Train to Pakistan 2004 - Heading Back
Veeresh Malik August 1, 2004
#133 Posted by jang on August 6, 2004 1:14:09 pm
http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2004/08/20040806_a_main.asp
``Since the war on terror began, Pakistan has been one of the United States` most controversial allies. Reports of Taliban camps operating in Pakistan conflict with others about the arrest of Al Qaeda operatives in the country.
It`s a tricky spot for President Musharraf, accused of not doing enough for Washington, and working too closely with it to produce ``high value targets`` in time for the November elections.
Just about the only thing that`s agreed is that Pakistan is a paradox -- both a critical American ally and the focus of so much criticism.``
cant pass a day without pakistan being in focus. its good for everyone in the long run.
overall, the climate of post 9/11 has been very -ve for pakistanis in the west, who have been trying to earn a honest living. most green passport holder students have an extreme tough time getting employed. and this is not due to american govt policy, but just overall public`s nervousness.
i remember distinctly one case of a bearded gentelman who was ex-founder of AST (Safi Qureshy?) computers who formed a start-up with many PhD engineers in Lahore (?) in voice-over IP area. after 9/11, he was still doing meetings with an american flag on his lapel, but things were very tough unfortunately. actually, he was in a hot tech area, with a low expense development operation in pakistan (in competition to high-expense operations such as audiocodes of israel). it was awfully sad to see on really good hi-tech pakistani operation fold.
``Since the war on terror began, Pakistan has been one of the United States` most controversial allies. Reports of Taliban camps operating in Pakistan conflict with others about the arrest of Al Qaeda operatives in the country.
It`s a tricky spot for President Musharraf, accused of not doing enough for Washington, and working too closely with it to produce ``high value targets`` in time for the November elections.
Just about the only thing that`s agreed is that Pakistan is a paradox -- both a critical American ally and the focus of so much criticism.``
cant pass a day without pakistan being in focus. its good for everyone in the long run.
overall, the climate of post 9/11 has been very -ve for pakistanis in the west, who have been trying to earn a honest living. most green passport holder students have an extreme tough time getting employed. and this is not due to american govt policy, but just overall public`s nervousness.
i remember distinctly one case of a bearded gentelman who was ex-founder of AST (Safi Qureshy?) computers who formed a start-up with many PhD engineers in Lahore (?) in voice-over IP area. after 9/11, he was still doing meetings with an american flag on his lapel, but things were very tough unfortunately. actually, he was in a hot tech area, with a low expense development operation in pakistan (in competition to high-expense operations such as audiocodes of israel). it was awfully sad to see on really good hi-tech pakistani operation fold.
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#132 Posted by tahmed32 on August 6, 2004 1:14:08 pm
Mohar: I will agree that the military has interfered unduly in Pakistan, that ISI has been conducting its own foreign policy. This indeed was a monstrous act. As long as you make this distinction between the people of pakistan and this unfortunate period of military interference over the past 40 years, I think you are on the right track.
You need also to recognize that there is much more to the ``Pakistani establishment`` than the military and the ISI. Pakistan is a pluralistic society with a well established middle class, a free press and grass roots democracy is now emerging at the district level (where the centrally appointed district commissioners used to form the core of district administration until a couple of years ago, and who are today out of power and reporting to democratically appointed politicians). Indeed, musharaff himself is responsible for thaking the bold step needed to introduce local self governments (Nawaz Sharif and BB had both tried to do this - I have seen reports from their time recommending this step - but simply lacked the political will to do so and backed down under pressure from the then powerful civil service). You now have a tensions (which is ultimately healthy) between the district vs provincial politicians with the military nowhere in sight. In addition, the private sector goes about its business pretty much the way it would do if there was no military interference in politics, and so do the NGOs (delivering health and education services).
You need also to recognize that there is much more to the ``Pakistani establishment`` than the military and the ISI. Pakistan is a pluralistic society with a well established middle class, a free press and grass roots democracy is now emerging at the district level (where the centrally appointed district commissioners used to form the core of district administration until a couple of years ago, and who are today out of power and reporting to democratically appointed politicians). Indeed, musharaff himself is responsible for thaking the bold step needed to introduce local self governments (Nawaz Sharif and BB had both tried to do this - I have seen reports from their time recommending this step - but simply lacked the political will to do so and backed down under pressure from the then powerful civil service). You now have a tensions (which is ultimately healthy) between the district vs provincial politicians with the military nowhere in sight. In addition, the private sector goes about its business pretty much the way it would do if there was no military interference in politics, and so do the NGOs (delivering health and education services).
#131 Posted by HisExcellency on August 6, 2004 10:35:00 am
The NYT proposes. The State Department disposes!
Here is what the US government really thinks about Pakistan`s role in war against terror...
No Taliban Camps in Pakistan, says US
WASHINGTON, Aug 5: The United States has rejected the possibility of the existence of Taliban training camps inside Pakistan, pointing out that Islamabad has undertaken ``extensive operations`` against terrorists ``sometimes at the loss of life``.
The strong expression of support for Pakistan followed a series of stories in the US media recently which suggested that there still were active Taliban training camps in Pakistan.
``What we`ve seen is a very strong Pakistani effort to eradicate sources of extremism in Pakistan, to eradicate any support that might be found in Pakistan for Taliban and Al Qaeda elements,`` said State Department spokesman Richard Boucher while disagreeing with the claim.
He pointed out that the stories about these training camps were based on interviews with people who were already in police custody in Pakistan, ``and I`m sure any locations that they identify, the Pakistanis would want to move against.``
This unusually strong defence for Pakistan from a key policy- making body of the US administration comes amid allegations, both by the media and opposition lawmakers, that recent arrests of Al Qaeda suspects in Pakistan were aimed at boosting President Bush`s chances for re-election.
It was in this context that recent reports in the US media claimed that while making a big show of Al Qaeda arrests, Pakistan was quietly allowing other terrorist groups to function within its borders.
But Mr Boucher rejected this claim as incorrect. ``I think it`s quite clear the Pakistani government has turned on the Taliban, has turned on Al Qaeda, has turned on any idea that (these) people might receive training or support from Pakistan.``
``Indeed, (Pakistan) has undertaken extensive operations, sometimes at the loss of life to act on those policy decisions,`` he added. By allowing people in its custody to talk to journalists, the Pakistani government had shown its desire to exposing the activities of these terrorists and also had taken steps to eradicate any possible sources of support or training inside Pakistan, he said.
The State Department spokesman also rejected the suggestion that Washington should launch a major operation to catch all terrorists hiding in Pakistan. The United States, he said, was already working closely with Pakistan to support ``the real efforts`` they`ve been making against terrorism.
``There`s no question that Pakistan has changed its policy and is determined to root out the elements of training or support or any other sort of safe haven that terrorists might be getting in Pakistan,`` he said.
``We`ve seen them taking concerted and difficult actions. We`ve seen a loss of life among Pakistani soldiers involved in this fight,`` he added. Referring to recent arrests of Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan, Mr Boucher said: ``They`ve been able to pick up even more Al Qaeda figures. I think the kind of effort that Pakistan is making and the results of those efforts that make all of us safer are becoming more and more clear.``
The spokesman also disagreed with the chairman of the 9/11 Commission who said last week that the three most dangerous nations to watch are Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
``We ourselves don`t put out lists of the three most dangerous nations. What we have done is to work with many, many nations to ensure that nowhere is safe for the terrorists,`` said Mr Boucher while explaining the Bush administration`s policy on this issue.
``And by working diplomatically with Pakistan, with Saudi Arabia, with Sudan, with Libya, (and) with Yemen,`` the United States has been able take away the places where terrorists could live and train.
Here is what the US government really thinks about Pakistan`s role in war against terror...
No Taliban Camps in Pakistan, says US
WASHINGTON, Aug 5: The United States has rejected the possibility of the existence of Taliban training camps inside Pakistan, pointing out that Islamabad has undertaken ``extensive operations`` against terrorists ``sometimes at the loss of life``.
The strong expression of support for Pakistan followed a series of stories in the US media recently which suggested that there still were active Taliban training camps in Pakistan.
``What we`ve seen is a very strong Pakistani effort to eradicate sources of extremism in Pakistan, to eradicate any support that might be found in Pakistan for Taliban and Al Qaeda elements,`` said State Department spokesman Richard Boucher while disagreeing with the claim.
He pointed out that the stories about these training camps were based on interviews with people who were already in police custody in Pakistan, ``and I`m sure any locations that they identify, the Pakistanis would want to move against.``
This unusually strong defence for Pakistan from a key policy- making body of the US administration comes amid allegations, both by the media and opposition lawmakers, that recent arrests of Al Qaeda suspects in Pakistan were aimed at boosting President Bush`s chances for re-election.
It was in this context that recent reports in the US media claimed that while making a big show of Al Qaeda arrests, Pakistan was quietly allowing other terrorist groups to function within its borders.
But Mr Boucher rejected this claim as incorrect. ``I think it`s quite clear the Pakistani government has turned on the Taliban, has turned on Al Qaeda, has turned on any idea that (these) people might receive training or support from Pakistan.``
``Indeed, (Pakistan) has undertaken extensive operations, sometimes at the loss of life to act on those policy decisions,`` he added. By allowing people in its custody to talk to journalists, the Pakistani government had shown its desire to exposing the activities of these terrorists and also had taken steps to eradicate any possible sources of support or training inside Pakistan, he said.
The State Department spokesman also rejected the suggestion that Washington should launch a major operation to catch all terrorists hiding in Pakistan. The United States, he said, was already working closely with Pakistan to support ``the real efforts`` they`ve been making against terrorism.
``There`s no question that Pakistan has changed its policy and is determined to root out the elements of training or support or any other sort of safe haven that terrorists might be getting in Pakistan,`` he said.
``We`ve seen them taking concerted and difficult actions. We`ve seen a loss of life among Pakistani soldiers involved in this fight,`` he added. Referring to recent arrests of Al Qaeda operatives in Pakistan, Mr Boucher said: ``They`ve been able to pick up even more Al Qaeda figures. I think the kind of effort that Pakistan is making and the results of those efforts that make all of us safer are becoming more and more clear.``
The spokesman also disagreed with the chairman of the 9/11 Commission who said last week that the three most dangerous nations to watch are Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
``We ourselves don`t put out lists of the three most dangerous nations. What we have done is to work with many, many nations to ensure that nowhere is safe for the terrorists,`` said Mr Boucher while explaining the Bush administration`s policy on this issue.
``And by working diplomatically with Pakistan, with Saudi Arabia, with Sudan, with Libya, (and) with Yemen,`` the United States has been able take away the places where terrorists could live and train.
#130 Posted by kaurasach on August 6, 2004 10:35:00 am
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#128 Posted by mohar11 on August 6, 2004 7:16:47 am
tahmed
123/ballukhan is right. You shouldn`t be throwing such a un-baked theory into the mix. It helps nothing. That`s an insult to people who made a different choice - those who chose to be united rather divided - those who chose to live together rather be separated.
Those who chose to live together also accept your choice of separation. The separation, in hindsight , proved to be good for everybody.
123/ballukhan is right. You shouldn`t be throwing such a un-baked theory into the mix. It helps nothing. That`s an insult to people who made a different choice - those who chose to be united rather divided - those who chose to live together rather be separated.
Those who chose to live together also accept your choice of separation. The separation, in hindsight , proved to be good for everybody.
#127 Posted by tahmed32 on August 6, 2004 6:18:54 am
veeresh #119 I dont think you are quite right in characterizing Pakistanis as buying into the ``manufactured consent`` of the sirkar vs a freethinking Indian people. As evidence:
1. observe chowk: Pakistanis tend to hold opinions in all bands of the spectrum (from hamidm to urstruly).
2. your own observations of the lahore cricket match in an earlier article: cricket players (both countries) were cheered by the crowd. politicians were not (and in fact booed, as i recollect reading in your article).
3. take the views of a neutral observer (I heard this from the american station chief in south asia of a major US newspaper who related this in a pakistani community meeting when she was back here in the US about an year ago): this is what she said: Pakistan has to be among the most interesting countries in the world (she said) given the independent mindset of the individual pakistani and the consequent broad range of views.
The defense rests. ;-)
1. observe chowk: Pakistanis tend to hold opinions in all bands of the spectrum (from hamidm to urstruly).
2. your own observations of the lahore cricket match in an earlier article: cricket players (both countries) were cheered by the crowd. politicians were not (and in fact booed, as i recollect reading in your article).
3. take the views of a neutral observer (I heard this from the american station chief in south asia of a major US newspaper who related this in a pakistani community meeting when she was back here in the US about an year ago): this is what she said: Pakistan has to be among the most interesting countries in the world (she said) given the independent mindset of the individual pakistani and the consequent broad range of views.
The defense rests. ;-)
#126 Posted by tahmed32 on August 6, 2004 6:18:53 am
harish #121 As I said in #120 on this issue, ``Certainly the world is concerned about the security issues in Pakistan (and correctly so). But that does not translate into the hatred for Pakistan that Indians have. Indian hatred for Pakistan is rooted in something different I think``.
As for India`s image as an emerging economic power - that is certainly true. However, an image is a very shaky thing and multifaceted thing - and it is just as true that India has the image as a vast poverty stricken nation (as an american woman joked ``visiting India is not an adventure, its a job``). More important than image are the fundamentals of any country - there I will say that over a 2-3 decade time frame, there is no question that Pakistan will keep pace with, if not outstrip, other parts of south asia in terms of political and economic progress. In any case, this is a field in which there are no losers, only winners. If India does well, Pakistan is bound to benefit anyway. If India does poorly, that will be bad for Pakistan too. So, I look forward to the day that India actually becomes what so many Indians on chowk like to say it already is.
As for India`s image as an emerging economic power - that is certainly true. However, an image is a very shaky thing and multifaceted thing - and it is just as true that India has the image as a vast poverty stricken nation (as an american woman joked ``visiting India is not an adventure, its a job``). More important than image are the fundamentals of any country - there I will say that over a 2-3 decade time frame, there is no question that Pakistan will keep pace with, if not outstrip, other parts of south asia in terms of political and economic progress. In any case, this is a field in which there are no losers, only winners. If India does well, Pakistan is bound to benefit anyway. If India does poorly, that will be bad for Pakistan too. So, I look forward to the day that India actually becomes what so many Indians on chowk like to say it already is.
#125 Posted by arjun_m on August 6, 2004 6:18:53 am
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#123 Posted by mohar11 on August 6, 2004 6:18:52 am
120
//...YOUR monster is MY country, dude ..//
Nope. Monster is NOT your country. Monster is Pakistan Establishment (Army, ISI, Mushy etc..) But yes - they being the rulers - any action against them also affects pakistan as a nation and its people. Just like the actions against Saddam affected millions of Iraqis. But that`s the nature of the business.
It`s a pity that good people of pakistan (as described by travellers like Veeresh and others) are being ruled by a monster establishment.
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As for hatred for pakistan among Indians - I agree. paki-haters are just wasting themselves. Because hating pakistan is not going to solve anything - it won`t neutralize the monster that rules them. It`s like hating a mad-dog for biting you. There is no point. The right thing to do is to cage the dog so that it can`t harm anybody again.
//...YOUR monster is MY country, dude ..//
Nope. Monster is NOT your country. Monster is Pakistan Establishment (Army, ISI, Mushy etc..) But yes - they being the rulers - any action against them also affects pakistan as a nation and its people. Just like the actions against Saddam affected millions of Iraqis. But that`s the nature of the business.
It`s a pity that good people of pakistan (as described by travellers like Veeresh and others) are being ruled by a monster establishment.
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As for hatred for pakistan among Indians - I agree. paki-haters are just wasting themselves. Because hating pakistan is not going to solve anything - it won`t neutralize the monster that rules them. It`s like hating a mad-dog for biting you. There is no point. The right thing to do is to cage the dog so that it can`t harm anybody again.
#122 Posted by ballukhan on August 6, 2004 6:18:52 am
``Indian hatred for Pakistan is rooted in something different I think - feelings of being stood up in 1947, anger at us ``converts`` having the nerve to declare ourselves a separate nation...``
BS! You also know it. Those who opposed your Pakistan and stayed back do not particularly love you.
BS! You also know it. Those who opposed your Pakistan and stayed back do not particularly love you.
#121 Posted by harish_hyd on August 5, 2004 11:01:37 pm
# various by tahmed32
No matter what, India`s image today is that of an emerging economic power, whereas that of Pakistan is of a reluctant ally in the war against terror. The US has constantly reminded Pakistan that it needs to do more. What do you think that means?
Not a day passes by without mention of yet another Al Qaeda terrorist arrested, not from WANA or the vast wastelands of Baluchistan, but from cities and towns right in the heart of Pakistan. The Ghalfani guy was arrested in Gujrat, where he had been living with his wife and children for almost 6 years without raising the suspicions of neighbors and police. Khalid Shaikh Muhammad was arrested from a cantonment (Rawalpindi?). The western media has rightly deduced that there exists a significant degree of support for Islamist terrorism both among the common populace as well as the establishment. Besides, the quiet burial given to the AQ Khan nuke smuggling episode suggests that there is more to it than meets the eye. i.e., official patronage from the Pakistan military, if not Musharraf himself, to Khan`s activities. The Americans are desperately trying to rid themselves from the threat of Al Qaeda and other assorted terrorists, and for this they have co-opted the Pakistanis, but the day they feel Pakistan is doublecrossing them (as they seem to be already suspecting), Pakistan`s goose is well and truly cooked.
No matter what, India`s image today is that of an emerging economic power, whereas that of Pakistan is of a reluctant ally in the war against terror. The US has constantly reminded Pakistan that it needs to do more. What do you think that means?
Not a day passes by without mention of yet another Al Qaeda terrorist arrested, not from WANA or the vast wastelands of Baluchistan, but from cities and towns right in the heart of Pakistan. The Ghalfani guy was arrested in Gujrat, where he had been living with his wife and children for almost 6 years without raising the suspicions of neighbors and police. Khalid Shaikh Muhammad was arrested from a cantonment (Rawalpindi?). The western media has rightly deduced that there exists a significant degree of support for Islamist terrorism both among the common populace as well as the establishment. Besides, the quiet burial given to the AQ Khan nuke smuggling episode suggests that there is more to it than meets the eye. i.e., official patronage from the Pakistan military, if not Musharraf himself, to Khan`s activities. The Americans are desperately trying to rid themselves from the threat of Al Qaeda and other assorted terrorists, and for this they have co-opted the Pakistanis, but the day they feel Pakistan is doublecrossing them (as they seem to be already suspecting), Pakistan`s goose is well and truly cooked.
#120 Posted by tahmed32 on August 5, 2004 9:29:39 pm
mohar #118 YOUR monster is MY country, dude (to screw up Mike Moore`s phrase). :-)
While the BJP government may have failed in its attempt to convince the world community that Pakistan was a monster (or pariah state, as we both agree), it certainly seems to have succeeded in convincing its own public (judging by the extent of the hatred for Pakistan I have seen on chowk - and your characterization of Pakistan in these terms is just another example). And then they open up borders and let 15,000 Indian fans in and they find that the monster is actually quite surprisingy friendly community of people.
As for world press - Certainly the world is concerned about the security issues in Pakistan (and correctly so). But that does not translate into the hatred for Pakistan that Indians have. Indian hatred for Pakistan is rooted in something different I think - feelings of being stood up in 1947, anger at us ``converts`` having the nerve to declare ourselves a separate nation (I am merely repeating what I have seen from many indian posters on chowk), anger at centuries of muslim dominance in India (as I have also noticed from some Indian posters like harimau when he first joined chowk).
I have often wondered aloud on chowk on the extent to which Indians come to chowk burning with hatred - and the smart ones calm down after some time, a handful of hopeless ones cant change. The theory I had till now was that this was something ethnic (having seen similar mood swings in bengali students with us in Lahore way back in the 1970`s, and having noticed that by and large Indian panjabis tend to be quite friendly and relaxed), with the historical factors I mentioned above providing fuel to this fire. I am now beginning to consider the possibility of BJP brainwashing being another major factor (they did try to rewrite indian history, as I recall reading in the washington post and nyt a few months ago when BJP lost power). The research continues....
While the BJP government may have failed in its attempt to convince the world community that Pakistan was a monster (or pariah state, as we both agree), it certainly seems to have succeeded in convincing its own public (judging by the extent of the hatred for Pakistan I have seen on chowk - and your characterization of Pakistan in these terms is just another example). And then they open up borders and let 15,000 Indian fans in and they find that the monster is actually quite surprisingy friendly community of people.
As for world press - Certainly the world is concerned about the security issues in Pakistan (and correctly so). But that does not translate into the hatred for Pakistan that Indians have. Indian hatred for Pakistan is rooted in something different I think - feelings of being stood up in 1947, anger at us ``converts`` having the nerve to declare ourselves a separate nation (I am merely repeating what I have seen from many indian posters on chowk), anger at centuries of muslim dominance in India (as I have also noticed from some Indian posters like harimau when he first joined chowk).
I have often wondered aloud on chowk on the extent to which Indians come to chowk burning with hatred - and the smart ones calm down after some time, a handful of hopeless ones cant change. The theory I had till now was that this was something ethnic (having seen similar mood swings in bengali students with us in Lahore way back in the 1970`s, and having noticed that by and large Indian panjabis tend to be quite friendly and relaxed), with the historical factors I mentioned above providing fuel to this fire. I am now beginning to consider the possibility of BJP brainwashing being another major factor (they did try to rewrite indian history, as I recall reading in the washington post and nyt a few months ago when BJP lost power). The research continues....
#119 Posted by veeresh on August 5, 2004 8:55:23 pm
kaurasach/100 - I have mentioned my meetings with minorities in the course of my articles. A separate reference/article would take a lot more research, and unveil fairly large property/asset scams from the ``Hai Saada Lahore`` school of thought variety, but one single anecdote which will come up in the next episode stands out - the percentage of people in and around Sheikhupura who claim Sikh ancestry is reputed to be around 60%. Be they the older Bhattis or the more recent Jat Sikhs or even ``bi-theist`` Hindu/Sikh Punjabis.
jang/110 - will do, thanks. John`s on Bogmalo on a monsoon night is great, too, takes a bit of driving though.
tahmed32/115 - I agree that people in general don`t hate other people in general, and not just Indo-Pak people. But then when the State takes the effort to bend minds, things happen. In the Indo-Pak people case, we could, till a point, blame our colonial ex-rulers for being responsible towards bending the minds of the masses, whether they used their relics left behind or not is another issue. The typical tools of ``we know better than them``, clubs, religions, elites, intellectuals etcetc . . . you know what I mean?
The point I always try to make is that in India we seem to have moved ahead, there is some amount of free thinking in India, people without shoes and with bad spoken English make good too. In Pakistan, I am sorry to say, there is still this throwback to the ``good ole` days of Birmingham Cantonment`` kind of Blighty feeling.
What happens as a result is that I think the masses in Pakistan would still swallow the ``manufactued consent`` from Sarkar kind of line . . . while in India there is debate and disagreement on most any institutional line thrown our way by the Government.
So, people don`t hate each other, agreed. But what next?
jang/110 - will do, thanks. John`s on Bogmalo on a monsoon night is great, too, takes a bit of driving though.
tahmed32/115 - I agree that people in general don`t hate other people in general, and not just Indo-Pak people. But then when the State takes the effort to bend minds, things happen. In the Indo-Pak people case, we could, till a point, blame our colonial ex-rulers for being responsible towards bending the minds of the masses, whether they used their relics left behind or not is another issue. The typical tools of ``we know better than them``, clubs, religions, elites, intellectuals etcetc . . . you know what I mean?
The point I always try to make is that in India we seem to have moved ahead, there is some amount of free thinking in India, people without shoes and with bad spoken English make good too. In Pakistan, I am sorry to say, there is still this throwback to the ``good ole` days of Birmingham Cantonment`` kind of Blighty feeling.
What happens as a result is that I think the masses in Pakistan would still swallow the ``manufactued consent`` from Sarkar kind of line . . . while in India there is debate and disagreement on most any institutional line thrown our way by the Government.
So, people don`t hate each other, agreed. But what next?
#118 Posted by mohar11 on August 5, 2004 6:24:47 pm
115
//...I refer to a specific policy that was all to obvious in the 1990`s when a concerted effort was made by India to have Pakistan listed as an pariah state. ..//
No doubt. Like I said - India has employed any tool available to counter the policies of a criminal enterprise otherwise known as paki establishment. Branding pakistan a pariah state was one of the easiest way to contain the monster - because the monster feeds on money that comes from outside - which will dry up if the state is declared a terrorist state - there by neutralizing its aggressive policies.
That India failed in this effort is of course regrettable. So yes - pakistani establishment does have the ability to counter the attempts made by India to cage and contain it. Let`s give the devil the credit when it`s due.
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With constant negative news on pakistan from world press - the country`s image has actually nose-dived. One sees a outpouring of protests and shock in paki press everyday on this. Surprisingly you don`t realize that. It could be just denial, or mis-placed patriotism/nationalism or a mix of both.
//...I refer to a specific policy that was all to obvious in the 1990`s when a concerted effort was made by India to have Pakistan listed as an pariah state. ..//
No doubt. Like I said - India has employed any tool available to counter the policies of a criminal enterprise otherwise known as paki establishment. Branding pakistan a pariah state was one of the easiest way to contain the monster - because the monster feeds on money that comes from outside - which will dry up if the state is declared a terrorist state - there by neutralizing its aggressive policies.
That India failed in this effort is of course regrettable. So yes - pakistani establishment does have the ability to counter the attempts made by India to cage and contain it. Let`s give the devil the credit when it`s due.
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With constant negative news on pakistan from world press - the country`s image has actually nose-dived. One sees a outpouring of protests and shock in paki press everyday on this. Surprisingly you don`t realize that. It could be just denial, or mis-placed patriotism/nationalism or a mix of both.
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