Train to Pakistan 2004: La, Hore?

Re: # 494
India does not allow Euro 1 model manufacturing now. Most of the Tata/Ashok Leyland/Eicher heavy vehicles are now Euro III compliant. These engines are of high compression ratio and with turbo-charger. I am not sure about the engine source. Ashok Leyland/Tata generally use european design (Mercedes or Fiat/Iveco). I think somebody has misguided you.

Re: # 494
India does not allow Euro 1 model manufacturing now. Most of the Tata/Ashok Leyland/Eicher heavy vehicles are now Euro III compliant. These engines are of high compression ratio and with turbo-charger. I am not sure about the engine source. Ashok Leyland/Tata generally use european design (Mercedes or Fiat/Iveco). I think somebody has misguided you.

I noticed that during various discussions especially when it included Mr.Veeresh,the comparison between indian and pakistani vehicles was made especially concerning Ashok leyland and hinopak buses. I wish to clarify certain points. Ashok Leyland as from the year 1999 started manufacturing a HINO Engine model no: WO6E (euro 1) under licence from Hino Japan to be fitted in its buses. I will not go into details for the reasons it did so. The WO6E engine has an output of 118 PS max at 2400RPM. Where as: Hinopak is a direct afiliate of Hino Japan and since 1998, Hino Japan owns the majority of shares in that company. Hinopak buses are made on the popular AK Chassis and incorporate Hino Engines of HO7D model which give an output of 190PS max at 2900RPM. The HO7D Engine is also used in Hino AK buses from Malaysia and Indonesia but has nothing to do with Ashok Leyland Hino Engines which are less powerful and features some differences in design. So please do not make comparisons between these two, if you need further details, ill provide u. I also wish to say that Indian vehicle manufacturers produce a much larger no of units and at a cheaper prices than pakistani manufacturers. BUT pakistani vehicles have a much better finishing and quality than indian vehicles. During my stay in pakistan for my studies I was very impressed by hinopak coaches/buses where as in my country where I travel in ashok leyland coach every day, it makes quite a big difference, especially in terms of speed. Believe me!!!

#467 by kkkandk
``I have a common American accent, mostly mid-Western, because I grew up in the States. I have not been subjected to vigorous searches that you are imagining...``
What is a common American accent, dude?
Enlighten me. Is it Texan, midwestern? If u grew up in the States, u should know this.
Anyway, i have closely interacted with the second generation Indian Amerian kids who are mostly pathetic. They have only accents to talk about! WE call them ABCDs, I am sure u know what that acronymn means.
If u are not strip searched, it is because people are confusing u with an Indian. Make sure they do not find out u are of Paki origin!
Sridhar

re:#472 by kkkandk
Hey kkkhand,
I am sure with your good looks, u can help Pakis create a Silicon valley that rivals Bangalore. But wait a minute. You did not say u had the brains, did u?
Sridhar

#482 by harish_hyd on September 10, 2004 6:43am PT
#479 by omar_r_quraishi

[aray haresh iyer jee i knew this was also coming -- that you obviously cant live without chowk it seems

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coz allows you to vent your true feelings toward pakistan -- feel sorry for losers like you]

Man, where is your rebuttal? I know you don`t have any, just like the Paki govt. didn`t have any. In fact, you should be feeling sorry for yourself. You just can`t defend the perfidy that your govt. resorts to. That`s why you resorted to that lame rejoinder that never rebutted the Australian govt.`s contention that the wheat was not infected by Karnal bunt. And the fact that your posts are getting rejected/censored indicates that your frustration is growing and you`re resorting to abuse. Keep it coming man, I love it.


dude the rebuttal came -- u need to have eyes that are open to see it -- wouldnt expect it from the likes of u mr iyer --surely the aussie govt could have employed a better lobbyist than you harry potter jee-- thr censored post was in response to zahraJ and the reason i was surprised was that there nothing in it really to be censor as such -- perhaps i wasnt as deferential as the chowk editors would like it towards sanitary napkins and their unavailability at lhr airport -- needless to say harry potter jee, it wasnt at my rebuttal to yours which isnt even mine but the GoPs -- your such a lamer man -- just admit it that u cant live without the paki bashing on chowk

mahesh G post npo. 489 -- read the board backwards -- thats pretty much it
point taken tahmed sahib

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tahmed -
“In any case, I would welcome posts from you that rise above this india-pakistan ``chukh-chukh`` and set an example of maturity and good humor and originality and basic humanity. Who knows, you may inspire others like me to join in as well!!”

The problem we have are a few handful of fanatics who forget that 60% of Indian population lives in extreme poverty and that is about the same number of extremely poor in Pakistan. Can these numbers make anybody proud of anything? These numbers are actually humbling and then we see people here that are boasting about re-traded tires and soybean!

Harish_hyd and Mahesh- I can understand your anguish and I think you both are serious poster who may be in for some good natured jostle then some serious hate that constantly comes out from people like A-null, Arjun_m or veeresh. The problem is that every time you see sarcasm, hate and put down; you wanna respond to it in the same vain. Ahole’s post had nothing to do with a discussion between tahmad and sri. He is a hateful person and there are plenty of posts on this site that prove that. He has been abusing Pakistani posters for sometime and now all people are doing, are responding to him in the same tone. Like it or not, he will be taken to task every time he tries to bring his personal hate into his posts about Pakistan and the people of Pakistan.
In Pakistan, we have been dealing with the religious fanatics for a longtime. These Hinduvta fanatics like arjun, ahole, veeresh, harimau and many others are just the flip side of the Muslims religious fanatics. As hateful as religious fanatics can be.
Well- Arjun is a result of some retarded and a bad comedian cross. Nobody can take him seriously. If anybody spends time reading all Pakistani papers (including the letters to the editors) everyday and then finds some adverse quotes to reproduce here, he must be retarded and that is what Arjun is.

Tahmed #485 and #486,

You must have your eyes closed pretty much all the time to claim that Indians are here only to put down Pakistan and Pakistanis are only reacting.

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MaheshG #483 On your other point where you say I am generalizing, I dont think so - it is based on what I have observed for myself over the past 3-4 years on chowk. e.g., kkandk (in his original incarnation as barachota) had started off with very positive things to say about india. as did HP. or ahmedzai.

In any case, I would welcome posts from you that rise above this india-pakistan ``chukh-chukh`` and set an example of maturity and good humor and originality and basic humanity. Who knows, you may inspire others like me to join in as well!!

maheshG #483 The killing of female fetuses (after first having identified the gender through abuse of the sonogram) is a major problem in india and NOT in virtually any other country in the world including Pakistan? According to one washington post article i read a few months ago, there is now a ``bridal deficity`` of 25 million females in one region alone (i think it was the region between delhi and haryana).

I would not bother mention the primitive and downright evil practices that are widespread in india, except for the constant crowing about how great india and the constant attempts to portray pakistan in a negative light that so many of your countrymen are obsessed by on chowk.

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Tahmed,

Also, I do feel that most pakistani posters come to chowk for the same reason you and I did - to have a bit of fun, exchange thoughts, air views, but NOT to start insulting other people`s religion or country.

A major generalization if I ever saw one.

So, I dont see if in that context that was so much out of line - the really crass thing here is the way the real life problems of poverty stricken millions in india are ignored by these people as they cater to egoes.

Wow! the only way to show these people a mirror was to talk about sending female fetuses into space. That is indeed a real problem India is facing. Talk about a slap in the face! Now that all of us Indians know the truth we will strive to stop the govt. from putting female fetuses in outer space.

kkkandk,

When you are trying to swim in the river and it is full of big crocodiles, you learn to hate the fricking man-eaters. I harp on skin color and ``fairness`` because Hindu mythology and the Indian psyche revolve so much around them. If you want to put an Indian down, just remind him of how dark he looks.

Maybe Indians are obsessed about skin color. But, the only person on Chowk I see harping about how fair he/she is is you. I don`t know about Pakistanis but it certainly says a lot about you.

MaheshG, Istanbul is in Europe!

Thanks for the Geography lesson. I have also learnt that all Russians are Asians since a chunk of Russia is in Asia.

Iran means land of the Aryans

LOL! Talk about mythical constructs.

and yes, I am quite happy in the way I look.

This from a guy who alternates between bleaching and tanning himself and creates imaginary lineages from Europe.

#479 by omar_r_quraishi

[aray haresh iyer jee i knew this was also coming -- that you obviously cant live without chowk it seems

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coz allows you to vent your true feelings toward pakistan -- feel sorry for losers like you]

Man, where is your rebuttal? I know you don`t have any, just like the Paki govt. didn`t have any. In fact, you should be feeling sorry for yourself. You just can`t defend the perfidy that your govt. resorts to. That`s why you resorted to that lame rejoinder that never rebutted the Australian govt.`s contention that the wheat was not infected by Karnal bunt. And the fact that your posts are getting rejected/censored indicates that your frustration is growing and you`re resorting to abuse. Keep it coming man, I love it.

omar: I think you are just tossing words around in calling subroto names. He is in fact one of the best posters we have ever had on chowk.