Neither Enlightened nor Moderate

Mr. Musharraf`s ``elingtenment`` came from a word ``Illumination``. Which is used by the eiltes of power known as ``Illuminati``

He`s simply a dumb pawn in a much more complicated ``grand chess board``.

I am completely with Musharraf on this one. The establishment has never before met Pakistan`s problems head on. There is always chaos before order, and this is that chaos. Enlightened moderation isnt a term to be applied everywhere. It`s a concept coined to make the world think better of us. There are some supreme extremists in Pakistan, but they are not just the Islamists, the seculars are extremist too. How can you make such sweeping statements? No, Mushy is right, and it`s showing with Gawadar (to say the least).

#65 by omar_r_quraishi

[no it doesnt you VHP/RSS/Bajrang Dal-loving moron -- what it means is if he is so dying to see whether dawn or other pakistani papers wrote anything on this then he should make the effort to at least first see the papers himself instead of asking other people for links.]

There goes Mullah Omar again!! You have wasted one more interact without actually answering echo. Why don’t you just fess up instead of beating around the bush? That will make life easier for you.

shri harry potter jee: ``Mullah Omar, you could have used this post to provide the link echo was asking for. The fact that you didn`t proves that Dawn didn`t carry that news item.``

no it doesnt you VHP/RSS/Bajrang Dal-loving moron -- what it means is if he is so dying to see whether dawn or other pakistani papers wrote anything on this then he should make the effort to at least first see the papers himself instead of asking other people for links

nhk saab, thanks but please try and get my name right -- its Omar R. Quraishi

Nighat

You are right.

Musharraf`s Government has chickened out and gotten under the Mulla blackmail to insert religion column in Passport. Next they will be clamouring about the Agha Khan board.

Omar R Quereshi

That was a good and a timely editorial in Dawn today on the subject.

nhk

#61 by omar_r_quraishi

[echo boom r u for real ???]

Mullah Omar, you could have used this post to provide the link echo was asking for. The fact that you didn`t proves that Dawn didn`t carry that news item.

and this is what leaders who cherish honour, dignity, and self-respect do. They value their own language, their own culture, their own religion, and above all their own people over any other

But then there are our Ba Ba Blacksheep bleating in chorus thus:

B for Blair, B for Bush ; dovaan neiN mairee sarkaar
Nothing else do I need now; Ikko ``B`` minoo Darkaar

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echo boom r u for real ???

#59:
It is your paper O bhUngee. If I am claiming I did not see it or couldn`t find that news item is it not your duty to print it here to convince me rather than hemming & hawing.

Does anyone know the reason why this news was not reported by any other major newspaper in Pakistan?

Omar Qureishi? Any job-losing, yet ba-zameer, answer?

a href=``http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_20-3-2005_pg1_3``

Musharraf’s Bahawalpur rally: 2 killed in stampede

Omar:52
Pakistan Times reported the event but NOT the incident. Did `Dawn`` report in a similar
manner ?

Again, please redeem yourself by giving link which specifically highlghts the news which reports the STAMPEDE , people killed, and the police brutalities to keep the crowd in by force to listen to the Moose whos goose is now cooked.

err echoboom -- u surely can read english cant u -- i clearly said the pakistani press including DAWN reported the figures -- as for my redemption in front of you or anyone else on chowk i think i can pass since i have better things to do than to provide links -- in any case given your dexterity with scouring the south asian press, i am quite surprised that you missed these reports -- also if you know how to use dawn`s website or even google, it shouldnt be too much of a problem finding the reports that i am talking about --

shri arjun jee

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> jai ram jee kee arjun jee, jai ram jee ke :)

AoA!

The writer talks about doing cost-benefit analysis of the current messianic tenure.
Here underneath I post one part of it.

Then, to the interlocutors who demanded a counter list of invisible positive features of the democratic dispensation before putting up one such list for the moderate enlightenment, I would like to say:

Dear brothers, we all already know very well the real worth of civilians in general and politicians in particular. This lesson has been forced into both our conscious and sub-conscious for last 40 years through our 9 holes. Its time to put the record straight vis a vis generals.

Exactly like Saddam Hussein vs. USA. We know that Saddam Hussein always had his torture cells. What the USA never admitted before nor want to confess now is that even the U.S. too have its many Abu Ghraibs, custodial deaths etc.

Can you see the difference? Are you getting my point? Those sitting on high pedestals must come up with a slightly better standard.

Please, make up your mind … are we comparing thieves with thieves, kuttas with kuttas (politicians vs. generals) OR is it a match between robbers and saints.
If both are equal than there is nothing to argue about … but please, don’t claim sainthood while pimping. Ok!!??

Musharraf’s 41 foreign visits until 2004 cost over Rs 658m
By Ansar Abbasi
http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/mar2005-daily/22-03-2005/metro/i8.htm

ISLAMABAD: President Gen Musharraf has undertaken 41 official visits abroad, touring at least 71 countries since June 2000 till December 2004. This has cost taxpayers more than Rs 658 million.
According to information available with the Foreign Ministry, expectedly, the United States has been the most toured country by the president — Musharraf visited the country nine times during four-and-a-half years. However, there are no details available with regard to the purpose of these visits or objectives achieved.
The information shows that during the last seven months of the year 2000, Musharraf proceeded on six foreign visits, including seven countries. The break-up: Iran and Oman from June 9-12 with a 20-member entourage, costing the national exchequer Rs 6.2m; Saudi Arabia from June 17-19 with an eight-member entourage costing Rs 0.54m; US from September 9-14 with a 23-member party costing Rs 12m; Kazakhstan from November 6-7 with a 20-member entourage costing Rs 6.1m; Qatar from November 11-24 with a 26-member delegation costing Rs 3.3m; United Arab Emirates on December 11 with a seven-member entourage costing Rs 0.4m.
In 2001, Musharraf made eight foreign trips, including 13 countries. The break-up: Jordan, Syria and Lebanon from January 7-10 with a 23-member entourage costing Rs 8.1m; Egypt from February 24-26 with a 24-member party, costing Rs 8.2m; Saudi Arabia from February 28 to March 7 with a 22-member outfit, costing Rs 8.2m; Myanmar and Hanoi from May 1-5 with a 2- member delegation, costing Rs 10.3m; India from July 14-16, with a 31-member entourage, costing Rs 8.5m; US for the UN Summit from September 19-28 with a 25-member entourage (expenditure not shown); United Kingdom, US/France from November 7-12 with a 22-member entourage costing Rs 45m; and visit to China from December 20-24 with 29- member party costing Rs 13.1m.
In 2002, the president paid 12 official visits covering 18 world capitals. These include Nepal from January 3-4 with a 21-member entourage costing the public kitty Rs 35.6m; US from February 9-14 with a 32-member outfit, costing Rs 19.3m; Japan from March 12-15 with a 26-member entourage, costing Rs 25.8m; Afghanistan on April 2 with 26-member delegation costing Rs 34,189; Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco from May 15-21 with a 26-member party (expenditure not shown); Tajikistan and Kazakhstan from June 2-5 with a 3-member delegation, costing Rs 14.2m; UAE and Saudi Arabia from June 10-12 with a 26-member outfit costing Rs 8.6m; Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and China from July 29 to August 2 with a 31- member entourage, costing Rs 26.3m; US from November7-18 with a 21- member party, costing Rs 43.2m; Turkey from October 13-15 with a 20- member delegation, costing Rs 9.7m; Saudi Arabia from October 29-30 with a 22-member outfit, costing Rs 7.8m; and Turkmenistan from December 26-27 with a seven-member delegation (expenditure not shown).
In 2003, Musharraf undertook eight official foreign visits including 15 countries. The break-up: Russian Federation (Moscow) from February 4-6 with a 26-member entourage, costing Rs 21.1m; Malaysia from February20-25 with a 32-member entourage costing Rs 22.7m; Saudi Arabia from June 11-13 with a 23-member party, costing Rs 7.4m; the US, the UK, Germany and France from June 17 to July 4 with 33 members, costing Rs 17.2m; Tunisia, Algeria and Rabat from July 14-19 with 28 members, costing Rs 28.3m; the US and Canada from September 20-25 with 28 members, costing Rs 38.4m; Malaysia to attend OIC Summit from October15-19 with 47 members, costing Rs 33.4m; and China and Korea from November 1-7 with 35 members (expenditure not shown).
Last year, Musharraf proceeded on seven official visits, including 19 countries. The break-up: Turkey and Switzerland from January 19-24 with a 42-member entourage, costing Rs 29.2m; Saudi Arabia from March 6-7with a 33-member party, costing Rs 12.8m; Sweden, Finland, Azerbaijan and Turkey from July 4-12 with a 38-member entourage, costing Rs 31m; US, The Netherlands and Italy from September 19-30 with a 41-member entourage costing Rs 60.7m; UAE on November 3 with a 23- member party costing Rs 5.1m; Afghanistan on November 6 with a 30- member outfit, costing Rs 35,272; and Morocco, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, the UK, France and the US from November 26 to December 9 with a 48- member entourage, costing Rs 30.7m.

shiv sena homos
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/images/I50341-2005Mar19

is that you arjun??

Re: # 53
you`re so right omar. mind you, notice how when shri hashish and his spineless cohort shri arjun bash pakistan for `71 in response to gujrat, they are quick to shift blame, but never themselves deny or regret what happened in gujrat as a horror unparalled in recent human history. their RSS brothers, who borrow nazi ideology and are unabashedly proud of it, are no less half men then they are themselves. its a waste of time to argue with fundos like themselves. and yes, shri arjun, as i said, we`ll see who`s on the end of a leash when the time comes.

damn....echoboom is my wingman against mullah omar...

it IS a bizzaro world....

Omar:52
Pakistan Times reported the event but NOT the incident. Did `Dawn`` report in a similar
manner ?

Again, please redeem yourself by giving link which specifically highlghts the news which reports the STAMPEDE , people killed, and the police brutalities to keep the crowd in by force to listen to the Moose whos goose is now cooked.

Do you have any Zameer to do something that`ll cost you your ``feeling-foreignish`` job?

and shri harry potter and shri arjun jee -- thanks for reminding me just how much a waste of time interacting on chowk can be with its dominant RSS/BJP/VHP brigade -- and how one should minimize such time --

and oh btw sorry that your idol modi ka visa refuse ho gya -- i suppose he wont be able to meet you all at -- what was it, the indian american hotels association right --

:)