Trailing End of the Middle Class at Shaadi Online

I totally agree with urstruly at 1. there are no shortcuts in life, creating a healthy and vibrant online community cannot happen unless we try and address Pakistans fundamental issues of poverty and discrimination which have permeated every sphere of our existence.
I still support Shaadi online as it does bring the message of some hope to countless millions
in atleast one aspect of their miserable life.

Nikki...censuring free speech is one thing. Stopping people from verbally abusing each other for the hell of it is another. Your post, which I have copied and pasted unedited below, does not, to my mind, serve any useful purpose. I am just trying to point out that, if we choose to interact with one another, we need to be more civilised.

Your post:

According to an elderly pakistani gentleman who lives in the same building as myself, all pakistanis do is ``eat and make babies``.....end of quote.And, i might add, this comment was made this August , after he had returned from a month long visit to karachi.Some of his other comments are``.....the punjabi-log have destroyed everything in pakistan, they used to kill indian immigrants and take over their businesses in the old days etc.``......He`s not a `mohajir` nor a punjabi, nor do i know how true all this is.I just find it amusing. hehe.

My deepest condolences to all Pakistanis on the death of writer Ishfaq Ahmad. May God bless his soul and comfort his loved ones. The one and only sufi writer in Pakistan has left us.

HE

You are right. I was too quick and too harsh to judge my own people. I was so wrong. I apologize to all.

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Yeah, Nikki, I am shocked! he should have at least changed his model of car every year, doncha think? :)

And India surely is in any top 10 list of corrupt countries in the world. Do you really think all of the things you accuse others does not go on in our own country. We really can not afford to throw stones at others my dear. This has little to do with the article but my experience with Arab cultures and peoples have been amazingly good. I have many North African and Middle eastern friends- they are really the nicest people. I have my cribs, an Arab employee can often be a pain, but they are the politest and friendliest people in the world. Really.

Like I said rudeness is our forte. Its nothing to be proud of either. Someone says something nice about India and you are rude and insulting to people in his forum? Crash course in manners is sorely required.

Nice article Raza!

Btw...nikki7777 needs to be banned. He/she/it doesnt bring anything useful to these discussions.

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#1 by Urstruly

I don`t think Pakistan has entirely failed to build an efficient and healthy society.

The Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital, Agha Khan Rural Support Programme, Orangi Pilot Project, Edhi Foundation, etc are just a few examples of how talented, determined and capable we Pakistanis are. These projects have been a spectacular success and have been made possible largely with indigeneous resources.

Unfortunately most of these success stories are in the private sector. The record of public sector enterprises and government projects is sorry indeed. Corruption, red tape and politics plays a major role in these projects.

And since government is still the largest provider of basic services (e.g. electricity, retail banking, transportation, telephones, etc) in Pakistan... the middle class is affected by these inefficiencies.

WAPDA, PTCL, Railways, CBR, UBL and PIA are like behemoths that pay very little attention to customer service. Perhaps these enterprises should outsource some of their public-oriented services to private sector.

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kewlfi, compared to the middle east maybe we are more egalitarian. Dont know too much about Europe, but we are nowhere close to America.

One example I like to give is that I used to run (and coach) large groups of people (ranging from early 20`s to mostly in their 30`s and 40`s) here in the US. After a few months as I got to know people better I realized that people I ran with ranged from millionaires to ``white collar`` workers to housewives to people who were waiting tables for a living to down and out on their luck veterans. I cant imagine such a diverse group (class, gender, race, nationality) of people taking part in ANY social activity in India. In my opinion Indian`s so much more class-concious as a society.

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Hi,

that was one of the smartest articles I read in a long time. I am one of those middle class Indian women who went corporate, and have lived in Europe and the Middle east. And yes I met those elegant Pakistani men and women you talk of, who were always very nice, but I wondered the same thing. More interestingly the entire Arab corporate world in the middle East are dominated by foreign educated or educated in American Univ people. Many of these reported to me over the years and I often wondered how come you never so people from older universities like Cairo Univ e.g. And also that my parents could not afford to send me to AUC had they been Egyptian. And yet Egypt`s social make up is very like India`s. BUt my point is not to be self congratulatory about my country. Its just that fellow Indians do not sem to realise what there is to be proud of. One of my proudest moments as an Indian was in ALgeria. Where some head honchos of local MNCs over dinner suddenly talked about how much they admired the fact that India was a democracy. And I was so embarrassed because the Gujarat riots were full swing at the time. But over the years in many Arab and SE Asian countries older and even young people have told me that they admire our democracy. And I think they are serious. Waht makes me sad is that fellow Indians do not realise that its our democracy and social mobility is what makes us special and yes, despite our infereiority complex, even admired. Compared even to Europe ours is a more mobile society and I kid you not.

And what do fellow Indians harp on about. How great it is that we have a bomb. How India needs a military dictatorship. How we are smarter than everyone else. Its amazing the number of my fellow Indians who talk of how democracy and secularism are the key problems of India. Its only after I left India that I realised how vibrant and important our democracy is. And the fact is we are not polite we are belligerant and pushy. But this too comes from believing we can do better if we really try. I know, I digress, but the idea of a secular, democratic India needs to be celebrated more by Indians, and also protected. Not just to be rude to our neighbours, but for ourselves. You know what I mean?

We can give the cradit of this achievement to our present government and the channel who is working for it.

It`s cradit goes to present government

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