Questioning the Hadeeth

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After last week`s events in Russia, I am begining to understand why Bush may be re-elected.

``a prominent Arab journalist wrote that Muslims must acknowledge the painful fact that Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.

``Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,`` Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, ``The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!``

Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups - in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen - many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of the al-Qaida terror network.

``Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims,`` he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless ``we admit the scandalous facts,`` rather than offer condemnations or justifications.

``The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us.``

Arab TV stations repeatedly aired footage of terrified young survivors being carried from the school siege scene, while pictures of dead and wounded children ran on front pages of Saturday`s newspapers in the region.

Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist and columnist for Egypt`s leading pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram, wrote that the images ``showed Muslims as monsters who are fed by the blood of children and the pain of their families.``

``If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn`t have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age,`` Bahgat wrote.

Mona Khalil, a 48-year-old secretary in Amman, said her heart ached at the sight of the frightened children and their weeping relatives.

``What on earth were the kidnappers thinking about when they took the children hostage?`` she asked. ``These criminals don`t fear God? They have no mercy in their hearts?

They don`t have children?``

Mohammed Saleh Ebrahim, a 31-year-old Bahraini who was back-to-school shopping in the Gulf island nation with his two daughters, described the hostage-takers as ``worse than animals.``

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the excerpts show that there are NORMAL decent Muslims all over the world.....

one thing I have to say about this most grisly massacre of the entire world`s history -- where two hundred CHILDREN perished while being ``rescued`` -- that the Russian Army is no less Brutal than thos Laanati Islamists -- the so called ``resue`` was no better than the kidnapping -- what the hell those cruel RUssians were thinking entering with blazing guns in in a Hall filled with 600 terrorized crying children......

.....the Ex KGB Putin is a Stalinist Monster...... once a Stalinist always a Stalinist....

#62 by sri on September 3, 2004 10:48am PT

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What is the probability that those terrorists were trained in Pakistan/Afghanistan. I think it is
very high.

Liberating America From Israel

by Paul Findley

NOTE: Mr. Paul Findley served as a Republican congressman from Illinois for 22 years.

Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had refused to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society. Few express this conclusion publicly, but many believe it is the truth. I believe the catastrophe could have been prevented if any U.S. president during the past 35 years had had the courage and wisdom to suspend all U.S. aid until Israel withdrew from the Arab land seized in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

The U.S. lobby for Israel is powerful and intimidating, but any determined president-even President Bush this very day-could prevail and win overwhelming public support for the suspension of aid by laying these facts before the American people:

Israel`s present government, like its predecessors, is determined to annex the West Bank-biblical Judea and Samaria - so Israel will become Greater Israel. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, who maintain a powerful role in Israeli politics, believe the Jewish Messiah will not come until Greater Israel is a reality. Although a minority in Israel, they are committed, aggressive, and influential. Because of deep religious conviction, they are determined to prevent Palestinians from gaining statehood on any part of the West Bank.

In its violent assaults on Palestinians, Israel uses the pretext of eradicating terrorism, but its forces are actually engaged advancing the territorial expansion just cited. Under the guise of anti-terrorism, Israeli forces treat Palestinians worse than cattle. With due process nowhere to be found, hundreds are detained for long periods and most are tortured. Some are assassinated. Homes, orchards, and business places are destroyed. Entire cities are kept under intermittent curfew, some confinements lasting for weeks. Injured or ill Palestinians needing emergency medical care are routinely held at checkpoints for an hour or more. Many children are undernourished. The West Bank and Gaza have become giant concentration camps. None of this could have occurred without U.S. support. Perhaps Israeli officials believe life will become so unbearable that most Palestinians will eventually leave their ancestral homes.

Once beloved worldwide, the U.S. government finds itself reviled in most countries because it provides unconditional support of Israeli violations of the United Nations Charter, international law, and the precepts of all major religious faiths.

How did the American people get into this fix?

Nine-eleven had its principal origin 35 years ago when Israel`s U.S. lobby began its unbroken success in stifling debate about the proper U.S. role in the Arab-Israeli conflict and effectively concealed from public awareness the fact that the U.S. government gives massive uncritical support to Israel.

Thanks to the suffocating influence of Israel`s U.S. lobby, open discussion of the Arab-Israeli conflict has been non-existent in our government all these years. I have firsthand knowledge, because I was a member of the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee in June 1967 when Israeli military forces took control of the Golan Heights, a part of Syria, as well as the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza. I continued as a member for 16 years and to this day maintain a close watch on Congress.

For 35 years, not a word has been expressed in that committee or in either chamber of Congress that deserves to be called debate on Middle East policy. No restrictive or limiting amendments on aid to Israel have been offered for 20 years, and none of the few offered in previous years received more than a handful of votes. On Capitol Hill, criticism of Israel, even in private conversation, is all but forbidden, treated as downright unpatriotic, if not anti-Semitic. The continued absence of free speech was assured when those few who spoke out-Senators Adlai Stevenson and Charles Percy, and Reps. Paul ``Pete`` McCloskey, Cynthia McKinney, Earl Hilliard, and myself-were defeated at the polls by candidates heavily financed by pro-Israel forces.


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And then the drooling-dogs, tails-a-wagging, entreat with the masters `` Oh please sir, does that enhance your pleasure screwing me``?

These are the westoxicted mutts, the hybrids, the mongrels, the pye-dogs from cantonements & colonies. The thoroughly educated ones.

The one who identified themselves as ``us`` as in: `` Are you with us or are you with them``. This shall always be remembered when Hurricane Hurry-up hits Pakistan and no closet will ever give sanctuary to the west-plagued ones. It happened in Iran. It will happen here.

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Let us put it this way:

We now have drugl runners and mafiaso turning to religious terrorism to build a reasonable opposition to the state`s anti organized crime response just as we have imperialism turning anti-terror efforts into the biggest imperialist expansionism.

Both are losers.

sri #75 One day you will realize (i hope) that you can never generalize about people. i have known many arabs who are perfectly fine, decent, very hardworking people, for example. for you to call them ``sand n**gers`` says nothing about them but a lot about you and your own insecurities.

echosqueeeek #72 your entire existence seems to be defined by ``not kowtowing to the west``. diagnosis: you have the same problem as sri (inferiority complex), but just a different manifestation.

Romair #74 interesting statistics. unfortunately most people rush to religion out of fear of death. when they find a cure for death (as will no doubt happen in a few decades, given where medical science is today), 99.99 percent of the believers will become atheists. only those who think about things like ``why are we here`` and so forth will remain religious.

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I beg to differ. There is a clear distinction between targetting innocents and unintended victims. Unintended does not mean unexpected, which is why the white man uses the term ``collateral damage`` to lessen his feeling of guilt. Now, if you can tell me that the Russians have been ``targetting`` innoncent Chechen children, you may have a point.

#67 by vertex

`` sri, tahmed,

Dudes, you took the words right out of my mouth.

We could also point out sarcastically that carpet bombing/shelling grozny from 10k feet with fuel-explosive weapons and causing the death of 10`s of thousands of Chechens (knowing full bloody well that there were scores of women and children in city) was also ``brave``.

Bunch of loosers on both sides there... ``

Well, considering the standard career choices of Chechen people, such as extortions, kidnappings and drug-running ( when left to their own governance after `95 / `96 ) one would have to wonder if anything ever positive or productive ever comes out of Chechens. It would be nice to see Validimir Putin ( the last great white hope ) quarantine all chechens in to chechnya and turn it in to a glass parking lot ( A high yield about 100 feet should do the work ). Later Russians can go in and make positive use of the Oil there.

#71 by tahmed32

``so get a bloody personality of your own.``

Sadly, when it comes to observing people, my capabilities are very limited. I can only look at their productivity. That leads me to conclude that Arabs are generally retards and thus, the title of ``Sand N***ers`` suits them well.

May be it`s my background. I am born in a backward class family in India. And I beat the odds to become a highly productive man myself.

dost, vertex


[It is this kind of attitude which is going to get that idiot Bush reelected! ]

What attitude? Vertex was condemning both sides. Not just one. His opinion is quite humane, if I may say so.

[While we must condemn bombings from 10k feet [btw, not too many of my Muslim friends on chowk joined me in condemning americans doing so in Serbia!]]

I was thinking of responding harshly to this, however I recall reports that the American bombing in fact worsened the whole Kosovar refugee crisis in the first place. So you may have a point...

Needless to say, “pinpoint” attacks on Serb positions in the hill side or around small villages is by no means equivalent to carpet bombing /shelling an entire city. Estimates have 80-100k Chechens killed. Excuse me, sir, but it is a poor comparison. Let’s leave out the fact that the Serbs were in the process of ethnic cleansing, whereas the Chechens posed no such immediate threat to anyone.

[there is no moral equivalence in the barbaric acts of individuals deliberately killing innocent children and the unavoidable killings of innocents by professional soldiers obeying the orders of their govt.]

This is weak, and a cop-out. They ARE moral siblings – a fact that is not at all reflected in the different reactions to both events. Are you telling me those soldiers had no inkling that women and children were dying as they were shelling a CITY?!?! I will also withhold comment on the ``professionalism`` of Russian soldiers. There is no justification either way. It worries me that you would sugar-coat, almost justify, one and (rightfully) condemn the other! The Russian invasion of Grozny was barbaric and near genocidal. Period. These terrorists who killed children are barbaric and evil. Period. It is EXACTLY this legitimization of the state-sponsored violence (which is inherently larger-scale terrorism by it’s very nature…nuts to your notion of “unavoidable” killings) that breeds terror, and solicits sympathy for terrorists. Not just among Muslims.

The universal promise of the terrorist is that if nothing is done, “they’ll get you next, and the world will turn a blind eye at best”. Having the world stand in solidarity with Russia after such a barbaric attack may seem righteous, however given their past sins and the rather anemic reaction, if not down right supportive, of Russia’s own barbarity (on a much grander scale) tends to make the terrorist promise seem mighty convincing.

[All such acts do is to convince Americans that there is indeed a war against terror and that Bush-Chenny are justified in killing barbarians who kill in the name of religion.]

You’re right. The timing stinks. However, I am unconvinced that the people who vote for Bush have the intellectual honesty to be “convinced” of anything. These flip-flop chanters are ideologically predisposed. I am convinced that a good number of Americans are convinced of the need for the war.

I understand your desire to remove the religious element from the conflict(s) because it fuels the agenda of the neo-cons. However, I am of the opinion that they have been successful and that a one-sided `clash of civilizations` is already underway. Whereas the rhetoric on the American side is laced with ideological references and a missionary attitude, no such counterpart exists among the Muslim masses.

The Pew Research Center did a worldwide survey on topics related to religions. Following are some of the results: http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_impo.htm

1. The percentage of the public who considered religion important

Top five:

Senegal 97%
Indonesia 95%
Nigeria 92%
India 92%
Pakistan 91%

Bottom five:

Russia 14%
Bulgaria 13%
Japan 12%
France 11%
Czech Republic 11%

So % of adults for whom religion is important rates India fourth highest in the world and Pakistan fifth.

2. ``More American adults consider religion much more important than do the citizens of all other industrialized states. ``Americans’ views are closer to people in developing nations than to the publics of developed nations.``

3. ``The population of the U.S. and Canada share a similar culture. Yet they assign vastly different importance to religion -- almost a ratio of 2 to 1.``

........... it doesn`t matter whether you believe in the hadith or not ..... as long as you believe in an all powerful moon god who replaced all those other little gods who once shared space in the kaaba, you are in going to be a pain in the collective keister of mankind .......... not unlike those who believe that that their virile god descended from the heavens to impregnate a poor virgin, or those who believe their god caused instantaneous combustion and parted seas to let people cross over to the promised land .............and let us not even talk about gods with elephant proboscises who rode around on rodents .............as long as you believe in the rubbish that is doled out on scrolls and tablets and palm leaves, we are in deep doodoo ........... actually it doesn`t really matter what koranmaniacs, mohammed fans and other nonentities on the chowk think............... what is really scary is that there is an arab out there in a cave waiting for instructions from god while a texan in the white house is waiting for instructions from his son .......... this father-son act is killing us !