Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return

For Veeresh`s eyes only

Now ordinarily I would have dismissed this article as rubbish by another ABCD.... but after the nonsense that you have been putting up I have given this another read... and needless to say I have formed lasting impressions about your city...


Only in India

http://www.naseeb.com/naseebvibes/humor-detail.php?aid=2055&pg=1


This particular paragraph must really interest you....


For a country with a burgeoning population, I noticed was the absence of women everywhere. On the plane, in the market, in the airport – there were hordes and hordes of men, but not a single mahila to be found. Consequently, I became the object of much curious and licentious staring, which one found unpleasant at first and then just got used to. Best way to deal with staring men is to stare right back. It intimidates them to see women who are not scared by their leering.



Like the boy in the sixth sense said ``We see what we want to see``...

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Veeresh,

Boring, prejudiced and poorly written piece...

If u are representing India on this site, please don`t, you give the country a bad name :(

Not that the lady needs anyone to defend her. Abuse her, curse her but as far as I can remember Sadna has never condoned any kind of killing of innocents. She was one of most outspoken critics of Modi in the interacts that followed the Gujrat killings. But if you disagree with her feel free to do so without the filthy language. Chowk staff if you are not aware ``Sandas`` is the Marathi word for ``shit``. Neither did I expect such level of interacts from HP.

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From Jawahara`s Allahabad board - I think this is about the truest statement about the war of words at The Chowk , pertaining to our cities in India and Pakistan lately.


#7 by temporal on October 27, 2004 1:32pm PT
``````HP: you write Pakistan is a poor country and a lot can be done in Pakistani cities for cleanliness and civic amenities, but the amount of neglect you see for some basic civic amenities in Indian cities is absolutely horrendous. Compared to Indian cities, Pakistani cities are a model for civic amenities. ``````

````sir, i have done fair bit of traveling in both countries...i disagree with your assertion...population growth in both countries has not kept pace with infrastructure development...there are some enclaves and localities within cities that are cleaner and more organized in both countries...but the bigger picture is one of decay and irresponsibility...both government and individual... rgds, t ````

HP sahib, why you lie? Show where Sadna say killing baby good.

HP sahib, lying not good. Lying to win argument is very poor judgement.

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AlephNull #368
Agreed. However, it appears the figures out there are problematic.

In India, circulation of newspapers(dailies and periodicals) is supposed to be 142 million for 2003, daily circulation 58 million. Readership - daily newpaper readership 155 million and total readership 180 million(42% of literate adults, 26% of all adults ) in 2002.

http://rni.nic.in/
http://www.flonnet.com/fl1914/19140810.htm

The readership and circulation are consistent. Even if we say there is 15% misreporting in circulation/inaccuracy in readership, readership and circulation are still consistent.


In Pakistan a Gallup Pakistan poll says readership corresponds to literacy rate 45%. It says on a given day, 30% read a newspaper and 51% of those readers buy the newspaper.

http://www.internews.net.pk/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=34
http://www.pakboi.gov.pk/PDF/circulation_newspapers_by%20languagetype.pdf

Do they mean 30% of total population, 30% of population above 15 or 30% of literate adults?

If they mean 30% of population above 15(90 million), which seems most likely, then the problem is, newspaper readership is 27 million and newpaper purchases are at least 0.3*0.5*90 = 13.5 million purchases which is much more than total reported circulation - approx 6 million (daily), 8 million (daily + periodicals). The readership and circulation numbers are not consistent.

So one of the reports, either the Gallup report or the government report is wrong. Readership is harder to measure accurately IMO.

Ref salim #364

[13. As a pacifier to the fanatic right-wing in Pakistan, Veeres announced the appointment of Maulan Nikki as Commisioner for Morality. The Mullahs are going to celebrate this victory with a mela by bathing in the Ravi river.]

Mullahs? Bathing? Is that possible at all? Don`t you guys have to live your lives the way Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) lived his? Are there rivers in Saudi Arabia in which the Prophet (PBUH) could have bathed? Is there any prood that the Prophet (PBUH) ever bathed? Isn`t bathing in rivers en masse a Hindu custom anyway?

[18. To encourage a greater understanding of each others` religions, Veeresh has assembled a panel of experts in religion. The great Pakistani expert on the Hindu faith, Ali from CA, will present lectures at the Punjab University, located in Benares, UP (Yes, Utter Pradish is right, this time!). Conversely, Ralph and AlephNull, both graduated from the University of Deoband, will be coming out of the closet to confess how they converted to Islam.]

Sigh.... How often do you want to tell us that ``coming out of the closet`` and ``converting to Islam`` quickly follow each other? We already know.

TALL BUILDINGS

Gazi Musharaff has promised a building taller than the PetroNas tower (keeping up the glorious tradition of Memet II and Shahjehan, and Mahateer i think) during his visit for US assembly and pakistani NRPs were very impressed and murmured much inshallahs.

So, indus, read and weep while you keep building your stupid non-descript Sulabh Mutris and charge Rs 1.00 per bowel movement.

sadna #366

Newspaper readership may perhaps be a more informative metric than newspaper circulation. I know that in some places in South India a single copy of a newspaper at a tea stall (or equivalent) may be read by a couple of dozen people in the course of a day. Something very similar might well happen in Pakistan, at least with Urdu newspapers.

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#359 by omar_r_quraishi
Omar,

You are wasting your time with a complete lunatic.
This lunatic cannot think of anything beyond hate and supports baby killings, Modi and mass murderers of Gujarat. Seeing a shrink is not enough, this lunatic needs to be locked in an asylum for deranged and keys should be thrown away.

The school kids stupidity. One stupid Indian wrote it another lunatic believes it.

You should also read this lunatic’s post #353, where this lunatic is suggesting that all tall buildings in Pakistan be demolished to prove Veeresh wrong!

Until this lunatic is sent to the asylum, this lunatic would continue to flap her curtains. By responding to this lunatic you are just giving creditability to a mentally disturbed person.

AlephNull #361
Perhaps that is the connection. That implies the price of a newspaper is higher because circulation is lower instead of the reverse. Wonder if that is entirely the reason for higher prices because I think someone mentioned other newsprint products like notebooks are also priced higher.

btw, I may be very mistaken but I think Pakistan had nationwide?/urban? TV transmission 15-20 years before India, that could be a factor(or not). In India, it has been reported that the advent of TV and cable TV news has not(so far) reduced newspaper circulation, in fact the reverse.

Anyway, if no one talks about it, hopefully the ratio will go up from 9 to 10, 11 or 12, that will serve these freaks right( though I wouldn`t wish it on their beleagured compatriots).

sadna #336, bongdongs #337, and

omar_r_quraishi #359

{{as for the other `facts` in your post -- given that pakistan`s population is 140 million, and that india`s is 1.078 billion, i think the ratio comes to 7.7 which is quite close to 8}}

Well, the country profile provided by the GoP`s Board of Investment gives a population figure of 150,694,740 (July 2003 est.). At a population growth rate in the vicinity of 2% that puts us over 154 million today. For a ratio of 8 one would have to have an Indian population of 1232 million today. Now China does have an estimated population of 1298 million as of July 2004 but India isn`t there yet and won`t be for a couple of decades. If you use the CIA World Factbook July 2004 estimates the population ratio works out to about 6.7.

The ratio of total newspaper circulation figures for India and Pakistan, the PPP GDP ratios, and the literate population ratios, are all in the vicinity of 9, but that may be pure happenstance and obviously cannot be sustained beyond a point.