Origins of Hijab

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Urstruly you sound so cute giving veiled threats of eternal damnation to others... last resort for religous types really... no wonder rationality cannot work under those kind of threats and submission creeps in the heart of righteous souls before it is too late...

peace.

Hello

All this ranting about evil Hijab by non Hijabis is like a virgin narrating the details of how it feels to have an orgasm. It is just not valid.
As a Hijabi, I hereby declare all the posts except mine to be invalid, irrational, insane, biased, etc.

Phew, now lets hear it for some faizahussain bashing folks:)

Sincerely
Faiza Hussain

nooralain #110
That`s what I`ve been guessing for a while - that this is a place where people who know each other from elsewhere want to continue their private conversations without interruption. Chalo, no sweat.

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Atif Sahib
Lets not digress any further. How about we call in a virgin who has made her hands useful in that arena and question her because I wouldnt know:)
Take care and sorry folks for the digression. But then again, not like most of us were staying on the topic to begin with;)

Faiza Hussain

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Dear Freethinker: Thank you for sharing your candid views on a controversial subject. Please do contribute something on the lines of ``Introspection & Freethinking`` in future. Best Regards.

Urstruly: Thank you for validating my point that a muslim man`s view has little or no bearing on life threatening matters. I am so glad that you were around to prove my point :)

#110: Despite being rough on the edges, you do have a good sense of humor! Please keep it up.

For anyone interested, there will be a discussion on cbc radio (cbc.ca, click on radio live, toronto, cbc one) on introducing sharia in ontario at 12 noon today.

hamidm:
`` ............ why do we have to be respectful of an obviously silly thing like faith ?``

I think that we agreed to make a distinction between individual faith and political creed; faith can perform miracle in people`s lives; I sometimes wish that I was blessed with it. I am not but can still get my spiritual kicks out of devotional music which I love, especially at dargahs.

# 119: [My intent was not to attack you but to somehow use ``shock therapy`` to bring to attention my point that making matter-of-fact blanket statements about as grand a thing as a religion followed by billions of people is not a trivial thing. ]

No worries. None of your responses were taken in a negative stride. You are certainly entitled to your perspective. My apologies for considering you in your pre-teens. You are certainly in your post teens :)

[Muslims have a lot more to look into than wrapping themselves in the confines of a scarf. It does not mean that the appropriate chapters/surahs do not hold much weight. Ironically, crimes happen where women are wrapped. Rapes take place where women wear dupattas/shawls/chadors. Debauchery and lies are preached and religiously practiced in countries claiming to have roots based on the principles of Islam. If you review the lay of the land, it`s like reading a comic strip. In my view, wherever men are weak, unbalanced and insecure, women will have to bear the brunt. ]

So, what I did not say and have to spell out: In order to have a well balanced environment anywhere in the world, you need to have a plan. From that plan, you must prioritize the most important and the least important tasks. I do get ticked off when I find all concentration and energies being spent on the concept of hijab when in different parts of the world both Muslims and Non-Muslims are getting beheaded by other Muslims. I gave a few examples to illustrate my point but then I am not in the habit of jotting down the nitty gritty details. I understand that I would run into audience who holds completely different perspectives and comprehension. And, that`s fine.

My previous remark that created a havoc was not a blanket statement. It was a harsh assessment. Probably, at times my practical side is taken over by the perfectionist and idealist in me. It does not mean that religion is bad or the practitioners are god forbid insane. I am no one to make such sweeping remarks.

To your point that human rights` violations take place in other countries and faiths is very true. But the topic under discussion did not invite a comparison study. When you are bleeding yourself should you care to look outside or get yourself a band-aid? I understand there are different answers to this questions and each person will adopt a different route.

[I still think you are a good person who seems to have the quest to know the ``truth`` - whatever that may be. ]

Thank you for farsightedness :)

Sadna: Thanks for being on the same page. Regards.

atif #113 I think you can walk around in your birthday suit with WSJ in your armpt and wearing a pugree in your house even today without needing any change in laws. Some fine print applies (e.g. keep curtains closed so neighbors wife doesnt report a hairy chimpanzee reading WSJ in the neighbor`s house). You dont even need to claim that your faith requires you to do so.
What hamidm referred to was doing the same in public. Religious beliefs, like one`s rear end, are personal matters. Put another way, as Ron Reagan Jr said at his father`s eulogy, you dont wear religion on your sleeve.

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fazia:

[All this ranting about evil Hijab by non Hijabis is like a virgin narrating the details of how it feels to have an orgasm. It is just not valid.
As a Hijabi, I hereby declare all the posts except mine to be invalid, irrational, insane, biased, etc. ]


I second the motion.

Why are so many Muslims (and nonMuslims for that matter) discussing whether or not to wear a hijab or its genesis? I don`t see too many Christians arguing about whether or not women actually have to keep silent in Church (as per St. Paul`s diktat). They`ve got better things to do with their time and as long as we waste our time trying to recreate Nizam-e-Mustafa on earth, we are going to remain dirt poor and backwards.

Anyone want to debate tax policy? OR the private spaceflight? Or cold fusion? Or something else remotely useful and interesting?

``Mr. Hamidm, you find a naked man walking around with wsj in his arm and a hijabi woman equally offensive. Well said!

So the thing is that I find this bible / old testament derived notion of covering your genitals in public VERY offensive.`` (Atif)

I agree.....covering ur genitals in public on a Nudist beach WILL be VERY offensive.....

covering head and covering genitals are not two different things.....its not like comparing `pears and oranges`....depends upon location...... if a head is located where the genitals are -- that head should definitely be covered -- or if a genital is located where the head is supposed to be -- that genital must be covered.....too.

Zahra_j, atif, et al
I think maybe Zahra was trying to say rape also happens in these countries, not that rape only happens in these countries. No matter how much you cover yourself, you will always remain at risk of rape.
Faiza, I hope you were joking that you`re the only person who has the right to an opinion on this. Hijab affects us all. It creates the standard for a `good` woman, so that the morals of all others are suspect. I refuse to cover my head, even in a dargah. I have done so only in Sikh gurudwaras, where men too have to cover their heads. This is my opinion alone. If you feel safer in hijab, good for you, but we all have the right to an opinion on this.