Understanding Sanatana Dharma

jang #692
There is plenty of connection between armed killings and promises of hoors, people simply by kicking up a big fuss can not hide that.

http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/CJ10Df01.html

``..``...ATol: What are the rewards of waging jihad?

Jamal: Prophet Muhamad also offered a lot of incentives for those who would wage jihad in their lives. The mujahideen were assured of entering Paradise before the first drop of their blood fell to earth. The Holy Scriptures of Islam also say that houris [beautiful virgins of the Koranic Paradise] come down to Earth to take the spirit of the mujahid who is about to die before the first drop of his blood falls to earth. The martyrs are promised 72 houris in Paradise. These houris are more beautiful than all the beauties of the world combined. I have studied more than 600 wills of Pakistani mujahideen who were fighting in Kashmir. There is hardly any will that escapes this concept. All the mujahideen have mentioned the houris as an important incentive for waging jihad. The Paradise with houris is the prime objective of these mujahideen...``


``...For example, Prophet Muhamad said that marriage is important for Muslims. It is ``half of your belief``, according to Him. But when I read the wills of mujahideen, I find they refuse to get married because they want to get married in Paradise... ``


http://www.payk.net/mailingLists/iran-news/html/2003/msg02041.html
``..In his Friday sermon at the Al-Raza mosque in the north Pakistan town of Rawalpindi, prayer leader Maulana Yousaf exhorts the assembly to ``Contact me if you want to donate your sons for Kashmir jihad.`` He boasts, ``My speeches have motivated hundreds of people to donate their sons. I have raised an army of 300 holy warriors within four months.``


Such impassioned speeches have the desired effect. Take the case of laborer Ahsan Mehmood, a father of eight, who gave two of his sons to jihad last month. ``It is better for them to die for a cause and embrace martyrdom before I kill them due to hunger,`` is how he justifies his decision.


Prayer leaders and schoolteachers are jihad`s local PR agents. Says Karim Khan, a vegetable seller from Gujranwala in the northern Punjab province, ``My 18-year-old son joined the LeT because he was influenced by his teacher`s lectures. He would tell the boys that the real world (news - Y! TV) was in paradise, which a Muslim could achieve only through martyrdom, to be secured by fighting in Kashmir...``


http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/17/martyr.culture/

In the late 1990s, Pakistani journalist Nasra Hassan interviewed nearly 250 prospective bombers, their families, as well as their trainers, from within militant Palestinian camps.

In remarkable accounts, members of the Palestinian fundamentalist group Hamas described how potential bombers came to believe that paradise was on the ``other side of the detonator.``

Candidates for martyrdom were told the first drop of blood shed by a martyr washes away their sins. They could select 70 of their nearest and dearest to enter Heaven; and they would have at their disposal 72 houris, the beautiful virgins of paradise, Hassan recounted in the New Yorker.

Indeed many of the statements written by suicide bombers before they died spoke of a painless death that offered the shortest path to such a Heaven.

9/11 suicide attacker Mohammad Atta`s writings:
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Mohammad-Atta
````you should feel complete tranquillity, because the time between you and your marriage in heaven is very short``

http://www.secularislam.org/skeptics/anwar.htm

http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/fundamentalism/2002/0127jihad.htm
``Little in the manner of Ijaz Khan Hussein betrays the miseries he saw as a volunteer in the war in Afghanistan. Mr. Khan, a college-trained pharmacist, joined the jihad, or holy war, like thousands of other Pakistanis who crossed over into Afghanistan.

He worked as a medical orderly near Kabul, shuttling to the front lines, picking up bodies and parts of bodies. Of 43 men who traveled with him to Afghanistan by truck in October, he says, 41 were killed.

Now with the Taliban and Al Qaeda routed, have Mr. Khan and other militants finished with holy war?

Mr. Khan, at least, said he had not.

``We went to the jihad filled with joy, and I would go again tomorrow,`` he said. ``If Allah had chosen me to die, I would have been in paradise, eating honey and watermelons and grapes, and resting with beautiful virgins, just as it is promised in the Koran. Instead, my fate was to remain amid the unhappiness here on earth.`` ...``


http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/Ibnwarraq/what_virgins.htm
Virgins? What virgins?

Apparently it is earthly marriages which are creating problems in this jihadi organisation:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_18-7-2004_pg7_20
Jamaatud Dawa splits

``..The leaders of the breakaway faction have accused Hafiz Saeed of nepotism, diverting the party from its original objective and the unfair distribution of funds. The Khairun Naas was also unhappy at Saeed’s second marriage to a fallen comrade’s widow...``

``..When Prof Iqbal and other JD council members objected that the second marriage did not suit the party head, Hafiz Saeed objected to Prof Iqbal’s second marriage to a young Baltistani girl.

“The dispute was personal, but spilled over into party affairs,” sources said, adding that Hafiz Saeed’s second marriage seemed to usher in a trend, with several other party members marrying a second time, including Yahya Mujahid...``

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ok tahmed
i will not post generic comments on paki or jihadic hoor policy due to the following 2 reasons.

1. i indeed was parroting the connection which though true, not something i noticed on my own as a result its parroting hence redundant.

2. you dont seem to take it the way i think you should ( you take it as a personal attack on your religion, althogh it confusing..you seem to claim that your religion is more sublime and had nothing to do with hoor policy.)

i have already stated that slander on the holy prophet out of context is just that and therefore not halal.

so, bottom line, i kind of get what HP and bara says. see what we can achieve when there is no violence threat!

so long live chappal kabab (all this bohomie is due to some good food at a small eaterie called medina market off brighton ave-harvard st corner in boston. i wish they server beer though..maybe not. the two pubs on the block have much nicer atmosphpere)

woh haddi ban kar ayea tha chowk pe,
yeh dekho kaisey kabab kiya hai main ney.

har baat pe kehta tha, jawaab do na abh,
abh dekho kaisey la-jawab kiya hai main ney.

aik gaali di thi ussne ammi ko mere aik din,
usski ammi ko aaj benaqab kiya hai main ney.

abh tou meri jannat pakki samjho khamkhwa,
allah ke khaatey mein yeh sawaab kiya hai main ney.

;)

soysauce #665, tahmed32 #669, #672

Apologies for not having replied yet. Soysauce, will reply some time tomorrow evening. Tahmed, will give multi-part befitting reply (muh-tod jawab) at around the same time.

abay O bhallu...
raag mishra ki todi main how would you sing my verse noted below...which is...

Youn elaj e dil e betaab kiya hai main nay
uss ke peshab pe peshab kiya hai main nay
;))

#684 by kkkandk on July 17, 2004 5:10pm PT -- 00182027

More threats by the mullahs to the chowk staff and its posters?? This time disguised as a `Legal` threat. Isn`t this another aspect of terrorism and intolerence by Pakistani muslims? Now we are going to see cyber-jehadis trying to blow themselves up by spamming chowk!
Listen you donkey mullahs- you need a good kick on your ar$e to make you see the reality. Megalomaniac, narcisstic and racist louts deserve to be kicked out from this board and chowk staff has done the right thing!!!

#684 by kkkandk on July 17, 2004 5:10pm PT -- 00182027

More threats by the mullahs to the chowk staff and its posters?? This time disguised as a `Legal` threat. Isn`t this another aspect of terrorism and intolerence by Pakistani muslims? Now we are going to see cyber-jehadis trying to blow themselves up by spamming chowk!
Listen you donkey mullahs- you need a good kick on your ar$e to make you see the reality. Megalomaniac, narcisstic and racist louts deserve to be kicked out from this board and chowk staff has done the right thing!!!

wow, the jews are doing well, pbuh,indeed!
tahmed, dr phil isn`t the be-all and end-all. the doctor on the sopranos is better.

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CoolAL: The facts of what goes on on chowk are there to see. You are welcome to draw your own conclusions, and I am not going to spend time defending mine.

Pakshaer alias barachota: Could you please cool it? You are ruining my case (that Pakistani posters in general dont fall to the level of many of the Indian posters). :-(

Ref Mullah32 #678

[You badly need to have a chat with Dr. Phil to get rid of your complexes.]

I don`t know if that is an improvement over your earlier advice to seek professional help from the janitorial shrink Shankar.

...since sanatan dharma has become dharma and greg and shair O shayeri is on the menu, here is one of my own...enjoy...;)

yun ilaj e dil e betaab kiya hai hum nay
uss ke peshab pe peshab kiya hai hum nay

...adab arz;)

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