Questioning the Hadeeth

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What does it mean practicing Islam? Is it a profession like the law to be practiced by a lawyer? Then only the mullah practices it and perverts it to his own professional requirements as the lawyers generally do. May I ask what is the basis for oferring `Namaz` behind a mullah in his loud-speaker studded mullah plaza called masjid when the entire surface of earth is Allah`s mosque? In any case where is the guarantee that all muslims will go to heaven even after going through all those practices prescribed by the mullah whereas some other religions offer much better prospects of going to heaven.

It is my observation that hadeeth is being rejected by people who wish to call themselves moderate muslims. These are people who wish to play it safe. They do not want to desert religion and risk Hellfire and at the same time they do not wish to be burdened by the responsibilities of practicing religion. How does rejecting hadeeth help?

Well, Quran does not ask for separating sexes. Put hadeeth out of the picture and you can still be a good moderate muslim while dating your girlfriend. Music is pretty much allowed in absence of hadeeth and you can get away even with zakat. Dress-codes are not mentioned in the Quran so it makes more room for modernization.

The list can go on and on. But the very people who narrated hadeeth and compiled the Quran for us and if we doubt they made mistakes in hadeeth than let us not hold high our Quran as authentic.

Sorry for the typographic mistake in the frst line of my post. Please read `inspired` for `inpired`.

nasah

Wonderful nasah! You seem to be inpired. What can we expect from the worshippers of Illamdini culture and the black stone or Kaali Devi who are marauding in the name of Islam? This gave rise to Bush-Blair culture. The dialectics working in a very brutal way and the humanity going to hell. No one is there to speak for the humanity in this war of barbaric cults- only nasah and...

what else cud be the plight of Deen at our own hands, when we ourselves make n tend to make such topics controvertial (n that too, at the arguements like this ``enlightened moderation``.....!!)....

Allah Keep us safe from fitn`az, and Give us the courage to fight them thru out....Aameen...


Nabi SAW kay zamaanay mein wars theein......aman o amaan thaa......life styles thay.......muaakhaat thaa......nahin thein tau discussions for sake of discussions, religious forums, bay amli, debates, sects, enlighteneing, taraqqee pasandee....

this is with refence to the article``Questioning Hadeeth``, one thing that amazed me that this articles has been read 4490 times, and no interact? phew
this article has touched a very pertinent issue. i cant agree more on the fact that amount of conocted Hadeeth is more then the reliabale ones. and we need to devolpe a new apporach to Hadeeth science and have to discard the clasical concepts surrounding us .
the edifice of clergy`s hold on the muslim society lies heavily on Hadeeth. and we should bear in mind that the clergy would do whatever it takes to safe guard its interests.
when u question the Hadeeth`s validity the frist reaction whihch a muslim would give u would be he stare at u with wide as eyes, and then without a second thought he would label u a ``munk-r-e-Hadeeth``,and would think of u as a heretic.
well Mr.Gibran i cant appreciate u more on writing on such a pertinent topic.
and i this can be topic for the researchers and scholars out there.
once again Brao mr.gibran for doing such a great job

any pakistani is fundamentally an islamist whether fanatical or balanced isd the debate.people who treat a book written by ordinary people 250 years after `their` god had spoken as flawless could not be more flawed in theor thinking.these nitwits will never understand that killing anbody whether in the name of jihad or some bearded mullah rhetoric is inhuman.but i guess it is too much to expect from people who still allow 4 marriages for the male and sexual slavery for the female.
grow up and see the world has changed!!!!!

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#104 by rsridhar on September 5, 2004 2:00pm PT

The literalist have ruled the Islamic intellectual horizon for long- and when you try to look at a ``deeper meaning`` in any of the Surahs and Hadeeths these mullahs would pounce on you.
I agree that Yoga does provide great therapeautic treatment to disturbed minds.

hamidm #108 the mullahs (and their chamchas, like echosqueek) are no real threat to society - they were jokes in pakistani society and gained prominence only because our military found it convenient to use them for their own goals.

I dont know if you recall this, but in pakistan the standard rule was that if a boy was good for nothing, you sent him to the military (i remember interservices selection board officers joking about this among themselves) - and if he was rejected even from that, and if he lacked any other means of sustenance, he became a maulvi. And they carry no mass appeal (after all, they have nothing to offer except curses to all and sundry and stupid mullah issues that having nothing to do with either religion of real life).

but that of course does not mean they can be ignored - after all, too many innocent people have been killed at their hands to consider them. I do differ with you on the matter of whether these clowns represent islam (as you think) or whether they have nothing to do with islam (as I believe). Since we have had this discussion before, seems like there is nothing i can say to convince you otherwise, and so will agree to disagree (and hope someday you will reflect upon the points i made in earlier discussions). But we can both agree, I think, that the mullah has no place in any society - like priests in other religions, they have contributed nothing to human progress through the ages, and served only to cause innocent people to suffer. Even great muslims scientists like ibn sina and reformers like sir syed ahmed khan were pilloried by these rascals.

#108 by hamidm2 on September 5, 2004 3:44pm PT

Well said. Our problem is that we are not willing to take a firm stand against terror killings by those who clearly want to ingulf this world into mindless communal violence- we want to take a moral stand as per the circumstances of the day and link it to the condemnation of atrocities in other parts of the world. By doing so we try to assume a superior moral stand and close our eyes at the enemy which is now standing at our own gates!!

[When did I defend Russian brutality?]

Forgive me if I was wrong, however I thought your distinction between so-called collateral casualties and the victims of terrorist attacks implied one was more or less acceptable, while the other was condemnable. My point is that the two acts are much more close than apart.

tahmed,

.......... so echoboom finally got to you ?........... but the fact of the matter is that these guys who walk around with unkempt beards, foul breath and the mark of satan on their foreheads are not the real threat ....... the real threat comes from those who refuse to stand up to them because they believe in the veracity of the book and are afraid that al-lah will smite them if they dare to challenge her ``revelations``............ just as the german nation was an accessory to the crimes committed by the nazis, the ummah is culpable in the present crimes against humankind (particularly womankind) being perpetrated by the islamists ..........

echosqueeeeek: your hatred for those brought up in cantonments indicates a bitterness at having being raised in the shi!tty (literally) streets of raja bazaar yourself. your inferiority complex with respect to white people has already been unwittingly revealed by you when you were wetting your pants with delight at a picture of gora faces in an audience listening to that bearded clown who is your hero.

Given your leecher personality, it is no surprise you have to hide behind a pompous nick while hiding your true name and cursing the rest of the world that did not have its origins in the gutters like you.

Gibran,

I am not an Islamic scholar nor a linguist specializing in Arabic and I am 100% sure you are not one either. So if you expect me to listen to your arguments and ignore 1400 years of work done by Islamic scholars and jurists then I am sorry I cannot do that. Implying that the killing of 12 nepalese is somehow supported by Islam and by muslims and me for that matter is once again an idiotic assumption to say the least. You off course forget to mention the 100,000 plus who died in Afghanistan and God knows how many who have died in Iraq. As I said in my first response to your article you are expressing opinions using your limited knowledge of Islam. Nothing I say or do will change your mind. Instead of reforming Islam why not try and following it. I ask you do you follow the five basic pillars of Islam. Sadly this isnt about Islam or Hadith or the Quran its about you and the way you want to live your life as it is for all of us. Instead of following the religion you want the religion to change to your needs and circumstances. Thats what reform is, inst it?. So with that said I wish you good luck.

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