Re-thinking Kashmir

dionysus #160
``India made pledges to the KASHMIRI NATION. Nothing a third party (allegedly) does can invalidate those pledges. ``

A nation you Pakistanis demand India should split into three. That sort of invalidation is OK of course. And read #95 for what Pakistan has been doing for 20 years.

sadna,
More pathetic obfuscation. Jammu and Kashmir is NOT a nation. Apart from the Kashmiris themselves there are at least 4 other major groups in J & K who have nothing to do with each other whatsoever culturally, ethnically and historically except for the misfortune of ending up through British arrogance and Dogra treachery in an artificial entity called `Jammu and Kashmir`.

Partitioning this artifical entity into three, according to the wishes of the people who live there, is the only moral and practical solution to the dispute.

Dionysus:

Nobody criticizes Nehru`s role in nation building. Not even the rightists. He is and will remain the father of Modern India, more so then Gandhi even.

Please don`t presume criticism of specific acts of Nehru such as foriegn policy or economic decisions as criticism of Nehru the man or his entire legacy.

In terms of foreign policy, he is criticized specifically for his internationalizing the Kashmir dispute, flawed perception of China and also to some extent being a pesky nation jhadoing lectures.


HP: I think you are underestimating the influence Jaswant Singh has had on Indian foreign policy in his few years. To a large extent he reflected Indian elite`s changing self perception and as I am sure you will agree, foreign policy should be articulated only by the elite.

dionysus #162
Well, it is Kashmiris who decide what constitutes their Kashmiri nation - you Pakistanis go argue with them(when you are not beheading them, ie).

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sadna,
Right now it`s your raping, murdering, torturing, occupying army that is deciding everything for the Kashmiris.


Re:beheading. Please, have some shame. You people have killed 90 000 Kashmiris and tortured, raped and maimed COUNTLESS more. You`re hardly in an ideal position to mount the moral high horse on Kashmir.

#165 nikki `` ``Let`s just invade pakistan , beat the crap out of them and leave....As far as kashmir is concerned nothing`s gonna change.It is time India flexed its` military muscle a bit.``

Been there, done that, came back with a red face and a sore bottom. Were you comatose on Bhang for the whole of 2002??

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dionysus #166
Repeating PTV or jihadi propaganda material here does not serve any purpose to anyone. On more than one occasion I have heard members of Azad Kashmir JKLF complaining that Pakistani`s mindless propaganda and its blatant inaccuracies are undermining their cause.

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kaurasach#117

``Further light you can shed on Mirpuris?``

mirpuris are basically potohari panjabis, there is half a million of them in Britain. some people mistakenly believe that they emigrated because of Mangla dam. There is a large majority in bradford, but they also are scattered all over britain, i am not sure why other pakistanis consider them ``backward``?


jang #120

`` You seem to be mirpuri, so information on this topic will be educational. Our info of mirpuris comes from films like East is East. They seem like a hard working lot like Sikhs.``

apparantly the film East is East is based on a true story, many mirpuris did marry white british women when they first came over, the women virtually offering themslves to mirpuris, but sikhs were not so lucky. It is hard to imagine that these same british a decade earlier in India had signs outside clubs saying dogs and Indians not allowed.

There is a joke in Britain that when in 1947 british left India, the mirpuris and sikhs said we are coming with you.

#170 by sadna on July 11, 2004 12:56pm PT
”dionysus #166
Repeating PTV or jihadi propaganda material here does not serve any purpose to anyone. On more than one occasion I have heard members of Azad Kashmir JKLF complaining that Pakistani`s mindless propaganda and its blatant inaccuracies are undermining their cause.”

Now this ho has inside track with Azad Kashmir JKFL. She heard them alright on their last visit to the ho district.

``There is a `binding` U.N. resolution that upholds the right of Kashmiris to settle their status by plebiscite``.

Heave ho!! Indians are in a dilemma. Any moment Kofi Annan will send his troops and force Indians out of J&K.

I`m scared :-)

HP #173
Now if I reply to you in kind you will start whining right? You seem to be obssessed with prostitutes, perhaps you are syphyllitic and so they got a restraining order against you? My sympathies to your wife.

I have not only read many articles by PoK JKLF members, I have also seen them on PeeTV world, in one of those UK-based programs. Gilani and another guy of the IKA on one occasion and Shabir Choudhary on another. Yet another time there was Indian Kashmir`s Communist leader Yusuf Tarigami who also complained about the grenade attacks by jihadis - he said it is mostly Muslim Kashmiris who die in these. BUT NO ONE IS LISTENING.

167 by dionysus
Been there, done that, came back with a red face and a sore bottom.
but at least we had a face and a bottom, unlike some........ :)
HP, what is this fixation on hos? Say skanky hos if you`re going to say hos, sounds incomplete otherwise. Since you know so much, who did Sadna sleep with for money? How come men aren`t hos and gigolos?