Train to Pakistan 2004 - Heading Back

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well kkkandk (aka bc) -- thanks -- yes i think i did disappear at around the same time as her, which is the only thing i think i would have in common with sadna -- well actually work has increased and i dont think i have the time to communicate with a bunch who are single-mindedly driven by hate/BS and have little tolerance/respect for the views of others -- so i dont think i will be coming back in that sense, but yes to read the articles once in a while is okay -- veeresh sahib -- i m afraid i have no comments to offer on your latest `masterpiece`

kkk
i was talking about m5 sun-machine gun (lowly m16 is not fit for a pure-blood surayavanshi turki like you), and not the car. And dont listen to Jee TV, they sometimes forget the conversion rates, and then there is all the confusion bet crore and billion etc.

so, anyways, you should post some more stuff on chowk as practice so you can use it later in vidhan sabha. again reminding you to keep your mouth shut (well ok you are allowed a few letters to the editor in Dawn) for your safety untill you cross the borders.

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It’s heartening to see the leading self-styled Pakistani ‘liberals’ turning out in numbers on this board. I’d begun to fear that they’d turned tail and fled from Chowk utterly dejected by the management’s total failure to exercise ‘editorial control’ or curb the activities of ‘hate-mongering’ Indians.

If Pakistanis find competition with India debilitating and unsustainable, they’re most welcome to abandon that exercise in futility. Indians will certainly not stop the Pakistani establishment from dropping out of a ‘race’ that now exists more in Pakistan’s official ideology than in reality. Trying to maintain ‘parity’ with India was a decision that Pakistan’s rulers consciously made many decades ago. Parity, together with India-Pakistan hyphenation, seems to have become so ingrained in Pakistani mentalities as to be regarded as a Pakistani entitlement which India and other world powers have an obligation to maintain. Coming to terms with a situation where the disparity between India and Pakistan in economic strength, civilizational influence, and military power, continues to grow with no end in sight, would be quite a wrench for Pakistanis brought up on a diet of the old expectations. I weep for these people; I deeply sympathize with their plight; but they’re going to have to bite the bullet some day, and the sooner they do it the better for their peace of mind and eventual well-being.

The alternative, which Pakistani ‘liberals’ favour, of India restricting the growth of its own power to accommodate Pakistani limitations and protect Pakistan from loss of face, is rooted in those ‘equal-equal’/ ‘both countries’/ ‘India-Pakistan’ delusions. India has a far wider range of concerns than Pakistan and has to play on a bigger stage. Pakistan has been and continues to be used as a proxy by major powers such as China who are India’s real competitors and have an obvious interest in placing constraints on what India does. Shrill whines from Pakistani ‘liberals’ about how India cannot really afford its military establishment ought to be regarded with cynicism and derision.

And finally, if self-styled Pakistani ‘liberal’ types are so hung up on ‘self-determination’, they can show the courage of their convictions by campaigning for freedom for Baluchistan. Baluch nationalists have been recently been showing how much they appreciate being colonized by the Pakistan Army and by Pakistani Punjabis who exploit the province’s natural resources, corral vast tracts of land, set up cantonments, and grab prime real estate and jobs, with little or nothing going to the locals. After Pakistan has retreated from Balochistan, the liberals might do the same with the Northern Areas, Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, and Sindh. That might give them a smidgen of the credibility that they completely lack today.

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bara

romor has it that javed was paying his respects to resolve some problems wiht Bare Bhai (Dawood Ibrahim) who is offcourse enjoying pakistani hospitality complete with halwa-puri. bare bhaisab offcourse enjoys official halwa inspite of being one of the most prominent mafia don of that part is because of his contributions in hawala for the deeni-jihadis. needless to say that he is such a namak-haram that he will definately not get admission even to hell, although he may enjoy his stay in clifton.

anyways, so as i was saying, you can safely come to hindoostan just like many of your compadres, and make any political statements, even separatists ones like those hurriyatee Jamat guys on pakstani payroll because india is a democracy etc. no problem. just make sure not ever to say Jiye Sind in Karachi else either the mqm or jamati will use you for target practice while riding pillion.

and dont expect the govt to come to rescue for protecting freedom of speech etc, remember no one knows what happened to that stupid traitor MNA from PML who vanished.

also, may i recommend and M-5? M-16 is for chowkidars standing guard outside the sandbag fortifications so that car-bombers dont show up more than once a month. M-5 is far more stylish.

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#164 by kkkandk on August 9, 2004 7:16am PT
<<< You seem to be an intelligent and perspective person. I sort of agree with you about reality and economic sense. I think that concentration on military advantage is hurting both India and Pakistan. Just because someone is filthy rich doesn`t justify burning $100 bills to light a cigarette - waste is waste and India is not really that filthy rich. Please reconsider this madness. :-) >>>>

Bara, this is a well-expressed opinion, however at a less effective forum. There are some more apropriate forums available in India, which you can avail.

1. 1 Lok-Sabha
2. 1 Rajya Sabha
3. Print media in english and vernacular (and internet), TV-Radio in english and vernacular
4. 26 + Vidhan Sabhas, including the one in Srinagar.
5. 1000+ Municipal Corporation assemblies
6. 100000+, Zilla Parishads
7. 1000000+ Gram Panchayats

And you will find indians very accomodating, if you come without an AK47 or a granade launcher. They may even offer you some Veg. Jaipuri because of your Rajastani heritage.

Proof? Here, even in the thick of an on-going election Campaign in his stronghold maharashtra, tiger thakrey entertains visitors. You will enjoy the picture very much.

http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/jul/30bal.htm

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