Shatranj ke Khiladi

#330 by dost-mittar on April 23, 2005 4:31am PT


-No redrawing of maps


you inflexible warmongering racist you......

amit/romair:

I think that Ayaz Amir has been consistent, at least on Kashmir issue. From what I have seen, his stance is:
-Pakistan should maintain its stand on Kashmir
-It should stop sending jihadis there
-It should have normal relations with India, without compromising its stand on Kashmir.

On the eventual settlement, I wouldn`t be surprised that some tacit understanding has been reached:
-No redrawing of maps
-Soft borders between the two Kashmirs
-Turning those soft borders eventually into a soft international border and a bridge between the two countries.
-Pakistan may have some rights in Indian Kashmir and India reciprocal rights in Pakistani Kashmir.

Unfortunately, the devil is always in the details and the bureaucrats of both countries are past masters in creating those devils.

re: Romair`s last post
``And, at least in my opnion, he (meaning Ayaz Amir) is head and shoulders above any jounalist in South Asia, in pure English writing skills. ``
Ayaz Amir is nowhere near M.J. Akbar in either writing skills or clarity of thought. I used to regard him highly until i saw his vacillating devotion to Pak dictator. Ayaz does not seem to make up his mind: is the dictator good or bad?
Sridhar

#326 by amit on April 22, 2005 4:29pm PT

Better to be a whiner than to be massively self-deluded like some pakis on this thread..
Even a whiner can see the sun set and predict that it`s going to get dark real soon....

Most pakis are self-deluded to the point that they think the sun sets when they close their eyes because everything goes dark....

Dost-mittar/Amit #314: The suggestions in the article are quite valid. Something similar to that will have to be done. There is no other solution, from either side. Considering Kashmir a sheh-rug or an atut-ang has obviously not worked, so far. And there is absolutely nothing to indicate it will work in the future, for either side. Any side purusuing either is going to doom South Asia into perpetual disaster. There is no point in winning a battle against the other, by bringing upon a bigger problem onto everyone lf. In the end, if the solution is not accepted by Kashmiris, it will never work.

Kashmir is nothing more than an ego issue, for both countries. Had it been resolved in 47, no one would even know about it today. Once both sides agree it is neither a sheh-rug nor atut-ang, there are a million and one ways to solve the problem.

Ayaz Amir is an interesting guy. Amit is correct in stating that he is a habitual whiner. This is true for nearly every English speaking journalist in Pakistan. Ayaz does have a lot going for him though. He voluntarily quit as an MPA, from Nawaz Sharif`s govt. However, he did not ditch the Sharif party, in the recent election, when everyone else ditched them to join PML (Q). This is unheard of in Pakistan. He continues to live in Chakwal, while everyone else lives in Lahore etc. And he fights his elections from there.

He has a very good understanding of Pakistan, since he was in the Army, beaurecracy, press and is a politician. And, at least in my opnion, he is head and shoulders above any jounalist in South Asia, in pure English writing skills.

Re:dost-mittar#314

Ayaz Amir is someone who loves to complain all the time. He is a perpetual whiner - a cry baby. If you do something, he is unhappy. If you don`t do something, he is still unhappy. When Musharraf had hardline positions on Afghanistan and Kashmir, he would complain loudly. When Musharraf makes U-turns or negotiates solutions, he is still equally unhappy. I really do not get it. What is his own position?

Ayaz Amir never offered any solutions to any disputes, he just likes to complain no matter what the course of action. I think the Pak government just ignores him as a minor nuisance. If he had any intellectual honesty, he would layout his point of view and stick by it.

Re: # 324

......I did hear `milad-un-nabi` and i heard `bakrid`.I`m not religious so i went with the last word i heard.This was in response to my query about less traffic on the streets.And my source was the dept. peon who is as dull as ditch water.I mean no offense to anyone.

cayenne,
``Today was ``bakrid`` in india.``
I thought it was Milad-un-Nabi today.

316 by kardesh on April 22, 2005 8:35am PT
Today was ``bakrid`` in india.Driving home was a breeze as it is a central govt. holiday.Half the traffic off the streets.I was invited to a friend`s favorite watering hole to while away the night.I obviously cannot name the bar and don`t want to, but they had a ``Crystal Concoctions Week`` and some of the `concoctions` had interesting names that i thought i would share with you ..............

COCKTAILS:
Farmer`s Dream///Zwing///Koyla///Dancing lady///Sky Blue Bird///Black Monk///Thirsty Woman///Red Head Bee///Jamaica Joy///Blue Angel and Tsunami Waves.

Quite creative, don`t you think??.I` sure the Dance Club sardar would order a `dancing lady` in there to forget his problems.

I`m just trying to see humour in anything after reading your interact#316.YOU GOT ME THERE.I`m speechless.Who??.Mullah Omar??.I will get back at you for this.

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#320 by Prashant123 on April 22, 2005 11:22am PT

#319 by avenger on April 22, 2005 11:18am PT

If you insist on posting with multiple IDs, at least don`t post dupes...

#318 ,

err...you become more of a nut-case every passing day. My days of trying for IITs are long over. I have moved on. But to suggest that the competition for a spot in the IITs is gonna be tougher because `Pakistanis wil be allowed to take part in IIT-JEE` is ridiculous. To get a coveted seat in the IITs requires one to get into the top 700 - out of 150,000 well prepared competitors. One needs a strong grasp of the funda , willingness to slog hard for 2 years preceding the exam and most importantly get the right guidance. If you tell a serious IIT hopeful about competition from across the border , he will laugh at your face. Thats the least of his worries.

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re:#317 by kardesh
``Gujju - a very nice kid who uses profanity as the peacock uses colors to attract hens.``
Gujjus is also a frustrated kid. He just learnt that his dream of getting into IIT may just be that: a dream, what with GOI now allowing even Pakistanis to compete.
BTW, this is a nice thing happening. I hope Pak also opens up its premier institutions, thereby crating an exchange of students and faculty.
Sridhar

Re: # 316

Amit,
Need to add some clarifications. EVen our hardliners are nice people, they just need love, attention, and applause.
Gujju - a very nice kid who uses profanity as the peacock uses colors to attract hens.
Urstruly - actually loves Indians, but doesn`t want to admit it during preliminary negotiations.
Jay - Couldn`t live a week without consuming some news about Pakistan. Should become a lasting friend of Urstruly.
Echoboom - a real Indian patriot waiting for the right moment to unfurl the tiranga with a star and crescent on it.
:)

#312, cayenne, {``Kardesh!!.....Unity???.....What about porn?.I don`t want any mullah`s running rampage over us telling us what to do or see.Don`t give me nightmares in the afternoon.``}

Cayeene Bhai,
Relax. In our ideal united Pak Hindustan, the Mullahs will be the main stars in much of the porn. :) You will be able to watch it in the afternoon and not have to wait till the Mrs. goes to sleep.


#311, amit {``Yaar, I totally agree with you that these borders are meaningless. I will just add one caveat. Lets take jay, urstruly, Gujjubania, echoboom and all their clones on both sides and exile them to Tibet, Afghanistan, Lakshwadeep or any other corner that is miles away from civilization. That will truly turn the subcontinent into a paradise:}

Amit, friend, I am glad that we are in agreement. Now, what shall we do about our beloved hard-liners?

Tibet - Ah yes, the land of wisdom! Is it wise to have these hard-liners get any wiser? That may be a deadly combination - jingoism and wisdom.
Afghanistan - I asked the Tally Ban contact and they have said that the last thing they want to do is to invite more bombing from USAF. There is one governorship open in Mazar-i-Sharif, good salary, lousy retirement plan.
Lakshwadeep - Last I checked, these islands were still part of India. I insist on having these stay peaceful, just in case I want to retire in a nice, warm, green, tropical place.

I have other suggestions for your kind considerations:

Saudi Arabia,
Nepal,
Finland,
Bylorussia,
Ukraine,
Greenland.
and lastly Bora Bora :)