Prophecy and the Mullah: Hotel Mohenjodaro
Yasser Latif Hamdani July 2, 2004
#191 Posted by tahmed32 on July 16, 2004 7:57:53 am
Simon Templar: Tell that to Iblis when he skins you alive, along with all your other Maududi-worshippers ``Job well done iblis sir! hai maududi uncle aap kidhar haiN!``. (Of course maududi uncle wont be able to help you because he will be strung upside down and given the chhittar). Bloody pagans all of you maududiites, posing as muslims.
Ha! Ha!
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#190 Posted by MantoLives on July 15, 2004 9:46:31 pm
What is sad about characters like escapist is that they make a sketchy point that doesn`t make sense... then sign on as someone else and give themselves a pat on the back...
Good...
Good...
#189 Posted by Simon_Templar on July 15, 2004 6:16:14 pm
escapist, a job well done bud. (T)
#182 Quran makes it clear that ``Believers`` can be of ANY religion
#185 Do you seriously think, e.g., that Allah is any different than Bhagwan?
#187 regardless of whether you are christian or jew or any other religion, as long as you believe in God and in the Day of Judgement you have nothing to fear.
#187 Thus, a hindu (per muslim belief) can go to heaven and a muslim can go to hell.
Islam was sent to supersede all previous religions, whether Abrahamic
or pagan. Jews and Christians who came before Islam, will be judged on
the basis of their adopted faith at the time. But those who know of
Islam and reject it, do so at their own peril. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
When you compare Allah and Bhagwan, you are comparing Islam with a
pagan religion. If you don`t think there is a difference, than you are
either a retard or being disingenuous.
I have never heard such unadulterated, utter nonsence like in #187.
The only thing that could explain it is either you are an Ahmedi, Bahai or
other miscreant posing as a muslim here. Shame on you.
#182 Quran makes it clear that ``Believers`` can be of ANY religion
#185 Do you seriously think, e.g., that Allah is any different than Bhagwan?
#187 regardless of whether you are christian or jew or any other religion, as long as you believe in God and in the Day of Judgement you have nothing to fear.
#187 Thus, a hindu (per muslim belief) can go to heaven and a muslim can go to hell.
Islam was sent to supersede all previous religions, whether Abrahamic
or pagan. Jews and Christians who came before Islam, will be judged on
the basis of their adopted faith at the time. But those who know of
Islam and reject it, do so at their own peril. No ifs, ands or buts about it.
When you compare Allah and Bhagwan, you are comparing Islam with a
pagan religion. If you don`t think there is a difference, than you are
either a retard or being disingenuous.
I have never heard such unadulterated, utter nonsence like in #187.
The only thing that could explain it is either you are an Ahmedi, Bahai or
other miscreant posing as a muslim here. Shame on you.
#187 Posted by tahmed32 on July 12, 2004 10:46:28 am
escapist: just writing verses as if they are some kind of magical incantations is a good way to avoid simple facts staring at you in the face. as is labelling my arguments as chidlish - there is nothing childish in pointing out when someone has tampered with the Quran and totally twisted its message from one of hope to one of despair; from one of good to one of evil. That is what the mullahs have done to Islam. Any by God they will pay for it in the next world when God puts a seal on their lips and has their hands and feet talk about the evil and mischief they spread in this world with their miserable lives. Trying to pretend they have a special ``in`` with God, and spreading hatred for other people.
nor is it relevant which man (you or the translator) added his ``corrections`` to the Quran. nor i think do you need any line numbers from surah baqarah - i could go an check the Quran and let you know, but the lines are simple enough and you must have read them a zillion times: the part where it says that regardless of whether you are christian or jew or any other religion, as long as you believe in God and in the Day of Judgement you have nothing to fear.
And dont just stop with this one verse. Read the entire Quran using your OWN eyes and brain (not what some translator added by way of ``correction`` to God`s word) and use your OWN mind. Dont just blindly follow what maudoodi (who is probably even now paying for his sins) says.
nor is it relevant which man (you or the translator) added his ``corrections`` to the Quran. nor i think do you need any line numbers from surah baqarah - i could go an check the Quran and let you know, but the lines are simple enough and you must have read them a zillion times: the part where it says that regardless of whether you are christian or jew or any other religion, as long as you believe in God and in the Day of Judgement you have nothing to fear.
And dont just stop with this one verse. Read the entire Quran using your OWN eyes and brain (not what some translator added by way of ``correction`` to God`s word) and use your OWN mind. Dont just blindly follow what maudoodi (who is probably even now paying for his sins) says.
#186 Posted by escapist on July 12, 2004 9:54:53 am
Tahmed.
Ok, I am surprised. I never thought you d come up with such a childish argument.
Those ``phrases`` were not inserted by me. They were inserted by the person who translated the meaning of the quran. And just clarified the meanin of the arabic terms. Like ``al munkir`` and ``maaroof``. But ok, I am pasting them without those ``insertions. just for you.
And no, you did not give any reference.
Here is what you said. `` see for example the lines in Surah Baqarah where it says so explicitly``. Do you know the ``line number`` where ``it`` says so ``explicitly`` ? It would be great help. And please dont bother making any post if you think you have to stay vague about your ideas by using the same excuse of ``I have explained my view to chowk already`` . I have heard that few times already.
Regards.
The Religion before Allah is Islam . (Is that clear enough for you?)
3:19
O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth , and have driven out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allaah your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, . You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All‑Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you does that, then indeed he has gone astray from the Straight Path”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:1]
“Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allaah Alone’”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:4]
But this does not mean that a Muslim cannot interact with them in a nice manner that will encourage them to enter Islam, so long as that is within the guidelines of sharee’ah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:8]
The Muslim should strive hard to call non-Muslims to Islam through all possible permissible means, in the hope that they may benefit from that and respond, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided”
[al-Nahl 16:125]
“And who is better in speech than he who [says: ‘My Lord is Allaah ,’ and then stands firm , and] invites to Allaah’s , and does righteous deeds, and says: ‘I am one of the Muslims’”
[Fussilat 41:33]
The believers, men and women, are Awliyaa’ of one another; they enjoin Al‑Ma‘roof , and forbid from Al‑Munkar ; they perform As-Salaah and give the Zakaah, and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah will have His Mercy on them. Surely, Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Tawbah 9:71]
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ , they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them , then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon
[al-Maa`idah 5:51]
“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allaah is the third of the three .’ But there is no Ilaah but One Ilaah .And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them”
[al-Maa’idah 5:73]
“The believers, men and women, are Awliyaa’ of one another; they enjoin Al‑Ma‘roof , and forbid from Al‑Munkar ; they perform As-Salaah and give the Zakaah, and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah will have His Mercy on them. Surely, Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Tawbah 9:71]
Ok, I am surprised. I never thought you d come up with such a childish argument.
Those ``phrases`` were not inserted by me. They were inserted by the person who translated the meaning of the quran. And just clarified the meanin of the arabic terms. Like ``al munkir`` and ``maaroof``. But ok, I am pasting them without those ``insertions. just for you.
And no, you did not give any reference.
Here is what you said. `` see for example the lines in Surah Baqarah where it says so explicitly``. Do you know the ``line number`` where ``it`` says so ``explicitly`` ? It would be great help. And please dont bother making any post if you think you have to stay vague about your ideas by using the same excuse of ``I have explained my view to chowk already`` . I have heard that few times already.
Regards.
The Religion before Allah is Islam . (Is that clear enough for you?)
3:19
O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth , and have driven out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allaah your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, . You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All‑Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you does that, then indeed he has gone astray from the Straight Path”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:1]
“Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allaah Alone’”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:4]
But this does not mean that a Muslim cannot interact with them in a nice manner that will encourage them to enter Islam, so long as that is within the guidelines of sharee’ah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:8]
The Muslim should strive hard to call non-Muslims to Islam through all possible permissible means, in the hope that they may benefit from that and respond, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided”
[al-Nahl 16:125]
“And who is better in speech than he who [says: ‘My Lord is Allaah ,’ and then stands firm , and] invites to Allaah’s , and does righteous deeds, and says: ‘I am one of the Muslims’”
[Fussilat 41:33]
The believers, men and women, are Awliyaa’ of one another; they enjoin Al‑Ma‘roof , and forbid from Al‑Munkar ; they perform As-Salaah and give the Zakaah, and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah will have His Mercy on them. Surely, Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Tawbah 9:71]
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ , they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them , then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon
[al-Maa`idah 5:51]
“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allaah is the third of the three .’ But there is no Ilaah but One Ilaah .And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them”
[al-Maa’idah 5:73]
“The believers, men and women, are Awliyaa’ of one another; they enjoin Al‑Ma‘roof , and forbid from Al‑Munkar ; they perform As-Salaah and give the Zakaah, and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah will have His Mercy on them. Surely, Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Tawbah 9:71]
#185 Posted by tahmed32 on July 12, 2004 5:58:06 am
escapist #184 Any why do you feel the need to add your own phrases within the Quranic verses you quote? (``(i.e. Islamic Monotheism, this Qur’aan, and Muhammad), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad) ``
Do you think the Quran does not mean what it says? And do you have no fear of God that you dare to distort the Quranic message to make it to your own liking? I dont think you even thought of these questions while automatically inserting your own words to distort what we muslims believe to be the message of God!!
As for the rest of the verses, I could easily show how they provide no basis for the chauvinistic statement you made (Do you seriously think, e.g., that Allah is any different than Bhagwan?) But as I said, I am not going to waste my time doing that (I have already done that in past years on chowk, and satisfied myself that there is no basis for the mullah view of islam).
Also, while pulling these verses out, you ignored that one refernce I gave you in surah Baqarah. (Probably because it was too explicity to even allow you to distort it by inserting your own phrases into Quranic verses). And you must be well aware of the countless other places where the Quran calls for respecting all religions (and even their rituals!).
Your one post is an example of exactly what I wrote concerning the brazen twisting of Islam so its message is turned 180 degrees!! The gentle, universal message of the Quran is replaced by the primitive, chauvinist mindset of the mullah!! Repent your evil ways before it is too late.
Do you think the Quran does not mean what it says? And do you have no fear of God that you dare to distort the Quranic message to make it to your own liking? I dont think you even thought of these questions while automatically inserting your own words to distort what we muslims believe to be the message of God!!
As for the rest of the verses, I could easily show how they provide no basis for the chauvinistic statement you made (Do you seriously think, e.g., that Allah is any different than Bhagwan?) But as I said, I am not going to waste my time doing that (I have already done that in past years on chowk, and satisfied myself that there is no basis for the mullah view of islam).
Also, while pulling these verses out, you ignored that one refernce I gave you in surah Baqarah. (Probably because it was too explicity to even allow you to distort it by inserting your own phrases into Quranic verses). And you must be well aware of the countless other places where the Quran calls for respecting all religions (and even their rituals!).
Your one post is an example of exactly what I wrote concerning the brazen twisting of Islam so its message is turned 180 degrees!! The gentle, universal message of the Quran is replaced by the primitive, chauvinist mindset of the mullah!! Repent your evil ways before it is too late.
#184 Posted by escapist on July 11, 2004 10:11:57 pm
tahmed.
So the difference between muslim and a non muslim was later created by men?
The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will).
3:19
O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e. Islamic Monotheism, this Qur’aan, and Muhammad), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad) and yourselves (from your homeland) because you believe in Allaah your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers and polytheists, as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All‑Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray from the Straight Path”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:1]
“Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allaah Alone’”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:4]
But this does not mean that a Muslim cannot interact with them in a nice manner that will encourage them to enter Islam, so long as that is within the guidelines of sharee’ah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:8]
The Muslim should strive hard to call non-Muslims to Islam through all possible permissible means, in the hope that they may benefit from that and respond, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Invite (mankind, O Muhammad) to the way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Revelation and the Qur’aan) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided”
[al-Nahl 16:125]
“And who is better in speech than he who [says: ‘My Lord is Allaah (believes in His Oneness),’ and then stands firm (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allaah’s (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: ‘I am one of the Muslims’”
[Fussilat 41:33]
The believers, men and women, are Awliyaa’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another; they enjoin (on the people) Al‑Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al‑Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); they perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give the Zakaah, and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah will have His Mercy on them. Surely, Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Tawbah 9:71]
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”
[al-Maa`idah 5:51]
“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allaah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).’ But there is no Ilaah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilaah (God —Allaah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them”
[al-Maa’idah 5:73]
“The believers, men and women, are Awliyaa’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another; they enjoin (on the people) Al‑Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al‑Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); they perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give the Zakaah, and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah will have His Mercy on them. Surely, Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Tawbah 9:71]
There are so many more.
But if you still think I am `selectively`` posting ayah ``out of context`` hehe.. then
lakum deenukum wal ya deen :)
ciao.
So the difference between muslim and a non muslim was later created by men?
The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will).
3:19
O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e. Islamic Monotheism, this Qur’aan, and Muhammad), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad) and yourselves (from your homeland) because you believe in Allaah your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers and polytheists, as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All‑Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray from the Straight Path”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:1]
“Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibraaheem (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: ‘Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allaah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever until you believe in Allaah Alone’”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:4]
But this does not mean that a Muslim cannot interact with them in a nice manner that will encourage them to enter Islam, so long as that is within the guidelines of sharee’ah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Allaah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allaah loves those who deal with equity”
[al-Mumtahanah 60:8]
The Muslim should strive hard to call non-Muslims to Islam through all possible permissible means, in the hope that they may benefit from that and respond, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Invite (mankind, O Muhammad) to the way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Revelation and the Qur’aan) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided”
[al-Nahl 16:125]
“And who is better in speech than he who [says: ‘My Lord is Allaah (believes in His Oneness),’ and then stands firm (acts upon His Order), and] invites (men) to Allaah’s (Islamic Monotheism), and does righteous deeds, and says: ‘I am one of the Muslims’”
[Fussilat 41:33]
The believers, men and women, are Awliyaa’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another; they enjoin (on the people) Al‑Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al‑Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); they perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give the Zakaah, and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah will have His Mercy on them. Surely, Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Tawbah 9:71]
“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)”
[al-Maa`idah 5:51]
“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allaah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).’ But there is no Ilaah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilaah (God —Allaah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them”
[al-Maa’idah 5:73]
“The believers, men and women, are Awliyaa’ (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another; they enjoin (on the people) Al‑Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al‑Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); they perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give the Zakaah, and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah will have His Mercy on them. Surely, Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Tawbah 9:71]
There are so many more.
But if you still think I am `selectively`` posting ayah ``out of context`` hehe.. then
lakum deenukum wal ya deen :)
ciao.
#183 Posted by barachota on July 11, 2004 5:42:32 pm
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#182 Posted by tahmed32 on July 11, 2004 4:05:47 pm
escapist: you write ``The book I follow which is Qur`an tells me that Belivers and non belivers can not be equal, the distinction has to be made. `` Precisely. And the Quran makes it clear that ``Believers`` can be of ANY religion (see for example the lines in Surah Baqarah where it says so explicitly). Thus, a hindu (per muslim belief) can go to heaven and a muslim can go to hell.
The distinction between muslim and non-muslim is an artificial creation by the same individuals who have replaced the message of God with their own chauvinistic and depraved message that has reduced Islam from being a symbol of hope for all mankind to a symbol of hatred, fear and contempt. Clearly, these islamic extremists do not believe the very same Quran that they claim to venerate but which they have effectively sabotaged.
I am junping into this discussion a bit late, have not read what led to your making this remark, but thought it useful to make this point. I dont plan to get into a long drawn religipus discussion, so you are free to accept or reject what I say with my blessings.
The distinction between muslim and non-muslim is an artificial creation by the same individuals who have replaced the message of God with their own chauvinistic and depraved message that has reduced Islam from being a symbol of hope for all mankind to a symbol of hatred, fear and contempt. Clearly, these islamic extremists do not believe the very same Quran that they claim to venerate but which they have effectively sabotaged.
I am junping into this discussion a bit late, have not read what led to your making this remark, but thought it useful to make this point. I dont plan to get into a long drawn religipus discussion, so you are free to accept or reject what I say with my blessings.
#181 Posted by MantoLives on July 11, 2004 11:50:51 am
so don`t agree to the `non-theocratic Islamic democratic state` that you posted yourself..
What a hypocrite !
Do you really have any faith?
What a hypocrite !
Do you really have any faith?
#180 Posted by barachota on July 11, 2004 11:50:50 am
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#179 Posted by Ralph on July 11, 2004 9:56:43 am
barachota #178
If you can get escapist to agree with my friend Manto that in an ideal Islamic state I, a non Muslim, should get exactly the same rights and responsibilities as any other Muslim, I and many others will be most grateful. We will also be happy to change our opinion of Islam and any state that in any way identifies itself with Islam.
Peace and Unity (hoping that you do not wish to confine this unity of people to among Muslims)
Thanks.
If you can get escapist to agree with my friend Manto that in an ideal Islamic state I, a non Muslim, should get exactly the same rights and responsibilities as any other Muslim, I and many others will be most grateful. We will also be happy to change our opinion of Islam and any state that in any way identifies itself with Islam.
Peace and Unity (hoping that you do not wish to confine this unity of people to among Muslims)
Thanks.
#178 Posted by barachota on July 11, 2004 8:52:28 am
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#177 Posted by escapist on July 11, 2004 8:40:48 am
YLH.
I dont agree because my faith doesnt permit it. Why is it so hard for you understand?
There are clear hukm on how in a muslim welfare state a kafir will be treated. And there is no need for ijtihad if the ruling is clear.
The book I follow which is Qur`an tells me that Belivers and non belivers can not be equal, the distinction has to be made.
woh zamanay main muazziz thay musalman ho ker.
aut tum khwaar huau tarik-e-qura`an ho kar.
Iqbal.
I dont agree because my faith doesnt permit it. Why is it so hard for you understand?
There are clear hukm on how in a muslim welfare state a kafir will be treated. And there is no need for ijtihad if the ruling is clear.
The book I follow which is Qur`an tells me that Belivers and non belivers can not be equal, the distinction has to be made.
woh zamanay main muazziz thay musalman ho ker.
aut tum khwaar huau tarik-e-qura`an ho kar.
Iqbal.
#176 Posted by MantoLives on July 10, 2004 11:51:38 pm
Escapist...
Having argued with your kind before... I know the Mullah style quite well... I simply asked you a question since you seemed to be advocating an `Islamic Democratic` state which was non-theocratic... but I knew all along that you will never agree to such a state where there is no distinction between Muslims and Non-Muslims... Maudoodi had called the conception of Pakistan as envisaged by Jinnah`s speeches and statements kufr.... nothing has changed in the position of the Mullahs since then...
You sir have been exposed really badly... you have proved to be quite the `Munafiq`. Good for you I say....Have fun.
Rand Report... Rand Report outlines many different groups within the Muslim community. Are you trying to prove that the secularists and modernists are on some kind of payroll... This is the biggest lie in the world.
The truth is that the even `Islamized` curriculum people like you cherish and protect was designed by University of Nebraska... You sold your souls to the US for the last 55 years... selling Islam again and again... JI is the lackey of the United States... always has been.
Islamic groups are the used condoms that America has used again and again while screwing secular, leftist, socialist or democratic elements in the Muslim World and beyond. You are the real pawns of the so called imperialists...
-YLH
Having argued with your kind before... I know the Mullah style quite well... I simply asked you a question since you seemed to be advocating an `Islamic Democratic` state which was non-theocratic... but I knew all along that you will never agree to such a state where there is no distinction between Muslims and Non-Muslims... Maudoodi had called the conception of Pakistan as envisaged by Jinnah`s speeches and statements kufr.... nothing has changed in the position of the Mullahs since then...
You sir have been exposed really badly... you have proved to be quite the `Munafiq`. Good for you I say....Have fun.
Rand Report... Rand Report outlines many different groups within the Muslim community. Are you trying to prove that the secularists and modernists are on some kind of payroll... This is the biggest lie in the world.
The truth is that the even `Islamized` curriculum people like you cherish and protect was designed by University of Nebraska... You sold your souls to the US for the last 55 years... selling Islam again and again... JI is the lackey of the United States... always has been.
Islamic groups are the used condoms that America has used again and again while screwing secular, leftist, socialist or democratic elements in the Muslim World and beyond. You are the real pawns of the so called imperialists...
-YLH
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