You Failed Us Mr. President

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Had you cared about Pakistan and its people you wouldn`t have addressed him as Mr. President. He is neither President nor General, he is a usurper, a lier and a thug. What did you expect other than thugie and lies in five years? It is too late to play innocent now - now it is a crime against a nation.

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//...Why is that every Indian and his fukking dog has an opinion on Pakistani matters ...//

As a hegemonic power, Indians reserve the right to have an opinion in Paki matters. It`s our allah-given rights. There is nothing you can do about it :D . Just grin and deal with it.

#18 by dionysus on October 13, 2004 7:55am PT
``Why is that every Indian and his fukking dog has an opinion on Pakistani matters when no Pak gives a fukkk about India`s internal affairs? ``

heh heh heh, ..except the diputed territories offcourse. have you not heard of ``Akhand Bharat``?

Why is that every Indian and his fukking dog has an opinion on Pakistani matters when no Pak gives a fukkk about India`s internal affairs?


Did somebody just say ``mad obsession``??

#3 by hassansiddiqi

[When United States, with all its military powers and intelligence agencies could not stop Timothy McViegh from bombing a government building, when they could not stop 2 planes crashing into the WTC, when they could not stop an attack on the Pentagon.....how can you expect Pakistani intelligence to counter these suicide bomb attacks?]

Except for the Oklahoma bombing and 9/11, when have you ever seen a terrorist attack on US soil? I bet never. That, my friend is what a good intelligence serivce can do. It is next to impossible to prevent 100% of attacks, for terrorists will always find newer/better ways of doing their thing, but with better intelligence, you can always reduce their chances of succeeding.

In a difficult country like Pakistan, maybe the intelligence services have to cope with problems too many terrorist elements, but then, is there a single instance of an incident being averted? At least I haven`t heard of any.

For a country like Pakistan, where a major share of the budget is allocated to defense, they ought to do better really.

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//... What exactly has he achieved to make him the army chief? //

You just answered your own question. Mushy achieved nothing. That`s exactly why he was made the Army chief. Nawaz Sharif thought this good-for-nothing jacka$$ will make a good obedient Army Chief. Little did he know :))

Anyway - for pakis it don`t really matter. Even if you dress up a donkey in army uniform and say this is the Paki Army Chief - pakis will believe you. Immediately they would start ``pining hopes`` on the brave soldier, put him on the pdestal as their saviour. ...... And five years later they will wake up and start crying that the donkey didn`t do sh!t for them.

I mean when mushy took over in 1999 - this exactly we all told these incorrigible pakis - guys, don`t do it - don`t pin your hopes on this guy. He is the army chief - he is good for nothing, like all other paki army chiefs. Learn from your own history, from your own mistakes. But pakis never listen - they never learn.

#10 by mubakr

``it`s my concerted learning that people who indulge in personal-based commentary lack the intellectual depth.``

Oh yeah? That is not true. Its just that you are pompous anc conceited ;-)

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//..what`s the harm of pinning hopes on personalities?...//

What`s this - a trick question? After multiple rounds of rules by tinpots - it should have already been very clear to you.

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Where does this disillusion go back to? Post 14 August 1947, the early days of Pakistan? To Liaquat Ali Khan`s de facto dictatorship after JInnah`s demise and his betrayal of the people`s hopes and aspirations? To Nazimuddin`s premiership, to ....

Civilian politicians, even if they belonged to the dregs of the mughal and british created aristcracy like Liaquat and Nazimuddin, and those that followed them, had at least one locus standi.

They did represent, at least, one section, some of the people.

Ayub, Yahya, Zia, and Musharraf represent the GHQ.

The GHQ has no locus standi at all to rule Pakistan.

October 1, Sialkot: 31 people killed in a bomb blast in a Shiite mosque.
October 7, Multan: 40 people killed in a car bomb blast in a Sunni congregation.


Aren’t they reflections of what is happening in Waziristan? Why Pakistan Army is onto destroy the training camps which were created by her predecessors during Zia-Ul-Haq’s regime? And, lastly, why the so many mujahadeen training camps were created along the Durand line?

During cold war, Americans required Jehadis to fight against Russia, and Pakistan Army was commanded to organize/train the Jehadis. When Jehadis foresaw America as the next rival of Islam, Pakistan Army was again commanded to rip them off. Democracy in the world has been on the top of American agenda, but only a dictator can fulfill American demands. Would a Prime-Minister elected by a parliament ever dare to promise unconditional cooperation with Americans upon their first call?

``We had hopes on Musharraf – when he addressed us on October 17, 1999. We welcomed him as our savior.......We relied on him for his apparent honesty and clear demeanor but he foiled and fizzled out on every single front...``(the author)

..........like the one before him -- like the one before that one -- like the one before that one ...and the one before that one.........they ALL -- ``foiled and fizzled out on every single front.``.....yet....``when he addressed us on October 17, 1999. We welcomed him as our savior``....

it reminds me of Faiz Ahemed Faiz classic poem Intazaar-e Democracy.......phir koi aya dil-e zaar naheeN koiee naheeN -- koiee Ayub thaa Yahya thaa Zia thaa koiee.....yeh Musharraf bhi ussee turha chalaa jayega....yet.........phir koiee ayaa aray yaar -- naheen koiee naheeN....(Faiz murhoom (PBUH) se maazrut ke sath)

......chaltaa hooN thoRee dooor hur ek raah rau ke saath -- puh chaanta naheeN hooN abhi raahbur ko meiN.........it is Democracy that Pakistan needs -- not that Dumbo-crazy from Crawford Texas....

ALL:

interesting interactions i must say.

i wont mention the names who called our hopes as pathetic and ``why are you crying now;`` but just a thought that idealism can only act on a mass scale and military is acting upon the classic british strategy of divide and rule. the union of cause among the people is missing and junta is taking advantage of that. and on a human level, tell me my critiques, what`s the harm of pinning hopes on personalities? it happenes when the institutional system of governance has collapsed - and collapesed it has. trust me, i am not responsible for that. try seeing this hope from another angle: we had hopes on him and now we had the courage of admitting it and criticizing him too.

secondly, i would rather appreciate educated and academic exercise that is beyond the personal involvement of arguments as i mentioned in the beginning. it`s my concerted learning that people who indulge in personal-based commentary lack the intellectual depth. i have outgrown my habit of personality remarks and i would encourage all doing that too.

AND for my dear Indian friends: i do not mean to mud sling AT ALL but how did they feel when ``people elected`` mr. moodi blew the wind out of the great secular and plularistic image of huge inidan democracy? people are not that powerful in some situations and yes, people later voted BJP out but could this be the remedy to the victims of gujrat? would this bring the honor of raped women and lives of the dead people back? no. and i am sure, indian people didnt feel good what was happening in gujrat but they were helpless to watch it going on in front of their eyes. trust me, people are not powerful at times. so please try understanding the same very fact for the your pakistani neighbors.

FINALLY: hope is not wrong; blind following is!