Wapsi (The Returning)

re: Cayenne`s post
``You`re probably working 16 hours a day, given graveyard shifts, condescended and patronised by even reception staff, and paid one half of what your white counterpart gets.If you were a doctor in India, you would be having a better quality of life, paid better and opportunities for foreign travel abound in India now in all professional fields. ``
As Stuka said, you are an entertaining guy.
Sridhar

Re: # 239
kardesh
although you seem to be more knowledgable than the usual koran crowd here, you
seem to have some large gaps in your knowledge. One for example is the aryan
invasion theory. This theory is bogus and does not even a have shred of evidence, in
the enormous literature of the sub continent, that talks about everything under sun
excpet for an important invasion that supposedly took place. You can start here
to get updated on this important issue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_invasion

I enjoy your writing, keep it coming

Sridhar, so Harimau came up with the phrase ``code coolies``? Does it mean you have to use it?

For some reason you felt that I deserved to see the AIDS epidemic problem in India. I don`t get you. I am not singing praises of India and running down the US.

My objection has been to your utter lack of respect for other professions.

So, you didn`t call Manto`s family names. That is very good of you. I have not done that either. But unlike you I haven`t called gujju`s father names.

240 by stuka on April 20, 2005 10:19am PT
Cayenne Penis Breath:


............You should be lucky that ``Aha`` the PC police is prowling this site like a catholic priest doing the night rounds in an all boys boarding school.Or else, i will add many adjectives to your name too.As far as your hot air, saturday i was pulled over by a police man for running a red light.Police now have high speed bikes, so even as i tried to speed away , i was pulled over.I wasn`t hit, slapped or any of the things you said.He walked by my car window calmly told me that it was either the 350 rupee fine (he took out his ticket book while he was saying this), or a 100 rupees and it was my choice!!!.100 rupees it was.I was speeding by and all this was a blur.India is changing.The police are friendly and go through sensitivity training nowadays before they get their badges.And, they are nice to well dressed, good looking men in cars.

As far as my `vehemance` etc., absolutely none.The call center kids speak better `american` than the smelly lalas who board the plane from the US.RSridhar made a derogatory remark., `code coolies` that set me off.The world is changing and urban india is not unlike anywhere in the west.One can earn well, live well and enjoy all the comforts of modern existence right here in our own backyard.All this smug airs of superiority acquired by indians in the US is just all that and more.HOT AIR.If only you guys were honest , you would admit it and be normal, and you wouldn`t invite comments from others.

Re: # 245
Cayenne,
I wonder if my fiancee snores? That`s the problem with these marriages where you don`t get to live together for a few years. I better renew my commitment for DSL service.

#244 by kardesh on April 20, 2005 12:56pm PT
Re: # 243
So the Mrs snores like a truck and a truck driver? No wonder, you are escaping to the ``virtual office....


......I am impressed!!!.You should be a detective!!.She really snores man,more than a decade i have endured it.Good woman.So, i ignore.I have to respond to the pudgy punjabi gentleman (interact#240)before i sleep.He fantasizes about shoving `his boot halfway up my arse` as he so delicately puts it.I better put him out of his misery soon or he might suffer a heart attack, so i will bid adieu.

Re: # 243
Cayenne,
I am drooling at the quality of your life and how little it costs to have it. If the dance bars are reopened, will you then turn off the ``fashion TV?`` Rs 170 pp - I am impressed. So the Mrs snores like a truck and a truck driver? No wonder, you are escaping to the ``virtual office.`` Also, the snoring probably precludes your need to ``mute`` the porn. Good thinking.
Cayenne, the more I hear from you the more I look up to you. Forget this Indo/Pak rivalry nonsense and Lahori Dunking Donuts, I am starting to appreciate Mumbai and its Chandni Bars. I do hope they clean up Grant Road a bit - its kind of a turn off. Once feels that one is in Catman Do or Catman Don`t. :)

242 by kardesh on April 20, 2005 10:36am PT
Re: # 241. {``cayene rocks! kardesh unfortunately is turning ghisa-pita.``}

......The Mrs. snores like a TATA truck.It`s the truth.Petite woman, but snores like a truck driver when she sleeps.Maybe that`s why i stay up late in front of the screen!!!.Went to a bar , had ``draught`` beer, chilli chicken, fish cutlets and onion/chili peanuts.Two draught beers for me, whisky for my friends.We split the bill, 170 rupees per person, three of us.Why would anyone live anywhere else?.The bar had ``fashion tv`` on the tube, showing scantily clad women , some of them topless walking up and down ramps.Closest thing to porn for the janta.This channel comes with basic service, 100 rupees a month for 40 odd channels.Glimpses of life in Bharat.INDIA ROCKS.Now, if only that Sardar can get the Supreme Court to reopen the dance bars, life will be good.Trust a sardar to become the president of the Mumbai Dance Bars Association!!!.Chuckle.What would india be without them?.....Grant road??.Reminds you of the good old days , when you used to go a-cruising near Two-Tank???.....memories>>>

Re: # 241. {``cayene rocks! kardesh unfortunately is turning ghisa-pita.``}

I agree with you, my ``friend.`` How can anyone compete with Mumbai Chandni Bars, 24x7x365 electricity, incomparable ambidexterity, high-speed DSL, late night porn, and a snoring Mrs?

cayene rocks! kardesh unfortunately is turning ghisa-pita.

Cayenne Penis Breath:

When you picture me, you should think of a boot lodged half way up your arse. Its funny though, I picture you as a skinny ghati logging on to a dial up connection in Ghatkopar jerking off over some Jenny McCartney videos. LOL!!

Stuff may happen anywhere but it is in India that you, a citizen can be slapped around and beaten up by the STATE and not by a deranged individual. You may be too retarded to see the difference.

Waisey, what I am really surprised about is your vehemence aginst Indians in the US. You don`t see Indians in the US telling you to come here, right? So what`s up with your bitterness. Student visa get rejected? Or they would not take you as a waiter on Carnival Cruises and hence the heart burn ;)

Ajeya Bhai #204, {``You ARE my brother, much as you would want to deny it. We have the same basic genetic heritage.``}

I do not deny that you ARE my brother and yes I do share more than basic gene heritage - I am partially of Hindu descent and proud of it. I can`t change the facts of my ancestry and I think I had no choice in the matter anyway. :)

You raised several issues in your lengthy and interesting response:

Akbar`s cruelty at ChitoR - that is a fact. Akbar was known to be quite cruel even for his day. OTOH he married a Rajput princess, won over the loyalty of Rajputs and turned the Mughal Empire into a Mughal/Rajput alliance, without which it certainly would not have endured down to the 18th century.

Comparison of Hindu and Muslim rulers. - I think it is useless to argue who was more cruel. Hindu history before Islam is replete with YUDs of all types. The domination of the Aryans over the Dravidians was obviously not without violence. The victories of Ashok were notroious for mass slaughter - something that caused him to swear off violence and adopt Buddhism. Maybe it`s a matter of numbers and who was more cruel more recently. But then Mr. Modi should rank up there somewhere.

Mass murder of people in India - I think that 1947 proved that Hindus and Sikhs can be more adept at mass slaughter than even Muslims. Everyone agrees that Muslims were the more numerous victims in `47. Please read Freedom at Midnight by Collins-Lapierre about this topic in detail.

Events in Mahabharata - I was talking about the conversation between Arjun and Lord Krishna where the latter argues with Arjun about destroying all of his enemies (who were mostly his cousins).

Treatment of Dalits - More than a crime, this was an institution. There are gory details of punishment of Dalits for various transgression. Mr. Dalit, a chowkie interactor, has documented in great details many of these grievances.

Eradication of Buddhism - Please see Mr. Rsidhar`s recent post (#198) on this topic

Crimes of forefathers - My Indian forefathers were all Rajputs and Hindus before the late 1600s. They fought against Muslim invasions and during the time of Aurangzeb, they converted to Islam. This was done as a sign of devotion to Aurangzeb, who is held in the greatest esteem for his bravery and love of Rajputs in my family. I have heard many stories of utter devotion by Rajputs to this Emperor. I am told that my ancestors took part in the Deccan wars and the 1857 uprising.

Urdu language - Urdu is based on Hindustani grammar with heavy use of Persian and Arabic nouns, adjuectives, and adverbs. Both Persian and Hindustani are derived from Sanskrit. There is some light Turkish in Urdu for military nomenclature (the word Urdu is Turkish for ``army`` and may be the origin of the English word ``horde`` which is probably Mongol). This is a long way of saying that I mostly agree with you.

Pride in Hindu ancestors - You bet.

You are my brother - Likewise. By the way ``Kardesh`` means `brother`` in Turkish.

I wish you a great day. Thanks for the interaction.

Salim Ahmed Chauhan.

Re: # 226

lost your senility? Wouldn`t that be a good thing?

MaheshG2, #192, {``What happened to the ethnic cleansing discussion? It seems to have been hijacked by Jinnah direct action day discussion. I am waiting for HP to continue the discussion.
Kardesh, what do you think of my posts?``}

Mahesh Sahib,
Ethnic cleansing, as a result of the partition, in 1947 is a fact. West Punjab was cleansed of Hindus and Sikhs and East Punjab (Himachal, Punjab, Haryana, and princely states of Patiala and Kapurthala) were cleansed of Muslims. To a great extent, Delhi and Sindh were also somewhat cleansed of minorities. The reasons were manyfold. The majority people wanted to take over the property and wealth of the minority. The Sikhs wanted to unify their people in one place and to make for Sikhs in East Punjab, they created massacres all over to hasten the population exchange. The Muslims were bent upon creating their Land of the Pure. I think the real victims of 1947 were the Hindus of Punjab and Sindh, who really were not the violent ones in this horrible slaughter.

Many Indians have posted messages talking about the killing and forcible conversions of Hindus and Sikhs in post-partition Pakistan. Other than the violence in former East Pakistan against Hindu AND Muslim Bengalis by the Pak Army and against Mulsim ``Biharis`` by the Muslim Bengalis, I am not aware of any large-scale violence against Hindus and Sikhs (or even other minorities) that occurred in West Pakistan from 1948 to this day. Of course there are bombings against Shias (mostly) and some Christians. But that this is suicide bombing culture of today`s Islam all over the world.
Thanks,
Salim Ahmed Chauhan.

To STUKA , RSRIDHAR and all the other woolly headed individuals who think they actually belong in the US.PLEASE.Continue , till, as Toni Morrison said,the truck comes down the road to pick you up.This was her answer to a question about people of colour in America.STUKA, i got to meet you!!!.You are hilarious.I picture you as an oily , pudgy punjabi with a double chin and ear hair sprouting in all directions.I mean no offense.This is how i picture you.Who else will have such an attitude as you have?.

As far as the law and order situation goes, things are changing.If a judge lets these guys off, then who am i to question.Didn`t the accused in the Air India bombing go free??.How many unsolved cases of murder are pending in the US?.How about the guy caught last month who was a serial killer for 20 years.He was a deacon of the church!!!.How come with all the hi-tech equipment, they still coudn`t catch him!!.How about OJ Simpson?.How about corruption at Enron?.How about the corruption scandal in canada?.Stuff happens everywhere.

And, RSridhar, please get a grip.WAKE UP and smell the roses for what they are.You`re probably working 16 hours a day, given graveyard shifts, condescended and patronised by even reception staff, and paid one half of what your white counterpart gets.If you were a doctor in India, you would be having a better quality of life, paid better and opportunities for foreign travel abound in India now in all professional fields.

Well, we`ll send you guys to Port Blair when you get thrown out of North America.A month of hard labor and you`ll be glad to get to the indian mainland then.And, STUKA , would have become less pudgy and more coherent.

rsridhar #198, {``The truth is: while Buddhism existed in India, the fight for supremacy was intense. Buddhism was the only religion that truly threatened Hinduism (to be more accurate the ``Vedic religion) with extinction. By the time Islam came, Hinduism was well entrenched.
Sridhar``

Sridhar Sahib,
Thank you very much for providing this information. As I mentioned, to the Muslim marauders of the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries it would not have mattered whether their victims were Buddhist or Hindu. They were out for loot, pillage, plunder, and women and the details of religious origins were not important to most of them. I just wanted MaheshG2 and others to understand the historical chronology of Buddhism in India. As you correctly point out, Buddhism was long replaced by Hinduism in India by the time of the Muslim invasions. This fact, of course, does not dilute the cruelty and barbarism of Mahmood Ghaznavi and others.