What’s the Taj Mahal like from the inside? And Other Stories

#46 by nikki7777

````Yeah, sikhs practice their religion by lying about persecution in India to gain asylum in the western world, break the law by arranging fake marriages to stay in the UK or US`````

I dont see the link between these two...

```` speak of themselves as warriors but end up doing menial jobs such as pumping gas, driving cabs and cleaning toilets for the white man....``````

That they have been a warrior class defending India (atleast attempting to) against the Islamic invasions is a fact. Do you have any evidence against it?

Also, doing menial jobs in the west is a honest attempt to make a living. And it would be immature to form your opinions about a race/class of people by just looking at their unskilled labour. A lot more sikhs are prosperous, highly educated than other ethnic groups in India or the rest of Sub-Continent.


```` are these some of the things the ``gurus`` taught to the original faithful that is being passed down to the generations???......AAH!..the beauty and attraction of sikhism.....!!!....better your life people....````

Do you know anything about what the ``gurus`` taught their followers? If so, please enlighten us. We will be very interested.

Thanks,
Avkrishna

#42 by Urstruly on July 20, 2004 1:24pm PT

[I don`t think we are going to convert into Sikhs just because Guru sahib said something cute at high noon, would you?]

``Bandar kya jaane adrak ka swaad``.

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sattar,

The Hotel California bit was too much, njoyed it thoroughly :-)

BTW, is hamidm your other name

Rohit,

Nice read, am glad you enjoyed Pakistan, hope your experencies encourage more Indians to come to Pakistan and see the country and its people for themselves. Only then slowly will peoples stereotypes and prejudices go.

Kaurasach, Urstruly

Baba Nanak is seen by many Punjabi Muslim people as a saint and is revered as such. His teachings are respected becasue they apply to anyone of any faith without you having to leave the fold of your religion. I went to Nankana Sahib and visited the Gurdwara there, more Muslim ppl visit there than Sikh, the only time non Sikhs are not allowed is during the Yatras simply because there are too many ppl.

The Sevakdar was really nice he allowed me to take pictures, and explained many things about Sikhism. The Gurdwara is gorgeous and still very well maintained, and has many acres of holdings. The Sevakdar was Pakistani and educated in Pakistan so he could explain about his beliefs in a way which other Pakistani ppl could understand and grasp, using Islamic terminology and drawing many analogies to Muslim rituals, allowing my relatives to understand the concept of things like PaTh etc.

Truly an enlightening and positive experience, and big respect to the sevakdar for the way he explained and introduced his faith removing many misconceptions and stereotypes. I have a lot of respect for the Sikh teachings and faith, and sayings of the Gurus who fought against tyrannical Moghul emperors.

From what the Sevakdar told me about the Sikh faith, and my observation of Sikh ppl, I can say that many Sikh ppl just like Muslims, Hindus and Christians have come away from the true teachings and practices of their faith.

Sattar and several others.

Please don`t take me wrong I love sikhs and respect their religion etc. So here is a joke just to cheer things up:

A sikh riding his horse, was passing through a mango grove. He couldn`t help but grab a nice plump mango hanging from a branch above. Unfortunately, the mango was attached too strongly to the branch and sikh couldn`t break it. meanwhile the horse slid from under him, leaving him hanging with the mango. At that very instant the grove watchman happened to come there with his fierce club. He asked the sikh to expalin what the hell he was doing hanging with a mango. The sikh said `Oh I just fell down from my horse`.

urstruly
``I don`t think we are going to convert into Sikhs just because Guru sahib said something cute at high noon, would you? ``

heh heh.. how about becoming sikh if

1. a sword is held to your head and a choice of becoming a sikh is offered.
2. a special tax is imposed on you for not wearing a turban (beard not sufficient)
3. you are not allowed to hold any office, so all avenues of political advancements are unavailable.
4. you are called a kafuck and all around you look are you with a spectrum of sentiment from suspicion to hatred hatred.
5. your womenfolk are viewed as potential war booty.

Jang

Had you included #7, I would have considered turning into sikh (shuddering with a feeling of cooties crawling all over my body):

7. Eating sikh children`s livers after stir frying them.

That is what I read on a Sikh website. I sit true? Are sikhs still so scared of Muslims?

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I believe ir rather i believed is that this site is for individuals across borders, who want to go beyond the norm i.e . one`s who want to create a difference; One`s who would discuss and argue and come woth solutions or in certain cases just agree to disagree. I believe, (believed) that most of the interactors are educated and civilised and know a bit about manners, ethics and morals.

However, all i read from the posts nowadays is some one either ridiculing one`s religion, their culture, their personality, their race, creed etc. This is really a sad state!

If one does not agree with another, at least learn to respect their views or opinions without attacking their religion or personality etc.

Kind regards!

#58 by Summaiya on July 22, 2004 7:34am PT
``I believe ir rather i believed is that this site is for individuals across borders, who want to go beyond the norm i.e . one`s who want to create a difference; ``..


(groans..) not again.. please stop these demands for civility

nikki7777. #57

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What are you dumb or something. One guy getting beaten in NY will somehow lead to all
sikhs being thrown out of US. What makes you sikhs will be thrown out and tamilians like you will be kept. Man, you are really stupid. The guy was beaten because the attackers probably thought he was muslim wearing a taliban style turban. In any case if they are beating up sikhs you are probably not in their good books either. As for Canada Sikh, there are doing pretty well. Just look at the last election results.

``they conveniently forget the millions of hindu punjabis who are equally wealthy
and have more of their men in the army, and live in punjab``


There are more sikhs than punjabi hindus in the army. I am not saying that
Hindu Punjabis have not made a contribution to the army but the fact is very few hindus join the army in punjab as non-officers. There are regiments called Sikh and Sikh LI. Even the Punjab regiment has very few Hindu punjabis. THe Hindus in the regiment are from Haryana(Jats) and Himachal(Dogras). Do you have any evidence even remotely supporting your claims.

As for Punjab being the richest state....apart from GOA it has the highest per capita income according to the latest census. Can you provide any evidence about Punjab not being the richest state. Let me tell you it is way more prosperous that Tamil Nadu where you come from. I guess like the rest of you posts you just write what you want to write irrespective of the facts.

Since we are humoring each other … here are some thoughts on the faithful members of the ummah …

(sorry folks, some of the content is a bit racy … so beware ….
Summaiya ji ….. your point is fully appreciated … but I plead an exception here … as I am a self-proclaimed Muslim … and should be allowed to take a few jibes at my brothers as the need arises … here we go ... ) ...

The lighter (darker?) side of a Muslim …

- has read the entire Quran 17 times … in a language he does not understand

- believes if it weren’t for that tramp, we’d all be living in paradise … this is why Allah has cursed women with the pain of childbirth

- thinks beating kids for missing tahajjud is an acceptable expression of fatherly faith … forced starvation may follow for better results …

- decided in favor of ‘Fahrenheit 9/11’ over the regular porn session on a satruday afternoon … (although couldn’t help masterbating at the sight of Michael Moore’s fat ass)

- character assassination of Jinnah on grounds of unIslamic behavior has not entirely lost its appeal

- news about molestation of choir boys … reminds him why he wanted to become a hafiz in the first place …

- scientific facts: knows when to quote these … and knows when to avoid these … when preaching Islam to infidels

- doesn’t admit it, but is convinced that shagging Dianne Kruger is worth the punishment in the hereafter

- is often seen google-searching under “Jewish conspiracies” when debating the Palestine issue via e-mail with a Jew in Hungary

- female circumcision … not an issue … Islam accepts cultural differences

- ultimate fantasy: John Ashcroft gets busted while getting a blowjob from a downtown prostitute in south d.c. (… preferably before the November election)

- when boarding the PIA flight at JFK, is heard arguing loudly with the ground crew that lotta should not count as a carry-on item

- thinks that divulging details of his gall bladder surgery is a way to impress the nau jawan airhostess with his HMO plan

- smells bad, looks untidy … but insists his personal hygiene is in line with sunnah, and therefore more than adequate

and finally …

- cannot shake off this one thought … 70 virgins … all at once … has already picked out what they would look like (if you know what I mean …)

ssdhillon

This Nikki is a khota, don`t waste your time on him.

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Re: # 63 by nikki7777

As a south Indian who has lived all over India (Delhi, West Bengal, Bangalore, Kerala) please let me ask you to take your mindless southie fascism away. South Indians can be amongst the most chauvinistic, morally superior, casteist, hidebound, supercilious, sex-obsessed pr!ck$ in the country. Just like some North Indians.

For every ``barbarian`` punjabi, I can point out a hidebound wifebeating Kamma... and vice versa. No point in talking about this $h!t.

why not try your hand at friendship and understanding ? you might like it...

cheers
Aniruddha Shankar