Re-thinking Kashmir

well i happened to meet a kashmiri in chennai, runs a handicraft store, i was seling him some flooring material, and he happened to be in need of that. as a south indian, im oblivious to kashmir, its not an emotional thing to me, so i was unbiased, but then interacting and knowing hin for three days, i felt, one thing, the kashmiri indifference to join mainstreamindia, is not about religion alone, it is also about a so-called-racial-superiority , of their being fair and light eyed and the rest of us being black and short.i felt pity for this man, while the rest of india, is racing to be the third largest economy in the world after the us and china, this man is denying that freedom to his children. i talked tohim, about his thoughts of joining pakistan, and he flatly refused that is the right solution. how can he agree , seeing the very mess pakistan is? most kashmiris i beleive want to stand up as an independent state. something that both coutries will not agree to. sad state.

Ref veeresh #184

[From today`s Dawn . . .````WANA, July 20: Pakistan Air Force jets and army helicopter gunships bombed militants` positions in Santoi and Mantoi mountain regions in the South Waziristan tribal area on Tuesday. ````

Can anybody see the Kashmiris re-thinking Kashmir, or is it just me?]

It certainly won`t be Mullah32 who was excoriating me for advocating collective punishment in Gujarat but was condoning the Pak Army use of force against Balochi tribals.

From today`s Dawn . . .````WANA, July 20: Pakistan Air Force jets and army helicopter gunships bombed militants` positions in Santoi and Mantoi mountain regions in the South Waziristan tribal area on Tuesday. ````

Can anybody see the Kashmiris re-thinking Kashmir, or is it just me?

An interesting MSN group on Pakistan Popular Culture History:

http://groups.msn.com/PakistanPopularCultureHistory

Ishrat was outfit`s woman activist: LeT

Press Trust of India

New Delhi, July 14: Giving credence to the police assertion, Pakistan-based Lashker-e-Taiba has said that Ishrat Jehan, who was killed along with three others in Ahmedabad, was the outfit`s woman activist.


In a news report published in Lahore-based Ghazwa Times, mouthpiece of LeT, Lashker said ``the veil of Ishrat Jahan, a woman activist of LeT, was removed by Indian police and her body was kept with other mujahideens (terrorists) on the ground.``

#178 by dionysus on July 12, 2004 7:13am PT

sadna, please, enough. The oppressor is the oppressed. The aggressor the aggrieved. The invader the invaded. The violater the violated. Indian logic.

Please, spare a thought for all those people reading your posts and puking all over their computer screens.

hahahaha --

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dionysus #178
You are attributing a statement/opinion to me which I have never expressed. The Kashmir issue is not so simple nor is it as simple as the reverse.

btw, I do not ask people to write books or publish articles or go on TV. I am merely quoting from them. Even if I stop quoting here, they will still keep talking and writing. So making ME the issue does not help.

sadna, please, enough. The oppressor is the oppressed. The aggressor the aggrieved. The invader the invaded. The violater the violated. Indian logic.

Please, spare a thought for all those people reading your posts and puking all over their computer screens.

#173 by HP on July 11, 2004 10:56pm PT

that pakistani establishment has undermined the kashmiri cause for their ``real`` goal is a forgone conclusion expressed in a veriety of media. what is it that you are defending?

here is (just one) latest
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FG13Df04.html

Asia Times Online sources in the government point to several developments after Pakistani Foreign Secretary Riaz Khokhar`s recent visit for scheduled talks with his Indian counterpart. The alacrity with which Jammu and Kashmir`s APHC - a conglomeration of separatist organizations - acquired its moderate chief`s resignation and brought estranged hardliner Syed Ali Shah Geelani into the fold following the Pakistani foreign secretary`s advice to ``set their house in order`` underscores the influence Islamabad continues to wield on Kashmir`s secessionists.

#171 by aslam644
thanks aslam about mirpuris. i did not mean that sikhs are as good as mirpuris in getting attention of white women ;-) , all i meant was they are similar in the sense of immigration and working hard.

so based on your post, AZK mirpuris dont seem to share kashmiriyat with valley kasmiris, but more of islamiyat. is it correct or not so. this is an attempt to understand given so few kashmiri muslim claimants posting here. there have been several hindu kashmiri postings in the past.

167 by dionysus
Been there, done that, came back with a red face and a sore bottom.
but at least we had a face and a bottom, unlike some........ :)
HP, what is this fixation on hos? Say skanky hos if you`re going to say hos, sounds incomplete otherwise. Since you know so much, who did Sadna sleep with for money? How come men aren`t hos and gigolos?

HP #173
Now if I reply to you in kind you will start whining right? You seem to be obssessed with prostitutes, perhaps you are syphyllitic and so they got a restraining order against you? My sympathies to your wife.

I have not only read many articles by PoK JKLF members, I have also seen them on PeeTV world, in one of those UK-based programs. Gilani and another guy of the IKA on one occasion and Shabir Choudhary on another. Yet another time there was Indian Kashmir`s Communist leader Yusuf Tarigami who also complained about the grenade attacks by jihadis - he said it is mostly Muslim Kashmiris who die in these. BUT NO ONE IS LISTENING.

``There is a `binding` U.N. resolution that upholds the right of Kashmiris to settle their status by plebiscite``.

Heave ho!! Indians are in a dilemma. Any moment Kofi Annan will send his troops and force Indians out of J&K.

I`m scared :-)

#170 by sadna on July 11, 2004 12:56pm PT
”dionysus #166
Repeating PTV or jihadi propaganda material here does not serve any purpose to anyone. On more than one occasion I have heard members of Azad Kashmir JKLF complaining that Pakistani`s mindless propaganda and its blatant inaccuracies are undermining their cause.”

Now this ho has inside track with Azad Kashmir JKFL. She heard them alright on their last visit to the ho district.

kaurasach#117

``Further light you can shed on Mirpuris?``

mirpuris are basically potohari panjabis, there is half a million of them in Britain. some people mistakenly believe that they emigrated because of Mangla dam. There is a large majority in bradford, but they also are scattered all over britain, i am not sure why other pakistanis consider them ``backward``?


jang #120

`` You seem to be mirpuri, so information on this topic will be educational. Our info of mirpuris comes from films like East is East. They seem like a hard working lot like Sikhs.``

apparantly the film East is East is based on a true story, many mirpuris did marry white british women when they first came over, the women virtually offering themslves to mirpuris, but sikhs were not so lucky. It is hard to imagine that these same british a decade earlier in India had signs outside clubs saying dogs and Indians not allowed.

There is a joke in Britain that when in 1947 british left India, the mirpuris and sikhs said we are coming with you.

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