Veeresh Malik August 1, 2004
#149 Posted by rajsinghi1 on August 8, 2004 12:08:20 pm
Mumbaichick
Post #145
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Pakistan has great potential if only it disavows extremism, militancy,
First, what great potential are you referring to, in the above? What is the basis of arriving at a conclusion as above?
Second, would like to remind that Pakistan`s foundations have been laid on extremism and militancy only. What has changed since its creation which makes one to feel that Pakistan (referring mainly to the establishment) can shed extremism, militancy?
Third, if Paksitan was to shed these, valid question that get risen is (on both sides of the border and otherwise too), where is or was the need for partition (this is not to be miscontrued as wanting or desiring re merger)? Or rather, how can one reconcile to the partition given that Pakistan still has not really been able to find its own identity till now, other than no India or anti India? Is it possible that for Pakistan to survive as a country she has to carry on with extremism and militancy?
Post #145
Quote:
Pakistan has great potential if only it disavows extremism, militancy,
First, what great potential are you referring to, in the above? What is the basis of arriving at a conclusion as above?
Second, would like to remind that Pakistan`s foundations have been laid on extremism and militancy only. What has changed since its creation which makes one to feel that Pakistan (referring mainly to the establishment) can shed extremism, militancy?
Third, if Paksitan was to shed these, valid question that get risen is (on both sides of the border and otherwise too), where is or was the need for partition (this is not to be miscontrued as wanting or desiring re merger)? Or rather, how can one reconcile to the partition given that Pakistan still has not really been able to find its own identity till now, other than no India or anti India? Is it possible that for Pakistan to survive as a country she has to carry on with extremism and militancy?
#148 Posted by canadadryer on August 8, 2004 11:35:01 am
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#147 Posted by nikki7777 on August 8, 2004 11:11:28 am
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#146 Posted by arjun_m on August 8, 2004 9:28:11 am
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#145 Posted by mumbaichick on August 8, 2004 7:51:37 am
kkk and wajahat,
The issue is quite simple. Stop the terrorism, concentrate on your people`s well-being, let the Kashmiris participate in India`s democracy, and everybody will be happy. Pakistan has great potential if only it disavows extremism, militancy, and taking Kashmir by force. India can afford to make progress AND bleed Pakistan dry by ``competition`` in defense.
The issue is quite simple. Stop the terrorism, concentrate on your people`s well-being, let the Kashmiris participate in India`s democracy, and everybody will be happy. Pakistan has great potential if only it disavows extremism, militancy, and taking Kashmir by force. India can afford to make progress AND bleed Pakistan dry by ``competition`` in defense.
#144 Posted by kkkandk on August 7, 2004 11:20:00 pm
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#143 Posted by kkkandk on August 7, 2004 9:39:26 pm
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#142 Posted by jang on August 7, 2004 5:28:38 pm
#139 by kkkandk
``I cannot remain silent.``
are u part rajput and part turki?
``I cannot remain silent.``
are u part rajput and part turki?
#141 Posted by gujju1 on August 7, 2004 5:28:38 pm
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#140 Posted by wajahat on August 7, 2004 5:28:38 pm
KKKandK
Well said dude.
Tahmed, I admire you at your tribulations to keep coming back to the venomous retortations of our Indian Freinds, who will hate pakistan, no matter what. Needless to say most of them are a waste of time.
Rgds
Well said dude.
Tahmed, I admire you at your tribulations to keep coming back to the venomous retortations of our Indian Freinds, who will hate pakistan, no matter what. Needless to say most of them are a waste of time.
Rgds
#139 Posted by kkkandk on August 7, 2004 11:51:55 am
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#138 Posted by dost_mittar on August 7, 2004 2:57:08 am
nikki7777:
``#132.....kauarasch.....did ye cast a spell over them india today boys when they a-surveying in yonder punjab???....``
...blame it on that vile punjabi khatri aroon puri, the publisher of India Today:-).
``#132.....kauarasch.....did ye cast a spell over them india today boys when they a-surveying in yonder punjab???....``
...blame it on that vile punjabi khatri aroon puri, the publisher of India Today:-).
#137 Posted by ankit on August 6, 2004 2:40:52 pm
See.. how India is demaing poor Pakis!
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0806/dailyUpdate.html?s=ent2
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0806/dailyUpdate.html?s=ent2
#136 Posted by nikki7777 on August 6, 2004 1:41:22 pm
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#135 Posted by mohar11 on August 6, 2004 1:41:22 pm
#132 by tahmed32
//... As long as you make this distinction between the people of pakistan and this ... military interference ..//
Yes, I try to make a clear distinction, wherever possible, between the people and the establishment. Of course - sometimes things do overlap.
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//...You need also to recognize that there is much more to the ``Pakistani establishment`` than the military and the ISI. ...//
Well - I am not sure about that. When I say ``establishment``, I mean the entities that wield real power in pakistan - which is pretty much military and ISI. Other non-military entities such as civil society, press, grass-root democracy etc. assert very minimal influence on larger scheme of things in pakistan ..... and hence are excluded.
//... As long as you make this distinction between the people of pakistan and this ... military interference ..//
Yes, I try to make a clear distinction, wherever possible, between the people and the establishment. Of course - sometimes things do overlap.
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//...You need also to recognize that there is much more to the ``Pakistani establishment`` than the military and the ISI. ...//
Well - I am not sure about that. When I say ``establishment``, I mean the entities that wield real power in pakistan - which is pretty much military and ISI. Other non-military entities such as civil society, press, grass-root democracy etc. assert very minimal influence on larger scheme of things in pakistan ..... and hence are excluded.
#134 Posted by gujju1 on August 6, 2004 1:14:09 pm
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