Understanding Sanatana Dharma

nazar,

Hinduism is not a religion where evolved instutions like the caste system are encouraged `scriptually`. As you state, nothing is encouraged as such. Rather, we can also take the view that Hinduism is a culture with a loose binding philosophy and world view. In this culture evolved the caste system. Looking for `scriptual` basis for it is thinking, as many have already complained about, like a Semite. The caste system is a) compatible with the core philosophy and b) from the Hindu culture. Therefore, it is a `Hindu` thing.

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Hup Deux Trois Quatre.

Arthath:-

Omar doing not need to read does not import what. Omar already all knowledge. Omar is antaryaamee. Omar is to whiten the great formula « X`S » the ingredient. Omar does a request of now posts it unity Auditor Principal.

Hup Two Three Four.

nazarhayatkhan #120
``If it is not there at the conceptual level, is there any need to make it a part of Dharma if society at large is not happy about it. Tantric school has already rejected it. Dharma does give a freedom of adopting different ways but it also gives equal freedom of rejecting the one`s not approved by the society. ``

Correct. Caste distinctions would also get erased in pilgrimages/yatras or when one became a sadhu. I suspect the jaati system allowed changing/migrating populations to coexist without needing to completely decimate each other. In a static population, the heirarchies got a chance to get rigid. Even in the Mahabharata, there are bits which were clearly an effort to erase hierarchical distinctions which fly in the face of the basic Vedantic `the Absolute resides in every living creature`, but these heirarchical distinctions never really went away. The Indian Constitution is the latest `scripture` which rejects the system.

Oui ! BigSmall ou Douze-Quatorze ! Sialkot appartient au Cachemire appartient à Pakistan appartient à l`Inde. L`inde appartient à qui, alors ? L`inde doit acheter le Canada. De là-bas, l`Inde doit acheter le Machu-Pichu.

Arthath.

Yes! BigSmall or Twelve-fourteen! Sialkot belongs to the Cashmere belongs to Pakistan belongs to India. India belongs to that, then? India must buy Canada. Of over there, India must buy the machu-pichu.

Vertex # 129

I beg to differ. I think the Casteism in Hindu society is divinely mandated. The Hindu Shastras (religious texts) have a different explanation to offer. As per the Holy scriptures: `Brahma Janayate Iti Brahamana` i.e. a Brahmin is a person who has mastered the essence of Brahma (Universe). In the Bhagavad Geeta, Lord Krishna says that the caste divisions have been created by Him (Krishna) (Bhagavad Gita 4-13).

barachota: Pakistan belongs to no one. No country belongs to anyone. We are all renters. And soon enough we will all be gone. Lets try to just leave the place in a little better shape than you found it.

mog: mais oui, monsieur!! vous parle vraiment, toujours!! esque vous reside dans l`Paris, peutetre?? es vous connais les madameoiselle qui habit avec l`montmartre? pour moi, je suis content avec Paris. Je n`est pas demande Cashmere. Non!! et Viola!! J`aime Paris!! Je souvien Paris, toujour! toujour!!

Tahmed dix et dix et dix et deux. Comment êtes-vous? Oui, Paris peut être le vôtre en échange de donner Lahore charmant à l`Inde. Amritsar sera heureux.

nazarhayatkhan #130
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``If it is not there at the conceptual level, is there any need to make it a part of Dharma if society at large is not happy about it. ``

Let me clarify, I said not at ``some`` conceptual level. The caste sytem got implicit or explicit conceptual endorsements from the broader 4-varna organisation which has multiple basis in multiple scriptures. It also got explicit support from scriptural prescriptions of who may marry whom such as in Manu Smriti and other Smritis.

The caste system also gets indirect support from the karma concept, which says that a person`s `sanskaras` (or values/culture/choices) depend on one`s habits formed from environment, company and actions. One`s `sanskaras` affect the potential fruits of one`s karma, one of the potential fruits of one`s karma being in what circumstances one will next take birth. So it has always been easy to say that XYZ set of people live in bad circumstances because of the fruits of their previous lives.

IMO, like interpretations of the afterlife have been the source of excesses in other religions, the forelife has been the source of excesses in Hindu belief systems.

vertex

i completely agree that the caste system must have been compatible with the ``hindu`` ethos (scripture or no scripture). the hindu system is more or less elitist as well (or snooty), and made/makes little effort to ``invite`` those belonging to other faiths to join them. no caste invites members of other castes to join them. their is no membership access to any biradari for those of other biradari. hindus are more or less comfortable (smug) with this. OTOH christians, muslims seem to be eager to spread the word. christian sects are happy to accept folks from wrong sects to join their church. someone in my family was lamenting that look at all those ``good`` kings like Akbar, they always married hindu princesses, but never allowed their daughters in marriage. but then i cant imagine a muslim woman by marriage becoming maharani and sitting next to a good Suryavanshi Rajput conducting a major Puja. surely, there were concubines-minor wives (e.g. Bajirao-Mastani or more recently the story from movie Zubeida).

mog #138 pas de probleme. Pourvu que nous obtenons Aishwarya Rai dans l`échange.

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kaurasach #141 merci, monsieur. je ponce que nous disons plus vrai quand nous parle en francaise. vive les frogs!! vive les hommes qui monge les escargots!!

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