

anyways, there seems to be a reversal in migration trends. no more going to Delhi and settling in Minto Road hostels or RK puram while working for govt of india for southies. now its the panjabis flooding to south, stopping in the way in pune or nagpur for an MCA degree.

so now southies are seeing panjabis in their home turf kind of for the first time.

Rahul_Capri

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`` Yes, the freedom of speech should have no exceptions. (Though there are a few in the constitution,for e.g. you are not allowed to give hateful speeches at times when religious passions are inflamed.) ``

I think, there is a verdict or statement of a US Supreme Court Justice which goes like, ``You/one cannot shout fire in a crowded cinema hall``. This was one of the cases/examples to show freedom of speech is cannot be abused or certain limitations are very much there, by one of the Chief Justices, IIRC

Above is merely to inform than anything else.

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People have no problem when Pakistanis declare that Indian Muslims consider Pakistan to be their last hope and that Indian Muslims share Pakistan`s POV on J&K. People have a problem only if an Indian says it. Why? Make up your minds which it is, please.

gujjubania makes such gratuitously rude and racist remarks because he is rude and racist, but also because he has absolutely no arguments left. The economy has not tanked yet as he predicted, meanwhile BJP has not been able to completely reconcile with defeat and define for itself its future path. So as a person who thought that BJP was indispensible , he is frustrated out of his mind.

Instead of making braindead suggestions about mass migrations, gujjubania should concentrate on thinking of how BJP can be a strong and constructive opposition, because that is what India desperately needs from BJP.

Other people here will feel less riled up if they only took the trouble to stick to the topic at hand.