Hey JC, won’t you smile for me?

the life of rizwan ......

......... i just can`t get it out of my head ..... i am seriously thinking about writing the script ...... is anyone intrested ?.......... i am willing to risk life and limb if anyone shows just a little bit of interest........... all i need is a little bit of encouragement .......no?

hamidm #26: ``since romair asked the question - he is always asking silly questions! - here is the answer .........``

Perhaps a silly question, for you and me (or is it you and I). But don`t tell that to Kunta Kinte, who ended up a slave. Or Colin Powell, who got fired instead of Rummy. Or to Jesse Jackson, who would be voted in as President, in a hearbeat, if your Evangelist brothers in arms realized Jesus was Black.

Here is some info, on what he may have looked like:

``What did Jesus Look Like?
31-Dec-2002

He Was Not Blond

Israeli and British forensic anthropologists and computer programmers have recreated what they think Jesus might have looked like. He has a broad face, dark olive skin, short curly hair and a large nose. The researchers think he would have weighed 110 pounds and been 5-foot-1-inch tall. Their evidence is reported in this month`s issue of Popular Mechanics magazine. ``Using archaeological and anatomical science rather than artistic interpretation makes this the most accurate likeness ever created,`` says TV reporter Jean Claude Gragard. ``It isn`t the face of Jesus, because we`re not working with the skull of Jesus, but it is the departure point for considering what Jesus would have looked like.``

.....Medical artist Richard Neave and his team started with an Israeli skull from the 1st century AD. They used computer programs, clay, simulated skin and their knowledge about the Jewish people of that time to figure out the shape of the face and the color of eyes and skin. They determined his hair style from the Bible, where Paul says, “If a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him.” http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/index.html)

The site has a picture of the average Jewish person in that timeframe, based on the computer diagrams. Looks quite a bit different from the robed, tall, blond, that Michaelangelo painted, and which has become the standard portrait of Jesus. Gibson in his latest movie, deviated a bit, by giving Jesus black hair. But he still remained with the tall, white guy theory......

So he certainly wasn`t White. Either black (like Ethiopian Jews) or a dark-skinned Middle Eastern look..............

Manto, PM:

While we are discussing silly theories, did you hear that Jesus had learnt the art of Yoga and Pranayam during his claimed stay in India? According to this theory, he had mastered the ability to hold his breath for several days; this is what he did while at the cross and while buried underground.

re.Manto, #31: ``Jesus Christ died a normal death after escaping his cave like grave. ``
Really? Are u referring to the gospel of thomas?
waisey, from the accounts in the four `kosher` gospels, its actually clear that the whole resurrection, if not death, thingie was a farce. Okay.. it`s Christmas, so let`s be nice... scratch `farce` and replace with `symbolic` :)

``Jesus Christ died a normal death after escaping his cave like grave. There is enough evidence to suggest that. ``

What kind of evidence? In any case, requiring to escape from a grave is hardly a `normal` death...:-)

#39
You want non-white christians to get their rights, do you? How about starting in your own country? Us brown christians will gladly accept a blonde JC, in return for pakstani christians not being slaughtered like sheep, dispossesed from their homes and jailed for professing their faith. After that we can talk about Sanat Claus` skin colour.

Farzana,
It is good to see that Christ is being seen as a Human and everybody has a right to question and critically evaluate Christ or Buddha or Krishna without being threatened of getting killed. Imagine the hue and cry that would have been raised if Mohamad the Paranoid Megalomanaic was questioned and koran critically evaluated with the BS about Non-Muslims being Satan/Evil exposed with logic and critical reasoning.

Farzana, Will you write an article about Moahamad Parodying him as tribal Arab warrior who shot into limelight thanks to the ignorance and stupidity of the Arab tribes. If only the Arabs had the luxury of Psychiatrists or mental asylums, we needn`t have to deal with yet another parasitic virus, which has to convert everybody and make the whole world follow tribal arab beliefs and myths Un-questioningly. The good thing is humans of today have identified Hitler as paranoid Megalomanaic and not call him Prophet. Thanks to a more open world and much better communication systems.

It is only when Muslims start questioning Mohamad and tear him apart, like they have the license to tear apart Jesus or Krishna or Buddha, then a more open and progressive Islam will arise out of the introspection. But for some reason Muslims consider Mohamad to be ``Holier than thou`` even though they feel they have the right to tear apart jesus or krishna. That basic hypocrisy has to change. It will change. Just a matter of time. But we need open paths for that change.

Thanks.

The more I think about it, the more I am begining to realize how brainwashed all us non-White guys and ladies are.

Let`s leave Jesus and Santa aside, for a while.

Why is everyone on my favorite TV show, Star Trek, White? Barring the odd African-American (who wouldn`t be on the show, if he weren`t American). The Captains are all White (except the African-American guy on Deep Space Nine). The crew is 95% White, barring the odd exception in the form of a Korean or Japenese guy (who will never be Captain).

This would be bad enough, i.e the whole crew of the Enterprise is White with the odd American Black guy; and the odd chapta from Korea and Japan thrown in for diversity. What is worse is that the ship is filled with aliens. There are people from Vulcan and Klingon and God knows where else. But there is no one from Punjab, Sind or even from the best city in the world, Vereesh`s Delhi. There are guys from other planets named Spock and Wharf, but no one from Earth named Allah Rakha or Rsexana. Not even Hamidm or Urstruly or dost-mittar. Or Arjun_m, even.

And why aren`t there are Arabs on the ship? Why isn`t there someone named Saddam, or Osama on the ship? Or at least a Muhammad or Farzana?

The above, obviously, cannot be correct. Since in the next centuries, the world will consist primarily of Chinese and South Asians. We are the only communities who are breading like (or have alreaddy bred like) rabbits, while the White man`s birth rate is going negative. Yet, we will not be on the Enterprise. What the hell will we be doing in the 24th century? Still working at the local 7-Eleven or the local Szechuan Chinese Garden or the Vegetarian dhabba in Bangalore?

So the history of the world consisted of Blue-eyed, White skinned, blond haired Prophets and Santa Clauses, who ironically were born in the Middle East, amongst black and brown dark-haired people. And the future will consist of blond-haired, blue-eyed, white skinned space explorers, who will join hands with people from other planets (but not with people from the Asia or Africa on their own planet). And the only way you can get a side spot on the ship, is if you are Black guy who ended up in the White lands.


P.S. Not only are all the Captains White (except one, whose show no one watches), they all have blonde hair. Even though less than 10% of Americans are natural blondes.

There is one desi guy named Dr. Bashir on Deep Space Nine. Don`t know where he is Indian or Pakistani. Interestingly on the one show where the Captain is a Black guy.

Since we are on the subject, what about Santa Claus? Why is Santa Claus always a fat White elderly man? Why isn`t he Mexican? Or Chinese? Or maybe he looked like Jesse Jackson. Maybe he looked like PM and/or Ijaz Gul.

If you really think about it, he lives in the North Pole, or somewhere close by to the North Pole. The closest people to the North Pole are Eskimos, or Inuits (as they are called in Canada).

More than likely, Santa Claus looks like (or actually is) an Eskimo. He definitely could not have been an elderly version of a person with long blond hair, White skin and blue eyes.

The White man has us all brainwashed. Especially the non-White Christians. Its about time, they demanded their rights, and asked for Jesus and Santa to be shown in their true colors (no pun intended).

Pretty soon, they will be telling us that Jesus looked like George Bush and Sanata looked like Dick Cheney.........

I don`t know about Jesus, but I do know that Elvis is alive.

There was a survey in Britain, where people voted on who they thought had more influence on their lives. The choices were a) God b) David Beckham.

If I remember the results correctly, around 30% voted for David Beckham. I wonder how many would have voted for Elvis.

People react in a funny and hypocrite manner to such things as who portrayed what religious character. You`ll have a guy who has never gone to church screaming about who played Jesus (as) and you will have this guy who has never followed anything what Muhammad (saw) said, but will be the first one to react with anger when Muhammad`s (saw) character is assigned to a `sinning infidel`.

We`ve got far more important things to worry about with regards to religion than such petty issues.

But you know Farzana, I don`t think Jesus (as) would mind smiling at you if you called him JC. But at the time he is smiling all his disciples would be frowning.

The `Jesus is dead` theory is believed only by the small groups called ahmadis and the other called pervaizis (or Quraniyeen), both of which are considered non-muslims by the mainstream muslims. So, the Islamic view of Jesus (as) is that he did not die, and Quran has enough material to justify it and hadith confirms it too.

But, you can`t argue with such people. They want proof for everything. Tomorrow they might say that Jesus (as) never existed and was invented by Homer. And guess what, Jesus (as) would still smile.

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Jesus Christ died a normal death after escaping his cave like grave. There is enough evidence to suggest that. Apparently an important question in the Muslim World... is whether Jesus alive or dead? What can we say about the ``ummah`` then?

The Rationalists believe that he is dead, but they are an insignificant minority. But we find from the writings of ``islaaf`` that early Muslims probably didn`t believe that he is still alive.

The Tolu-e-Islam school of thought, based on Parvez`s teachings, from Lahore believes that not only is Jesus is dead... but he was not born of virgin birth either...

I am yet to find another Islamic school of thought with such a rational approach to religion.

Hey Farzana! Nice write up, if a little ummm.. long :-) and overreaching (Well, I mean Theiring`s thesis)
But I agree with her premise and this is just superb: ``“If the reading of it is a serious difficulty now, it is because the person of Jesus has been allowed to lose all humanity, contrary to the Church’s own desire to teach full humanity with divinity. It has rarely achieved such a balance for the natural reason that it is almost impossible to hold both concepts together.”

If you`re interested in further reading, there is Albert Nolan`s Jeus Before Christianity. Nolan is/was actually appointed head of the Doinican Order (he declined) and a well-known liberation theologian. He presents the (com)passionate view of Jesus and argues that his divinity is NOTHING without his humanity...

Have also come across the thesis that Jesus, in the `missing years` may well have gone to India, and learned a few tricks from gurus there. Certainly, there is much in his language that is congruous with Buddhist and Hindu philosophy and sound-bites.

Have you read or seen The Last Temptation of Christ? I thought it was a fantastic story! Or at least beautifully crafted.

re. Arjun_M @1:
But.. maybe he was! I mean, count the refernces to ``my beloved diciple``.. and he sure as hell didn`t mean Peter, on whom he decided to build his church yadda yadda...

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hmmm.. interesting article that, in #9.