Farzana Versey January 4, 2005
#17 Posted by nb on January 5, 2005 7:02:10 am
Farzana, since you ask, here`s a thought. A hundred years ago, medical researchers often performed experimental procedures on themselves. I wouldn`t put it past a researcher to get implants as part of a research project...I`m only half joking!
It`s interesting that in shows like Extreme Makeover where participants have cosmetic surgery, almost all women opt for implants. Whereas in the general population, women are more likely to have breast reduction procedures!
Please give me a hint about this well-known socialite............my ex-Bombayite radar`s buzzing.
Yes, warpster, any surgeon will warn you about breast feeding with breast implants. It is not some little-known fact.
It`s interesting that in shows like Extreme Makeover where participants have cosmetic surgery, almost all women opt for implants. Whereas in the general population, women are more likely to have breast reduction procedures!
Please give me a hint about this well-known socialite............my ex-Bombayite radar`s buzzing.
Yes, warpster, any surgeon will warn you about breast feeding with breast implants. It is not some little-known fact.
#16 Posted by FarzanaVersey on January 5, 2005 5:14:00 am
A request: If anyone is interested, I would appreciate that the full article be read, even if it might be a difficult/exhausting task.
#1 by kaurasach:
You answered your own query, “Is it that men like to talk to them? Or is it that she likes to thurst them in men`s face?” by saying, “Are we going to just talk about them? Or, Can I do something about them or to them?”
#2 by Rakapo$h:
[from vagina to penis and now breasts.. ?]
Now, you are imagining things…there was no article on the penis…do read the article and get back on this…it would be interesting.
#3 by Godot:
[from time immemorial, women have been seen as an object of beauty and desire by men while the other way round is not true; hence, women taking advantage of that.]
I see this a bit differently. People take advantage of the best resources available to them at any given time. Male pop stars, from Elvis to Mick Jagger to Ricky Martin to Eminem have used overt sexuality in their stage acts. Also, men in Hindi cinema are increasingly dropping their shirts, waxing their chests…they too are taking advantage of what is a ‘natural’ talent.
For me a Mallika Sherawat who is straightforward about her approach towards her own body is any day better than a Kareena Kapoor who makes it seem that an innocent act between lovers (kissing) is sinful, while she is ready to flaunt her assets for the whole world.
[Morality is a difficult one to tackle. Every culture and society has set its own values. What works in one culture/society does not work in another. Linda Lovelace is now married, has children, and evidently lives a normal life on Long Island. In how many cultures/societies would that have been possible?]
What you call morality, I would call a value system. In the latter you make choices depending on the social environment, not on a stratified ‘code’. You are right about cultural differences, but in this piece I have talked essentially about the standards applied to two sets of people within one culture: a starlet vs. an actress with backing; a woman who uses her assets for a cause vs. one who does it to support her kids and maybe a better standard of living.
#6 by teshah:
[The tragedy is the modern women now use their breasts for `show-sha` only and rarely for the pupose nature ordained for them.]
The sculptures of Ajanta were also for ‘show-sha’ only…if by purpose you are implying that fewer women are breast-feeding their children, then it was true a few years ago; there is a return to this and many other natural aspects. In India the main culprit was the multinational formula milk companies that created a more desirable alternative with disastrous consequences for not the well-off woman, but the slum-dweller etc. (I have scripted and help shoot an A/V on the subject, so I know what I am talking about…but that is not the theme here…)
#7 by mog:
[But what about Jackson Five lady who wardrobe malfunctioned for a few seconds to become the search engine hit of the last year?]
What does it prove? Even if it was a strategy, she was the one who employed it to further sex up her act…the hits on her search reveal more about such a society, less about her.
#8 by warpster:
Thanks for those articles although they are not “In best traditions of ccnp (chowk cutnpaste)”! Or am I not a traditionalist???
I have interacted with you before, so it would be nice to have your own opinions as well, should you wish to express them.
#10 by scout:
[the question in my mind is do we need to give these women the attention they`re begging for, negative or positive and doesn`t this attention cause something to stir in vulnerable minds, something that tells them it`s ok to achieve fame through such desperate and lowly measures
that is dangerous]
Vulnerable minds have already got attuned to girlie magazines…why would you think a Paris Hilton who had money and fame resorted to what might be termed “lowly measures”? Are women who cling to men, fully clothed, as trophy wives sending out the right messages?
What about the women parading naked in support of the ethical treatment of animals? Or the female senior citizens who posed nude for a calendar for a cause? I think this sort of brainwashing is far more dangerous.
PS: Hope you plan to visit FP more often…
#11 by mubakr:
[i felt sexually harrassed after reading it. now imagine a man talking about his penis and what kind of reaction he would get from the people reading about it. at times, i have really wondered if there would ever be a nude-painting of a man and why they have to do that with women only? OR is it some subliminal desire in women to keep getting exposed via different media of artistic expressions.]
There is nothing to imagine about a man talking about his penis…their obsession comes across in several ways. If you felt sexually harassed after reading this, think about what women go through…and FYI, there are nude paintings of men…Indian temple sculptures have given equal prime time to men as well as women. I just read that Michelangelo’s ‘David’ in Florence is going to be protected by jets of air…
Contemporary artists have used the male body…and male strip clubs aren’t exactly providing stimulus for discussing quantum physics.
Ras:
Welcome back! I can see the Karim’s hangover in your use of the word “delicious” here…
#1 by kaurasach:
You answered your own query, “Is it that men like to talk to them? Or is it that she likes to thurst them in men`s face?” by saying, “Are we going to just talk about them? Or, Can I do something about them or to them?”
#2 by Rakapo$h:
[from vagina to penis and now breasts.. ?]
Now, you are imagining things…there was no article on the penis…do read the article and get back on this…it would be interesting.
#3 by Godot:
[from time immemorial, women have been seen as an object of beauty and desire by men while the other way round is not true; hence, women taking advantage of that.]
I see this a bit differently. People take advantage of the best resources available to them at any given time. Male pop stars, from Elvis to Mick Jagger to Ricky Martin to Eminem have used overt sexuality in their stage acts. Also, men in Hindi cinema are increasingly dropping their shirts, waxing their chests…they too are taking advantage of what is a ‘natural’ talent.
For me a Mallika Sherawat who is straightforward about her approach towards her own body is any day better than a Kareena Kapoor who makes it seem that an innocent act between lovers (kissing) is sinful, while she is ready to flaunt her assets for the whole world.
[Morality is a difficult one to tackle. Every culture and society has set its own values. What works in one culture/society does not work in another. Linda Lovelace is now married, has children, and evidently lives a normal life on Long Island. In how many cultures/societies would that have been possible?]
What you call morality, I would call a value system. In the latter you make choices depending on the social environment, not on a stratified ‘code’. You are right about cultural differences, but in this piece I have talked essentially about the standards applied to two sets of people within one culture: a starlet vs. an actress with backing; a woman who uses her assets for a cause vs. one who does it to support her kids and maybe a better standard of living.
#6 by teshah:
[The tragedy is the modern women now use their breasts for `show-sha` only and rarely for the pupose nature ordained for them.]
The sculptures of Ajanta were also for ‘show-sha’ only…if by purpose you are implying that fewer women are breast-feeding their children, then it was true a few years ago; there is a return to this and many other natural aspects. In India the main culprit was the multinational formula milk companies that created a more desirable alternative with disastrous consequences for not the well-off woman, but the slum-dweller etc. (I have scripted and help shoot an A/V on the subject, so I know what I am talking about…but that is not the theme here…)
#7 by mog:
[But what about Jackson Five lady who wardrobe malfunctioned for a few seconds to become the search engine hit of the last year?]
What does it prove? Even if it was a strategy, she was the one who employed it to further sex up her act…the hits on her search reveal more about such a society, less about her.
#8 by warpster:
Thanks for those articles although they are not “In best traditions of ccnp (chowk cutnpaste)”! Or am I not a traditionalist???
I have interacted with you before, so it would be nice to have your own opinions as well, should you wish to express them.
#10 by scout:
[the question in my mind is do we need to give these women the attention they`re begging for, negative or positive and doesn`t this attention cause something to stir in vulnerable minds, something that tells them it`s ok to achieve fame through such desperate and lowly measures
that is dangerous]
Vulnerable minds have already got attuned to girlie magazines…why would you think a Paris Hilton who had money and fame resorted to what might be termed “lowly measures”? Are women who cling to men, fully clothed, as trophy wives sending out the right messages?
What about the women parading naked in support of the ethical treatment of animals? Or the female senior citizens who posed nude for a calendar for a cause? I think this sort of brainwashing is far more dangerous.
PS: Hope you plan to visit FP more often…
#11 by mubakr:
[i felt sexually harrassed after reading it. now imagine a man talking about his penis and what kind of reaction he would get from the people reading about it. at times, i have really wondered if there would ever be a nude-painting of a man and why they have to do that with women only? OR is it some subliminal desire in women to keep getting exposed via different media of artistic expressions.]
There is nothing to imagine about a man talking about his penis…their obsession comes across in several ways. If you felt sexually harassed after reading this, think about what women go through…and FYI, there are nude paintings of men…Indian temple sculptures have given equal prime time to men as well as women. I just read that Michelangelo’s ‘David’ in Florence is going to be protected by jets of air…
Contemporary artists have used the male body…and male strip clubs aren’t exactly providing stimulus for discussing quantum physics.
Ras:
Welcome back! I can see the Karim’s hangover in your use of the word “delicious” here…
#15 Posted by fnahmad on January 5, 2005 12:02:58 am
Let’s never talk to women’s private parts again highly annoying and obnoxious.
#14 Posted by Jahil on January 4, 2005 11:44:57 pm
Gross reflections of attaining power… Man or woman… the lust is always there. Not just sexually or for money.. it’s the urge for power that makes us do what we might not do otherwise.
Well I remember a lady judge being appointed in our district courts some 4-5 years ago. It was her first appoint as a judge and she was deputed in her home town which is a big city and judges use all their resources to get appointed there. Well it was quite surprising for all of us so one of our colleagues mentioned it in front of the honorable lady and said that Mam you must be having good “SIFARISH” that you got your first appointment in your own city and to our amusement the lady replied…..
“maere sifarish to maeray sath lagi hoi hay… I don’t need any other sifarish”
Now that was plucky….
Yahya Jamil-Ul-Haq talks about branding nations.. I guess men should also enter the competition and start thinking of some part of their body to be branded in a manner that it can be exposed to be used as their “sifarish”… I hope I’m not being mean ...
Well I remember a lady judge being appointed in our district courts some 4-5 years ago. It was her first appoint as a judge and she was deputed in her home town which is a big city and judges use all their resources to get appointed there. Well it was quite surprising for all of us so one of our colleagues mentioned it in front of the honorable lady and said that Mam you must be having good “SIFARISH” that you got your first appointment in your own city and to our amusement the lady replied…..
“maere sifarish to maeray sath lagi hoi hay… I don’t need any other sifarish”
Now that was plucky….
Yahya Jamil-Ul-Haq talks about branding nations.. I guess men should also enter the competition and start thinking of some part of their body to be branded in a manner that it can be exposed to be used as their “sifarish”… I hope I’m not being mean ...
#13 Posted by HP on January 4, 2005 11:44:57 pm
Godot,
“Linda Lovelace is now married, has children, and evidently lives a normal life on Long Island. In how many cultures/societies would that have been possible?”
Many in Pakistani movie Industry have a happy family life after a long career in seedy side of the Industry.
Deep Throat came out long before many here were even born. I never saw the movie but I have heard that it was a pioneering movie.
Do you know what is common between Linda Lovelace and Bermuda Triangle?
#12 Posted by Nadia_Zehra on January 4, 2005 11:44:57 pm
It reminds me of a funny picture, in which a blonde was posing with her bulges. Interesting thing written on Tshirt was:
``Wish They were Brains``
``Wish They were Brains``
#11 Posted by scout on January 4, 2005 9:55:39 pm
the question in my mind is do we need to give these women the attention they`re begging for, negative or positive and doesn`t this attention cause something to stir in vulnerable minds, something that tells them it`s ok to achieve fame through such desperate and lowly measures
that is dangerous
that is dangerous
#10 Posted by mubakr on January 4, 2005 9:55:39 pm
i felt sexually harrassed after reading it. now imagine a man talking about his penis and what kind of reaction he would get from the people reading about it. at times, i have really wondered if there would ever be a nude-painting of a man and why they have to do that with women only? OR is it some subliminal desire in women to keep getting exposed via different media of artistic expressions.
just imagine a man talking about his penis...again!
just imagine a man talking about his penis...again!
#9 Posted by warpster on January 4, 2005 8:08:47 pm
In best traditions of ccnp (chowk cutnpaste)
TAMPA, Florida (AP) -- Radio giant Clear Channel Communications has come under fire from women`s health advocates over a Christmas contest in which stations granted breast enlargement surgeries to women in four cities.
In the ``Breast Christmas Ever`` contest, 13 women were awarded the procedure after writing essays to the stations explaining why they wanted larger breasts. A Tampa station claimed to receive more than 91,000 entries.
Clear Channel said it had nothing to do with the contest and that it was a decision by local station managers to hold the promotion. The contest was aired on Clear Channel stations in Tampa, Jacksonville, St. Louis and Detroit.
The contest has drawn the ire of both the National Research Center for Women & Families and the National Organization for Women. NOW has urged its supporters to file complaints with the Federal Communications Commission against Clear Channel and its stations.
The controversy comes within months of Clear Channel paying a record $1.75 million fine to resolve indecency complaints against New York-based shock jock Howard Stern, Tampa radio personality ``Bubba the Love Sponge`` and others. The station formally agreed to ``clean up its act,`` FCC Chairman Michael Powell said in June.
While neither women`s group is alleging the breast surgery contest violated decency standards, they are complaining the contest promotes potentially dangerous surgery and leaves its winners with no legal remedies should the surgery go awry. Under the rules, winners must be at least 18 and sign a waiver protecting the company from all liability claims.
``I try not to be judgmental about whether a large radio station should be giving away free toys to children instead of free breast augmentation,`` said Diana Zuckerman, president of the National Research Center for Women & Families, a health advocacy organization.
NOW is urging the public to send e-mails to Clear Channel and the FCC to complain about what it considers a ``degrading and unethical contest.`` About 3,400 messages have been sent to the FCC and Clear Channel, NOW said Monday.
Jennifer Gery, a spokeswoman for Clear Channel, said the company had no oversight of the contests and didn`t sponsor them.
``There is no reason to be concerned because it`s not a Clear Channel-sponsored contest, Gery said. ``We empower our local manager to make programming decisions.``
David Fiske, a spokesman for the FCC, said the agency does not regulate the content of radio station contests unless it violates decency standards. The FCC only requires radio stations to conduct contests exactly by the stated rules and to fully disclose the terms of the contest.
NOW has been active in lobbying the Food and Drug Administration against the marketing of silicone breast implants and has an ongoing ``Love Your Body`` campaign aimed at countering what it says are unrealistic body images promoted in the entertainment industry.
[another example of NOW being out of touch with what women really want]
TAMPA, Florida (AP) -- Radio giant Clear Channel Communications has come under fire from women`s health advocates over a Christmas contest in which stations granted breast enlargement surgeries to women in four cities.
In the ``Breast Christmas Ever`` contest, 13 women were awarded the procedure after writing essays to the stations explaining why they wanted larger breasts. A Tampa station claimed to receive more than 91,000 entries.
Clear Channel said it had nothing to do with the contest and that it was a decision by local station managers to hold the promotion. The contest was aired on Clear Channel stations in Tampa, Jacksonville, St. Louis and Detroit.
The contest has drawn the ire of both the National Research Center for Women & Families and the National Organization for Women. NOW has urged its supporters to file complaints with the Federal Communications Commission against Clear Channel and its stations.
The controversy comes within months of Clear Channel paying a record $1.75 million fine to resolve indecency complaints against New York-based shock jock Howard Stern, Tampa radio personality ``Bubba the Love Sponge`` and others. The station formally agreed to ``clean up its act,`` FCC Chairman Michael Powell said in June.
While neither women`s group is alleging the breast surgery contest violated decency standards, they are complaining the contest promotes potentially dangerous surgery and leaves its winners with no legal remedies should the surgery go awry. Under the rules, winners must be at least 18 and sign a waiver protecting the company from all liability claims.
``I try not to be judgmental about whether a large radio station should be giving away free toys to children instead of free breast augmentation,`` said Diana Zuckerman, president of the National Research Center for Women & Families, a health advocacy organization.
NOW is urging the public to send e-mails to Clear Channel and the FCC to complain about what it considers a ``degrading and unethical contest.`` About 3,400 messages have been sent to the FCC and Clear Channel, NOW said Monday.
Jennifer Gery, a spokeswoman for Clear Channel, said the company had no oversight of the contests and didn`t sponsor them.
``There is no reason to be concerned because it`s not a Clear Channel-sponsored contest, Gery said. ``We empower our local manager to make programming decisions.``
David Fiske, a spokesman for the FCC, said the agency does not regulate the content of radio station contests unless it violates decency standards. The FCC only requires radio stations to conduct contests exactly by the stated rules and to fully disclose the terms of the contest.
NOW has been active in lobbying the Food and Drug Administration against the marketing of silicone breast implants and has an ongoing ``Love Your Body`` campaign aimed at countering what it says are unrealistic body images promoted in the entertainment industry.
[another example of NOW being out of touch with what women really want]
#8 Posted by warpster on January 4, 2005 8:08:47 pm
A warning to would be mothers (who intend to breast feed)
Can I Breast-Feed with Breast Implants?
Frequently Asked Questions
Breast implants may interfere with your ability to successfully breast-feed. With respect to the ability to successfully breast-feed after breast implantation, one study reported up to 64% of women with implants who were unable to breast feed compared to 7% without implants. The periareolar incision site may significantly reduce the ability to successfully breast-feed.
At this time it is not known if a small amount of silicone may diffuse (pass through) from the saline breast implant silicone shell and may find its way into breast milk. If this occurs, it is not known what effect it may have on the nursing infant. Although there are no current methods for detecting silicone levels in breast milk, a study measuring silicon (one component in silicone) levels did not indicate higher levels in breast milk from women with silicone-filled gel implants when compared to women without implants.
Can I Breast-Feed with Breast Implants?
Frequently Asked Questions
Breast implants may interfere with your ability to successfully breast-feed. With respect to the ability to successfully breast-feed after breast implantation, one study reported up to 64% of women with implants who were unable to breast feed compared to 7% without implants. The periareolar incision site may significantly reduce the ability to successfully breast-feed.
At this time it is not known if a small amount of silicone may diffuse (pass through) from the saline breast implant silicone shell and may find its way into breast milk. If this occurs, it is not known what effect it may have on the nursing infant. Although there are no current methods for detecting silicone levels in breast milk, a study measuring silicon (one component in silicone) levels did not indicate higher levels in breast milk from women with silicone-filled gel implants when compared to women without implants.
#7 Posted by mog on January 4, 2005 7:09:22 pm
Breats may come,
Breasts may go,
Some are good,
Some are bad,
For each pair,
Let`s be glad.
Mallika`s breasts are fine. But what about Jackson Five lady who wardrobe malfunctioned for a few seconds to become the search engine hit of the last year? So there is no logic to jiggles and nipples. That is what I am thinking.
Rest of article I am trying to, ah, get a grip on.
Breasts may go,
Some are good,
Some are bad,
For each pair,
Let`s be glad.
Mallika`s breasts are fine. But what about Jackson Five lady who wardrobe malfunctioned for a few seconds to become the search engine hit of the last year? So there is no logic to jiggles and nipples. That is what I am thinking.
Rest of article I am trying to, ah, get a grip on.
#6 Posted by bharatvaasi on January 4, 2005 6:01:11 pm
plenty godot. In India in recent memory we have had Vyjayantimala (from a devadasi background), and if I am not mistaken the mangeskars were also from a similar back ground (could be wrong here but not wrong of Vyjayantimala) . In the south you had Rekha`s mum et al.
really the transition is there. But the question is degree of notoreity here. Linda Lovelace was a pretty smooth operator and there was not much of serious mud clinging on to her. Most others have not fared this well.
really the transition is there. But the question is degree of notoreity here. Linda Lovelace was a pretty smooth operator and there was not much of serious mud clinging on to her. Most others have not fared this well.
#5 Posted by teshah on January 4, 2005 6:01:11 pm
farzana
You are wonderful, a woman (?)talking so candidly about sex and its body weapons. Men are attached to penis and women to breasts. Both these `protrusions`get errected and produce `milk`, the life giving liquid, the former doing so in a rather more condensed form. So let them talk in a speachless language as they are the pinnacles of life as depicted wonderfully in Ajunta. The tragedy is the modern women now use their breasts for `show-sha` only and rarely for the pupose nature ordained for them.
You are wonderful, a woman (?)talking so candidly about sex and its body weapons. Men are attached to penis and women to breasts. Both these `protrusions`get errected and produce `milk`, the life giving liquid, the former doing so in a rather more condensed form. So let them talk in a speachless language as they are the pinnacles of life as depicted wonderfully in Ajunta. The tragedy is the modern women now use their breasts for `show-sha` only and rarely for the pupose nature ordained for them.
#4 Posted by Ras on January 4, 2005 6:00:52 pm
FV,
another delicious piece of writing!
Karims was excellent.
Ras
#3 Posted by Rakaposh on January 4, 2005 2:51:15 pm
farzana,
from vagina to penis and now breasts.. ?
what is next on the list ?
balls ? :)
and yes I havent read the article yet. but will.
from vagina to penis and now breasts.. ?
what is next on the list ?
balls ? :)
and yes I havent read the article yet. but will.
#2 Posted by Godot on January 4, 2005 2:51:15 pm
Farzana
You are shooting arrows in too many directions (I felt dizzy trying to follow all those arrows.) However, from all this shooting, two distinct and separate arrows emerge: why women are perceived differently than men, and morality (use sex to support a child.)
My view for the first one is that because, from time immemorial, women have been seen as an object of beauty and desire by men while the other way round is not true; hence, women taking advantage of that.
Morality is a difficult one to tackle. Every culture and society has set its own values. What works in one culture/society does not work in another. Linda Lovelace is now married, has children, and evidently lives a normal life on Long Island. In how many cultures/societies would that have been possible?
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