abdul naeem September 19, 2004
#2 Posted by assassin on September 19, 2004 2:40:52 pm
Although I am a strong and staunch supported of General Musharraf and Shaukat Aziz, I believe this is one decision which will not augur well for this nation. General Musharraf is about to commit his second blunder (first being the farcical referendum).
Without any further ado, Musharraf needs to step up and show to all of us that he is different - different from all military rulers and different from all previous stake-holders. It is an opportunity of a life-time for Musharraf to show to the world that he credulous a person and someone who has no personal motives ...
Come on General...YOU CAN DO IT!
Without any further ado, Musharraf needs to step up and show to all of us that he is different - different from all military rulers and different from all previous stake-holders. It is an opportunity of a life-time for Musharraf to show to the world that he credulous a person and someone who has no personal motives ...
Come on General...YOU CAN DO IT!
#3 Posted by HP on September 19, 2004 2:40:52 pm
``But what about the prospects of “democracy” in Pakistan?``
None! under Musharaf or in near or even in distant future.
The promise to take off the Wardi was, what it was; a promise! He will take it off when he is some day booted out.
Generals have learned a lesson from the downfall of Ayub Khan; you don`t take the uniform off no matter what or the guy you promoted to take your place in the army, the COAS, will skin you and sent you to Rehana and in Mushy`s case probably to Delhi. The MQM in Karachi is so pissed that they wont let him live in Karachi. Gujranwala is now controlled by Hafiz Saeed of the Al Hashish terrorist outfit fame.
So what is best for Mushy: keep the uniform or live in Delhi?
That was for Sunday. Will discuss it later after the hangover from last night is over.
None! under Musharaf or in near or even in distant future.
The promise to take off the Wardi was, what it was; a promise! He will take it off when he is some day booted out.
Generals have learned a lesson from the downfall of Ayub Khan; you don`t take the uniform off no matter what or the guy you promoted to take your place in the army, the COAS, will skin you and sent you to Rehana and in Mushy`s case probably to Delhi. The MQM in Karachi is so pissed that they wont let him live in Karachi. Gujranwala is now controlled by Hafiz Saeed of the Al Hashish terrorist outfit fame.
So what is best for Mushy: keep the uniform or live in Delhi?
That was for Sunday. Will discuss it later after the hangover from last night is over.
#4 Posted by mohar11 on September 19, 2004 3:39:50 pm
//...Come on General...YOU CAN DO IT! ...//
No he can`t!! Don`t kid yourself.
I was really surprised when Mushy made that promise last year. And there is no chance he is going to keep that promise. That`s just suicide. Without his uniform - mushy is nothing.
The real power in pakistan was always tied to the uniform and will remain so as long as pakis keep looking up to the man on white-horse.
No he can`t!! Don`t kid yourself.
I was really surprised when Mushy made that promise last year. And there is no chance he is going to keep that promise. That`s just suicide. Without his uniform - mushy is nothing.
The real power in pakistan was always tied to the uniform and will remain so as long as pakis keep looking up to the man on white-horse.
#5 Posted by teshah on September 19, 2004 5:50:10 pm
This would please only his lackies whereas his sincere supporters would be extremely disappointed. Let us hope, even against hope, that it might be only a gimmick to reach safely to the expiry date as to allow him time to manouver his safe retreat as he did by bringing in SA, etc.. After all he is a Commando.
As for democracy we cannot import it from Britain or America. The best we could have was Bhutto brand or Nawaz brand. The available on the ground are Jamali, Shujaat, SA brands, all licking the boots of wady or the MMA type holding the sword of LOB on your head.
As for democracy we cannot import it from Britain or America. The best we could have was Bhutto brand or Nawaz brand. The available on the ground are Jamali, Shujaat, SA brands, all licking the boots of wady or the MMA type holding the sword of LOB on your head.
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#8 Posted by ballukhan on September 19, 2004 8:52:29 pm
#6 by arjun_m on September 19, 2004 5:50pm PT
As per the very personal statistical survey done by his personal staff at the gun point 99.9 percent of the civilians want him around!!
As per the very personal statistical survey done by his personal staff at the gun point 99.9 percent of the civilians want him around!!
#9 Posted by ballukhan on September 19, 2004 8:52:29 pm
Mush is actually a tin can which has a ``never expires`` label on it!!!
#11 Posted by dullabhatti on September 20, 2004 12:04:18 am
Cat may be out of the bag, but billa is still in vardi.:)
#12 Posted by harish_hyd on September 20, 2004 7:04:40 am
I don`t think anybody in the world other than Pakis believed Musharraf had taken over Pakistan to save it from Nawaz Sharif`s corrupt regime. I`m now shocked to see some Pakis condemning Musharraf for seeking to perpetuate his rule. The scenes of jubilation witnessed when Nawaz fell was a sight to watch and would have led anyone to believe that Pakis were rooting for Musharraf to be the life-time ruler of Pakistan, as if he was the manna from heaven, the panacea to all of Pakistan`s ailments. If a country could rejoice at an blatantly unconstitutional takeover then, why should it complain now, when that move has only been made permanent?
#13 Posted by oppressed on September 20, 2004 7:04:40 am
Call a spade a spade. Pakistan is under the rule of the Army. That is known as martial law. You can call yourself chief executive or president by decree but you cant give up the source of your power!
#14 Posted by oppressed on September 20, 2004 7:04:40 am
The very essence of any democratic system is the ability of a smooth transfer of power in accordance with the wishes of the people determined in a transparent and non coercive manner. In Musharrafs Pakistan this is certainly not the case. When power is concentrated in the hands of one individual who nominates and manouvers his lackeys into so called positions of power whom he can change at the drop of a hat then by no stretch of imagination is that system democratic. Past experience of Pakistan is that when such power has been concentrated in the hands the army, nothing short of major catastrophe for Pakistan is the result. I just hope and pray that we find a way out of this dead end street which leaves Pakistan intact but I fear we are headed for major in thge days ahead. If Musharraf is a patriot he can start by letting go of the uniform and by holding fair and free elections. I for one will support him should he choose to follow a path to normalcy.
#15 Posted by Jibbe on September 20, 2004 7:04:40 am
Assasin,
I couldnt agree with you more. I too am (sorry fellow chowkees but I have to say it) - a staunch supporter of our General/President.
In many conversations I have had with people of all classes (i try to take every oppurtunity, in a cab, in a shop, at a discussion) to ask people one on one if they do support Musharraf and his policies.
99% of people I have met actually do, but do express grievances on two regards,
1. the foreign policy
2. the relationship with America.
There is a great suspicion and anxiety that Mr. Musharraf is a puppet of the States - most argue that he is - and the reason this worries them is that if he falls from grace with the master, then they will be quick to remove him and the instability will return.
Mr. Musharraf needs to use his time wisely and establish our govt. with the reforms he has introduced in his tenure. He needs to create a system of checks and balances and stop this current monopoly of social engineering.
I think Shaukat Aziz and Musharraf have a lot of good to offer this country, - but I agree with Naeem - this autocratic and fake democracy just lowers public opinion and creates distrust.
What was done in 99 cannot be undone, but Musharraf can create his legacy by establishing a better govt. for us all.
Good luck General Musharraf!
I couldnt agree with you more. I too am (sorry fellow chowkees but I have to say it) - a staunch supporter of our General/President.
In many conversations I have had with people of all classes (i try to take every oppurtunity, in a cab, in a shop, at a discussion) to ask people one on one if they do support Musharraf and his policies.
99% of people I have met actually do, but do express grievances on two regards,
1. the foreign policy
2. the relationship with America.
There is a great suspicion and anxiety that Mr. Musharraf is a puppet of the States - most argue that he is - and the reason this worries them is that if he falls from grace with the master, then they will be quick to remove him and the instability will return.
Mr. Musharraf needs to use his time wisely and establish our govt. with the reforms he has introduced in his tenure. He needs to create a system of checks and balances and stop this current monopoly of social engineering.
I think Shaukat Aziz and Musharraf have a lot of good to offer this country, - but I agree with Naeem - this autocratic and fake democracy just lowers public opinion and creates distrust.
What was done in 99 cannot be undone, but Musharraf can create his legacy by establishing a better govt. for us all.
Good luck General Musharraf!
#16 Posted by Urstruly on September 20, 2004 7:47:26 am
A summit is held on board AirForce One and the plane gets caught in a hurricane. The pilot announces that the only way to survive this hurrican is that some of the load is taken off this plane; some people should have to sacrifice and jump out of the plane to save the lives of others. As the French president hears this he cries ``Viva la Republique`` and jumps out. The pilot announces that plane was still heavy. At this the German Chancelor cries ``Hail Fatherland` and jumps out. Pilot says it was still heavy. President Bush gets up from his seat, cries ``God Bless America`` and throws Mexican president out of the plane. Now there are only two people left in the plane - Bush and Musharaf. Bush shrugs and says ``I ain`t jumping; I have been `selected` by people to stay``. Mushsraf shrugs too and says ``I ain`t jumping either, 96% people on this plane say that I should stay``.
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