Cat is Out of the Bag

What is the constitution of Pakistan? The only thing sacred and permanent in it is the `Fatwa` against Ahmadies which even Musharraf could not suspend.

An aristocracy of blackguards!...
wow! White Orchid, u have got it nailed

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guys democracy can be fun, you should try it (tell mushy).
recently, the police in mumbai got pushed by the politicians to bring the danda to ``dance bars``. the politicians thought this would be a nice move in face of upcoming erections.

thanks to democracy, mumbai style, there was a 10000 women march to the vidhan sabha (funded by the bar owners association) protesting police actions, and a litigation in courts. bar-owners won the court case, and dancing girls apparently won public opinion making a case for their livelihood. (many of them apparently claim to work for call centers).

now is this not fun?

This article remind me about “Tom and Jerry” cartoons movie. Tom was very naughty and evil character but he could not die, and Jerry was to be his victim. I just imagine what will happen if Tom and Jerry understand about demo’crazy’ ..ops I mean democracy? Probably they would like to sit together in a cheese’s party and talk about democracy as an aristocracy of blackguards….wow its seem very dangerous, that why Tom don’t want to do it. He fears a new experience more than anything because a new experience displaces so many old experiences included to be powerful in authority. Mr. Musharraf, is it right?

#54

Based on the depth of knowledge exhibited by him/her on many subjects and based on the depth of your `Knowledge` -- if you can call it that -- it is safe to say he/she has probably forgotten more than you will ever learn in your entire lifetime....

Now go buy yourself a clue.....

#53
It is good that you saw the mirror in post #46. But it was meant for another A-hole who has learnt to use the search Engines on the web and considers that one of his major achievements in life barring the ultimate pleasure he gets from filling the coolers at the gas station as his permanent livelihood.

Hmmm,

Must have hit a nerve. You see, the fun is in the bang for the buck ratio. Two sentences from me sent the gasbag into a stream of invectives...

#50 by HP

[Thanks for your input and I think there is no doubt that he is a great Indian Army General who kept his head in place after such a masterful victory. He must be praised especially when we look at the pigmies in Islamabad who should be whipped publicly for their misadventures.]

Very true! Sam Manekshaw is well and truly one of the greatest sons India has produced. Thanks to you too for the enlightening discussion!

Harish,

It appear from this article that the conversation happened in sometime in 1970.
http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19990802/ige02088.html
“In 1970, then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi`s worst fear was that Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw would stage a coup and take over the reins of the country from her. This startling revelation was made by the 85-year-old former Army chief on Karan Thapar`s programme Face-to-Face on BBC Television”

Now this is different in the Hindu and I quote here.(from friend)
http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/2003/04/04/stories/2003040403741300.htm
“Though refusing to elaborate to newsmen here this evening, the Field Marshal in the film said that when Indira Gandhi asked him he had replied ``Madam Prime Minister, don`t you think I would not prove to be a worthy replacement,`` as he asserted that there was no move by the Army to stage a coup.”

They both appear to be direct quotes from him. One quotes about 1971 and the other puts the timeframe on 1970 before the 71 war.

I think that Indian Express dates are mixed up as Manekshaw was not larger than life in 1970 but after 1971, he certainly was.
Thanks for your input and I think there is no doubt that he is a great Indian Army General who kept his head in place after such a masterful victory. He must be praised especially when we look at the pigmies in Islamabad who should be whipped publicly for their misadventures.

#36 by mohar11

You had asked me on the Jinnah board if Jinnah had indeed admitted during his last days that Pakistan was his biggest mistake. Yes, he did. For now, I have this:

http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/humPakistan/focus4.html

Excerpt:

``It was never proven that Jinnah`s intentions of a United India ever changed since there is conflicting evidence about his personal opinions on this matter. His Personal Secretary has made this statement earlier that ``On his death bed, Jinnah confessed that Pakistan was his biggest mistake in life``.``

#39 by HP

[An Army General cannot tell the PM of India to keep her butt/nose out of the army.]

Sam Manekshaw was a larger than life figure those days, after the resounding success he had with the Bangladesh war. IG was apprehensive that the Army, flush with its success might want to dabble in politics, which is why she asked him that question. Throughout his career, Manekshaw was regarded as a blunt, no-nonsense, and in-your-face sort of a guy who held his integrity and principles above everything else, so even if we go purely by his personality, it is entirely possible that he could have replied to IG`s question that way. That he did is proof enough. I read that anecdote in a print magazine, but I`m sure I`ll find it somewhere on the web and try to reproduce it here.

[The Indian PM has to keep her/his butt and nose both into the army all the time or the army would lose the funding that they desperately need all the time.]

I don`t think nobody, not even Manekshaw will dispute that, but I think he was referring more to her attempts to interfere in the appointments and promotions in the Army, for which she was notorious then.

#32 by Soulat

[Is India back in the dark ages!]

It isn`t! But Pakiland sure is, what with some scientists having calculated the distance between earth and hell (or was it heaven?) and some having postulated theories about how energy extracted from djinns can be used to save Pakistan from energy crises in the future.

#39 by HP

Here is the conversation. I have pasted the excerpt I was talking about, but you can read the entire conversation for yourself.

Indira feared Manekshaw would stage a coup

The former army chief said he related a ``little jingle`` to the prime minister, ``you mind your own business and I`ll mind mine. You kiss your own sweetheart and I`ll kiss mine. I don`t interfere politically as long as nobody interferes with me in the army``.

Now we have rats coming out of their holes to show how good they are at roaming in the sewer pipes of the web. I knew it will be a matter of time before rodents would raise their ugly heads from the septic tanks to show their cheap prowess in searching the web after filling the cooler at the gas station.

For those blundering on and on and on and on about Field Marshal Manekshaw:

A capsule sketch of his military career (giving an overall chronology, omitting the controversial bits) and some more material.