The Nature of Time

Re: # 21

Mr. you do not need to have pity on me......because after sometimes or days you will need it.....then no one will give it to you back......neither me......so please have it for yourself for future....and i don`t think so having QURRAN PAK as a favourite book will d-grade my profile ...but if you think like this then you have lost your sense of houmor you need sycatrist and luckly one of my friend is sycatrist if you want me to contact her then no problem for me.....because atleast you will be able to get to know how to respect others.....

and if it was copy/paste techonlogy then atleast i made an attempt.......rather making comments on whatever has written so you better take a chill........and have kitkate with feeder and go to sleep.....time to your bed......baby
good night

and look at your choice......umrao jaan ada........dewanay ghalib your profile is making me laugh but i cannt because i don`t need any dr like you need so.......

Dear Mr. Jahangir,

I hope you return to your article to read this interact.

I am sorry to say but I am about 100% certain that what you have posted is not even 10% understood by you. You have simply used the technology of copy/paste with an addition of your name.

Your interacts are as dumb as they could have got. Your profile sucks, showing your favorite book to be `Quran Paak`, how disgusting. You don`t put a space after a full stop while the article you wrote had them.

I pitty you.

#18,aquaris: Thanks for the effort. Also, for #17.
#16,smartsyco: Now it is hardly smart, is n`t it! If you wanted to write on the significance 0f language which is obvious, why did you have to conflate it with a philosophical subject like time?
Then, if you did; you need to consider my #5, fourth paragrah.
Excuse me, all others, for I have touted para four enough. If Chowk is not interested, it is their right. I get the message!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT ABOUT THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH? I MEAN IN #5.

Could we switch from trivia? Please.

Nikki
.Le hace o le hace no `hace` nada en cama?. Apenas curioso.yo soy mudo y entiendo no su mente sumamente evolucionada que acabo de querer para obtener colocado y se olvida acerca del factor de tiempo de lo.el es no pertinente.

Was translated from Spanish to English via the Google translation service...



Le does or nothing in bed does not ` hacé to him. Hardly curioso.yo I am dumb and I understand not its mind extremely evolved that I finish wanting to obtain placed and one forgets about the time factor lo.el is nonpertinent.




LOL

and smartsyco


Don`t take it too hard...

This is chowk. and chowkies have a Mind of their own. and that is the beauty of It.

I bet Even if Mr Bush or Blair or Musharaf comes here... he will get the same...


..... maybe Nikki had a point.. Like the article being too Long......etc etc... etc...

First of all i would like to tell you.That you need some manners to criticize sorry for that but you need anyway now i come to the topic

Well as exist in language without language we are nothing.Simply suppose there isn`t any language which exist then what will you do?
how will you communicate?
how will you make yourself able to do any conversation

you just only be able to explain you but it will take hell of time

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..... Yes you are right....a frame of reference is needed.... Both in political term....and physical term...

... Like... I said. ..... Colin powel when says..... their objectives are chasing terrorists...... concealed beneath it... is their long term.. political objective.....
the world accepts it as a REALITY.... A super power reality..... Like you said...Or may be i misunderstood...

The second point about the physical frame of reference....
We Life in a system defined by Space-time ..... and though my own concept so far is not clear..... But I understand..... they both started.. at the same moment or simulteneously...
the path could be circular....like the hindu philospy.....you mentioned..

But my point is .. its still what we preceive.......
Another example.... Can a Fish know ... whats on Mount everest....for example..
Yes..... if she/he can be taken to the top of mount everest some how.... then it could see what up there.....
But there will be at least two limitations......
One..... its own concept of reality..... even if see it agrees to our concept of reality...
then . .. it will need some means to go up there. ... Like a water tight carrier full of water...... with some sort of glass to see through....
What if the Glass is coloured RED... or Blue....
is so.... then every thing that it will see will appear RED or Blue... even the Ice....which appear White to us... will appear ..... RED or Blue to it...
So the Fish`s reality will be different to ours... EVEN if it agrees to our reality...

Comming back to the two dimentioanl question...... you can... experiment it yourself...
Look at the car from front.... then from back or sideways... .. its shape will be different...
its only.... you place yourself.... at enough a distance.... where you can see.... atleast some partial view of atleast two dimentions of a CAR you can say what exactly is it shape..

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Nikki: No comprende! English, please.
Why do I feel that your response is not to my fourth paragraph!
I wish somebody would respond to that.

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To AQUARIS
i agree that reality is a product of frame of reference(though i could not understand your example) but yet there are some realities that we exist with...and that is a POLITICAL statement.....a sphere we (both in Pakistan and India) have allowed to be hijacked .........

But as for the nature of time ...it is a very philosophical question.....within Hindu philosophy there are many currents and one of them holds time to be circular...with numerous cycles within cycles.... a circularity so long (one philosopher tried to count it and ended up with mindboggling numbers) that the notion of circularity is lost......

Yet if we go beyond the mystical.... one has to look at the colonial experience....I live in Bombay a city that has numerous clock towers...in the heyday of the Bombay based textile industry these clocks and sirens served to create a disciplined workforce....imparting the notion of working hours and working days(ask anyone who leaves university life to work ...weekends assume an entirely different meaning)....a notion of time radically different from one in the countryside ....agrarian time or seasonal time .....which is governed by the crops (and which cuts across political boundaries...please notice that Basant is first and foremost an agrarian festival)....most of the Hindu festivals are infact agrarian in their origin.....unfortunately the unbashed consumerism that accompanies them today in urban India serves only to erase that...........and finally Time and History ....forthe latter cannot be withhout the former....a notion of time informs History....though there are varied notion ....but i will end with the words of the master ....Karl Marx with reference to Napoleon III ``History repeats itself, the first time as a tragedy and the second as a farce``....no prizes for guessing whom we could apply this to today.

To AQUARIS
i agree that reality is a product of frame of reference(though i could not understand your example) but yet there are some realities that we exist with...and that is a POLITICAL statement.....a sphere we (both in Pakistan and India) have allowed to be hijacked .........

But as for the nature of time ...it is a very philosophical question.....within Hindu philosophy there are many currents and one of them holds time to be circular...with numerous cycles within cycles.... a circularity so long (one philosopher tried to count it and ended up with mindboggling numbers) that the notion of circularity is lost......

Yet if we go beyond the mystical.... one has to look at the colonial experience....I live in Bombay a city that has numerous clock towers...in the heyday of the Bombay based textile industry these clocks and sirens served to create a disciplined workforce....imparting the notion of working hours and working days(ask anyone who leaves university life to work ...weekends assume an entirely different meaning)....a notion of time radically different from one in the countryside ....agrarian time or seasonal time .....which is governed by the crops (and which cuts across political boundaries...please notice that Basant is first and foremost an agrarian festival)....most of the Hindu festivals are infact agrarian in their origin.....unfortunately the unbashed consumerism that accompanies them today in urban India serves only to erase that...........and finally Time and History ....for the latter cannot be withhout the former....a notion of time informs History....though there are varied notion ....but i will end with the words of the master ....Karl Marx with reference to Napoleon III ``History repeats itself, the first time as a tragedy and the second as a farce``....no prizes for guessing whom we could apply this to today.

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adyapant

..... what you described as realities.....are conceptions not reality....
somewhere down the line.... even the advocate that particular line of thinking....
Like Colen Powel lying in the security council .... Knew... he is lying....... for him the only consideration is the result it will achieve for his country USA... perfectly in line with their policy.... what ever that may be....
So .... He is trying to portray something which is not reality.......But ....with the weight of a super power behind it.......making it an acceptable alternate....

....... ..If you still consider at an reality...then maybe.... this example would do....
.... supose there is a creature....which exist only in two dimentional space......that is his vision cannot comprehend the third dimension.... for him a CAR or any object will appear different.... every time....he enter the next two dimensional space.....Like if he views the car from front.... he will see....the Mudgaurd....frontscreen.... and front of tyres...etc..etc.....for him that will be reality.....
and he somehow manages to go sideways...and then views the car from side ways...
His reality will now be the doors.... round typres... door handles...and the side shape of the car...
Now that again is reality.........Then only if some how he manages...to synthesise these two views..... He will get another partial incomplete reality..... consisting of the front part and the side part...... ( still leaving.... the top...bottom...back....and the other side...
of the reality....of the CAR.....)
Similarly maybe Time provides us a somewhat broader view.....maybe still partial ...of reality.........composing of the starting point ...... somewhere in Past.....and then Present....... somewhere Midway.....in the actual reality.... Only ....when we reach the end......and have a synthesis of the whole process..... we can comprehend reality...