Farzana Versey December 20, 2004
#1 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on December 20, 2004 8:59:15 pm
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#2 Posted by rsaxena on December 20, 2004 8:59:15 pm
ranting and rambling as usual...is chowk that desperate for pieces to publish?
#3 Posted by arjun_m on December 20, 2004 8:59:15 pm
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#4 Posted by halur on December 20, 2004 9:54:14 pm
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Good one that!
A very happy christmas to you, Farzana.
Good one that!
A very happy christmas to you, Farzana.
#5 Posted by Urstruly on December 21, 2004 6:07:33 am
I understand the irresistable urges to copy whiteman agnostics and atheists but why do we have to be so disrespectful towards religious figures, even if they are of other people. Why can`t brown agnostics have their own code of ethics. Why are they so incapable of ``free thinking``?
#6 Posted by kaka on December 21, 2004 6:40:50 am
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#7 Posted by jawahara on December 21, 2004 6:47:28 am
I enjoyed this Farzana. This image of the vulnerable Jesus who might have faltered and even questioned what his destiny asked of him is the reason I found The Last Temptation of Christ so powerful. Like most modern women I have also been fascinated by Mary Magdalene, especially the new interpretations and the knowledge that she went from being a decent woman to prostitute because of deliberate tamperings with the testament. Interesting!
I would image the continuing success of The Da Vinci Code also proves that the humanness of Jesus and his relationship with Mary totally enthralls people.
Of course, if JC (divine or not) was around he would be a long haired peacenik and would probably be hated by the religious right that takes his name all day along.
I would image the continuing success of The Da Vinci Code also proves that the humanness of Jesus and his relationship with Mary totally enthralls people.
Of course, if JC (divine or not) was around he would be a long haired peacenik and would probably be hated by the religious right that takes his name all day along.
#8 Posted by mumbaikar on December 21, 2004 6:54:53 am
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#9 Posted by hamidm2 on December 21, 2004 6:54:53 am
fv,
............... i am getting sick and tired of everyone picking on poor jc .......... film makers, archaeologists, historians, writers and other hucksters think it is okay to question poor jc`s paternity and dig into his sex life ........... look, like the rest of them, he too was a prophet and deserves some respect - or is he just chopped liver ? ........... now, why don` you run along and write something like ``hey mo, won`t you smile for me`` ? ........ i am sure that you can find plenty of material ........no? ....
............ remember, he died for us on the cross and `` his death will stand as a landmark in the continuing struggle to liberate the parentland from the hands of the Roman imperialist aggressors excluding those concerned with drainage, medecine, roads, housing, education, viniculture, and any other Romans contributing to the welfare of jews of both sexes, and hermaphrodites`` (brian)
............... i am getting sick and tired of everyone picking on poor jc .......... film makers, archaeologists, historians, writers and other hucksters think it is okay to question poor jc`s paternity and dig into his sex life ........... look, like the rest of them, he too was a prophet and deserves some respect - or is he just chopped liver ? ........... now, why don` you run along and write something like ``hey mo, won`t you smile for me`` ? ........ i am sure that you can find plenty of material ........no? ....
............ remember, he died for us on the cross and `` his death will stand as a landmark in the continuing struggle to liberate the parentland from the hands of the Roman imperialist aggressors excluding those concerned with drainage, medecine, roads, housing, education, viniculture, and any other Romans contributing to the welfare of jews of both sexes, and hermaphrodites`` (brian)
#10 Posted by jang on December 21, 2004 7:08:34 am
``As a woman, I find the idea of a male prophet who is vulnerable quite tantalising``
How about Satya Sai Baba or the Kanchi Seer? Are they tantalizing or they need to dead Prophets? In that case, would you dare or care to explore (with delicious pleasure offcourse) vulnerabilities of some other prophets?
start with using only initials to refer to the prophet .. baby steps.. (e.g. S.K Yadav for Bhagvan Shri Krishna, R.B.D for ram-bin-dashrath etc.).
thanks.
How about Satya Sai Baba or the Kanchi Seer? Are they tantalizing or they need to dead Prophets? In that case, would you dare or care to explore (with delicious pleasure offcourse) vulnerabilities of some other prophets?
start with using only initials to refer to the prophet .. baby steps.. (e.g. S.K Yadav for Bhagvan Shri Krishna, R.B.D for ram-bin-dashrath etc.).
thanks.
#11 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on December 21, 2004 7:12:41 am
Farzana
Merry Christmas - and Happy New Year
I wish we could discuss so comfortably about all the Prophets - they were all fallible humans.
nhk
#12 Posted by dost_mittar on December 21, 2004 7:39:22 am
Dear Farzana:
This is too deep for me! But I am glad that you chose to discuss JC as a human being. I believe that a discussion forum such as this should not hesitate to discuss the lives of all prophets and religious figures - dead or alive - especially if they are supposed to still serve as role models for us.
This is too deep for me! But I am glad that you chose to discuss JC as a human being. I believe that a discussion forum such as this should not hesitate to discuss the lives of all prophets and religious figures - dead or alive - especially if they are supposed to still serve as role models for us.
#13 Posted by kaurasach on December 21, 2004 10:31:58 am
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#14 Posted by Romair on December 21, 2004 10:56:25 am
I used to think sex and violence were the only things that sold. If one could not direct a good book or a good movie, add some sex and some violence to it. And it will definitely get a certain loyal audience. If Chowk were to today add some sex to this site, its hit count would go through the roof.
Now, I think another aspect needs to be added to it: religion. Sex, violence and religion sell. If one becomes a tele-evangelist like Fallwell, Israr and Benny Hinn, one can become a millionaire and even enter politics. And even be declared the next, ``savior.`` If on the other hand one can slanderize religion like Rushdie, Manji, and moviemakers from Holland, one can achieve the same, ``savior`` status with a different crowd.
Either Jerry Fallwell is going to save mankind or Salman Rushdie will. I am still waiting with my toes crossed. Why are all these, ``saviors`` so wealthy? Religion has served them well.
Back to the article: You have gone from BJP, to Vagina to J.C, in your writings. With these topics, you seem to have covered the violence, sex and religion spectrum, respectively and completely. It seems as though, ever since the demise of the BJP, you are running out of topics to write on. The easy way out is to get into writing about Vaginas and Prophets. But that is a slippery slope, since it relies more on controversy and less on content.
Perhaps it is time to start concentrating more on content, and less on, ``shock`` value. Articles outside of the BJP, female sexual parts, and religious entities would be greatly appreciated.
Now, I think another aspect needs to be added to it: religion. Sex, violence and religion sell. If one becomes a tele-evangelist like Fallwell, Israr and Benny Hinn, one can become a millionaire and even enter politics. And even be declared the next, ``savior.`` If on the other hand one can slanderize religion like Rushdie, Manji, and moviemakers from Holland, one can achieve the same, ``savior`` status with a different crowd.
Either Jerry Fallwell is going to save mankind or Salman Rushdie will. I am still waiting with my toes crossed. Why are all these, ``saviors`` so wealthy? Religion has served them well.
Back to the article: You have gone from BJP, to Vagina to J.C, in your writings. With these topics, you seem to have covered the violence, sex and religion spectrum, respectively and completely. It seems as though, ever since the demise of the BJP, you are running out of topics to write on. The easy way out is to get into writing about Vaginas and Prophets. But that is a slippery slope, since it relies more on controversy and less on content.
Perhaps it is time to start concentrating more on content, and less on, ``shock`` value. Articles outside of the BJP, female sexual parts, and religious entities would be greatly appreciated.
#15 Posted by HP on December 21, 2004 12:31:38 pm
``hey mo, won`t you smile for me``
Sometimes I think Hamidm is a prophet himself! But seriously why not? Why Muslims can’t have mo smile for them?
There are taboos in every religion but most of the time those taboos are generally shared through out all regions. But Islam has different meaning for different people if they live in different geographical environments.
There was a time in Iran when you can actually find prophet Mohammed’s picture. In fact, I have seen his pictures in many Iranian publications. Not only his picture, but also pictures of all Khalifas and other sundry religious figures.
I think some Arab countries do not have a problem with religious figures pictures. Ali’s pictures are commonly available in Iraq and I think in Jordon too.
In India and Pakistan, one of the many rules that cannot be bent, is the picture of the Prophet and his khalifa.
Some Islamic publications have described the physical attributes of Prophet in details and if you could describe such details in words then why not let an artist draw a picture that would probably closely resemble the prophet?
I heard that Islam places restrictions on Picture taking, drawing or painting. But when we can have pictures of all holy places displayed all over the town, when you can have all mullah demonstrate with Khana Kaaba on their shoulders, why would they object to pictures of some holy people?
How is it less respectful to look at the picture and more respectful when you don’t look at the picture?
#16 Posted by halur on December 21, 2004 12:31:39 pm
Post # 13.
Why is mockery so terrible ? It is a good thing for the human condition to have our prophets
knocked about and their clay feet shattered.
As one born into the christian faith I find nothing offensive about Farzana`s article.
Why is mockery so terrible ? It is a good thing for the human condition to have our prophets
knocked about and their clay feet shattered.
As one born into the christian faith I find nothing offensive about Farzana`s article.
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