Rohit De July 18, 2004
#51 Posted by kaurasach on July 21, 2004 7:38:21 am
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#50 Posted by harish_hyd on July 21, 2004 12:09:18 am
#42 by Urstruly on July 20, 2004 1:24pm PT
[I don`t think we are going to convert into Sikhs just because Guru sahib said something cute at high noon, would you?]
``Bandar kya jaane adrak ka swaad``.
[I don`t think we are going to convert into Sikhs just because Guru sahib said something cute at high noon, would you?]
``Bandar kya jaane adrak ka swaad``.
#49 Posted by avkrishna on July 20, 2004 10:00:12 pm
#46 by nikki7777
````Yeah, sikhs practice their religion by lying about persecution in India to gain asylum in the western world, break the law by arranging fake marriages to stay in the UK or US`````
I dont see the link between these two...
```` speak of themselves as warriors but end up doing menial jobs such as pumping gas, driving cabs and cleaning toilets for the white man....``````
That they have been a warrior class defending India (atleast attempting to) against the Islamic invasions is a fact. Do you have any evidence against it?
Also, doing menial jobs in the west is a honest attempt to make a living. And it would be immature to form your opinions about a race/class of people by just looking at their unskilled labour. A lot more sikhs are prosperous, highly educated than other ethnic groups in India or the rest of Sub-Continent.
```` are these some of the things the ``gurus`` taught to the original faithful that is being passed down to the generations???......AAH!..the beauty and attraction of sikhism.....!!!....better your life people....````
Do you know anything about what the ``gurus`` taught their followers? If so, please enlighten us. We will be very interested.
Thanks,
Avkrishna
````Yeah, sikhs practice their religion by lying about persecution in India to gain asylum in the western world, break the law by arranging fake marriages to stay in the UK or US`````
I dont see the link between these two...
```` speak of themselves as warriors but end up doing menial jobs such as pumping gas, driving cabs and cleaning toilets for the white man....``````
That they have been a warrior class defending India (atleast attempting to) against the Islamic invasions is a fact. Do you have any evidence against it?
Also, doing menial jobs in the west is a honest attempt to make a living. And it would be immature to form your opinions about a race/class of people by just looking at their unskilled labour. A lot more sikhs are prosperous, highly educated than other ethnic groups in India or the rest of Sub-Continent.
```` are these some of the things the ``gurus`` taught to the original faithful that is being passed down to the generations???......AAH!..the beauty and attraction of sikhism.....!!!....better your life people....````
Do you know anything about what the ``gurus`` taught their followers? If so, please enlighten us. We will be very interested.
Thanks,
Avkrishna
#48 Posted by gilthoniel on July 20, 2004 10:00:11 pm
Guru Nanak was a great Saint, and Sikhs are a noble people. Ignorant fools who speak ill of a Saint only harm themselves. you are too blind to see His greatness, your own loss.
#47 Posted by nikki7777 on July 20, 2004 4:38:42 pm
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#46 Posted by nikki7777 on July 20, 2004 4:38:42 pm
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#45 Posted by sattar2 on July 20, 2004 4:38:42 pm
Urstruly,
Baba Nanak understood Islam better than you ever will. He was a monotheist who preached love for one’s fellow beings and devotion to the Almighty. You may not know this … but his “chola” had Quranic verses written on it. I have photographs of this “chola” that visibly show this. These photographs were taken by some Ahmadi-Muslims when they visited the tomb of Baba Nanak.
The rift between Muslims and Sikhs was a product of political struggle. Baba Nanak never preached hatred for others. Neither does Islam.
Ahmadi-Muslims and Sikhs communities have shared mutual fondness over the years. I have setup Islamic information booths at Sikh events in the bay area (nor cal) … where I met several Sikhs who know of Ahmadis and Qadian and a few have even attended the annual Ahmadi jalsaa in Qadian. I have found these folks to be simple, humble, and loving … even at high noon …
So dude … don’t let your political associations color your views … or you’ll continue to stumble. Learn to appreciate good when you see it … without getting caught up in who turns which way when praying.
[As for me converting to Sikhism … Sahib … I may be awarded death for apostasy … you know, I am still considered a Muslim by some misguided momins in the land of the farangs …]
#44 Posted by kaurasach on July 20, 2004 3:02:04 pm
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#43 Posted by kaurasach on July 20, 2004 3:02:04 pm
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#42 Posted by Urstruly on July 20, 2004 1:24:14 pm
Sattar
I don`t think we are going to convert into Sikhs just because Guru sahib said something cute at high noon, would you?
#41 Posted by sattar2 on July 20, 2004 1:15:57 pm
Kaurasach ... (#39):
... well said. Its an account worth repeating a thousand times ...
... based on what little I know of Baba Nanak Sahib ... I say, hats off to him. He was one who set about looking for God ... and seemingly found Him among the people. What a guy ...
... now, if only the ummah could get off their high horse of righteousness ... and learn from Baba Nanak! While they calim to be in posession of the house of god ... in mecca ... they are dumber than door-knobs ... as seen all over the world ...
#40 Posted by sattar2 on July 20, 2004 12:50:53 pm
Ok … this is hilarious …
Urstruly (#20) … to Dalit … “ …please study the religion of Islam with an open mind and open heart - it has never hurt anybody. You will still have the choice to go back to your old religion … “
… nah nah … Sahib … this is a sly way of conning an unsuspecting Hindu …
If Mr. Dalit is caught ... in the land of momins ... with a Quran in his possession … he’ll be accused of “posing as a Muslim” … in which case, he’ll have two choices: 1) Accept jail time for the crime of “posing as a Muslim” … or … 2) Claim to be a Muslim … in which case, if he leaves Islam, he’ll be hanged from the nearest mango tree for the sin of apostasy …
… Urstruly’s Islam is a bit like Hotel California … you may check out, but you can never leave (alive, that is) …
#39 Posted by kaurasach on July 20, 2004 12:50:52 pm
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#38 Posted by Urstruly on July 20, 2004 7:24:57 am
Dear several people,
My job was to point you into the right direction. Other than that there is no compulsion in our religion. The true guidance is from Allah alone. If He wishes He will change your heart in just a moment and if He doesn`t wish no amount of polemic argument will change your thinking. Take for example, Baba Guru Nanak; he lived in Mecca and Medina for several years to do an in depth study of Islam and yet Allah did not wish him guidence. So look what he (guru) has turned a good number of humanity into. Sikhs.
My job was to point you into the right direction. Other than that there is no compulsion in our religion. The true guidance is from Allah alone. If He wishes He will change your heart in just a moment and if He doesn`t wish no amount of polemic argument will change your thinking. Take for example, Baba Guru Nanak; he lived in Mecca and Medina for several years to do an in depth study of Islam and yet Allah did not wish him guidence. So look what he (guru) has turned a good number of humanity into. Sikhs.
#37 Posted by Humsab on July 20, 2004 7:24:07 am
`Islam is the only religion on this planet that mandates equality not only among human beings but nations as well.`
This statement is incorrect. Islam has given clear distinctions between believer and non-believer. Non- believer is discriminated against in every sphere.
Or may be according to Islam and those who follow Islam, non-believer is not a human being. In that case, one can make a claim like the one quoted above.
Regards
This statement is incorrect. Islam has given clear distinctions between believer and non-believer. Non- believer is discriminated against in every sphere.
Or may be according to Islam and those who follow Islam, non-believer is not a human being. In that case, one can make a claim like the one quoted above.
Regards
#36 Posted by rsridhar on July 19, 2004 9:30:03 pm
re: #20 by Urstruly
``So you have a choice - please study the religion of Islam with an open mind and open heart - it has never hurt anybody.``
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
....
ROTFL
Man,
You are something.
Can u tell me where the Twin Towers are right now?
They used to stand majestically in Manhatten until they were brought down by your co-religionists. All this in the name of Islam and Jehad!
But there is something that might interest our Dalit friend. Jehad and 72 hoors!! Tut, tut. Mullah Sahib, won`t u tell our good Dalit friend that he can get 72 virgins in heaven if he becomes a muslim and joins Jehad. That will be tempting for him. Right now, i see him vacillating between Buddhism and Islam.
Sridhar
``So you have a choice - please study the religion of Islam with an open mind and open heart - it has never hurt anybody.``
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha
....
ROTFL
Man,
You are something.
Can u tell me where the Twin Towers are right now?
They used to stand majestically in Manhatten until they were brought down by your co-religionists. All this in the name of Islam and Jehad!
But there is something that might interest our Dalit friend. Jehad and 72 hoors!! Tut, tut. Mullah Sahib, won`t u tell our good Dalit friend that he can get 72 virgins in heaven if he becomes a muslim and joins Jehad. That will be tempting for him. Right now, i see him vacillating between Buddhism and Islam.
Sridhar
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