Linking Poverty and Population

taqat-e-parvaaz #36

`` yes. i know. the truth always does hurt, especially when you have an inferiority complex about your country being ruled by outsiders for 600 years. ``

Who is an outsider ? A lot of civilizations that invaded India do not even exist in any sembalence.

`` all the other options you gave for the oil are too expensive. gwadar presents the best scenario. read anything on this by any expert. ``

You are stretching logic to suggest a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Iran is costlier than a pipeline through unstable Afghanistan and Pakistan to Gwadar.

If China wants petrol and natural gas they can build a pipeline directly to Central Asia. Ditto with the Russians who can resell their gas to West Europe. Russians have pipelines already in existence to supply Europe.

`` yes, you are right, india can go to any extent to shed blood. only you forgot to mention who`s blood its been shedding as an occupying force, denying a freedom struggle in its own homeland. in the meantime, its joined the ranks of rogue states like israel in defying UN security council resolutions. why does the army need 600000 armymen in that area? are you guys that afraid of the mujahideen? india needs a big spanking is all it is. until that comes, it will not behave itself. by the way genius, the architect of kargil was not just musharraf. there were four other pakistan army generals involved. unfortunately, india has no other choice now but to deal with him. uncle sam has the rod for manmohans ass ready if it refuses. your dumbass solution to kashmir is the reason why thousands of kashmiri women continue to be raped by your soldiers. that solution is not acceptable. the quicker your government realizes that the quicker the entire region can move ahead.``

What happens if the Indian government does not listen to Pakistan ?

Re 25: ``just cause the US wants india to become a regional superpower, is by no means a guarantee india wil become that superpower.``.....as much as I dont like the US as a hyperpower mate...generally when the US has a greater geo-strategic plan..it goes ahead. (Marshall plan, Japan, Israel has mideast watch dog, house of saud etc etc) And with India`s economy growing its current rate and its obvious geo-political dominance in the region...any help from the US is just going to be part of a greater drive towards superpower status. Secondly, India is not going to try displace China in any way...China keep its East Asian sphere of influence for all India cares....in fact if anything India is correctly obessessed with a future multi-polar world...with power centres including the US...EU...China..and perhaps us. Honestly with the way every other developed nation(s) leaders have been approacing from the united India/Germanyt/Jap/Brazil UN bid EU-India commisions to Koizumi coming the other day for developing a united geo-political strategy..much of what Ive been saying above is happening infront of our very eyes. Which finally brings me to Pakistan...honestly yaar India has not an iota of interest in ``dominating Pakistan``....u guys are a tiny nation compared to us with about 1/9th the GDP...and some current geo-political relevance. Do we want to have peace over Kashmir and encourage lots of trade...of course we bloody well do...cause we are neighbours and no nation even the US can have healthy economic growth and geo-political stabiliy if there was a perpertually volatile and fractionalized neighbour. The point being your growth is only good for us and is never gonna be a source of competiton for us...and conversely you guys will have substantially improved growth on the basis of our much larger economy if peace and free trade was abundant..the US-Mexico model providess substantial evidence for this. As for this Iran friendship issue I never said they were better friends to us...and in light of likely upcoming events..I will bet that India and Pakistan sit back as quite mute observers as the US plots its next attack.

taqat-e-parvaaz #31

`` pakistan doesnt have to be prosperous or rich to deal with india. yes, an economically prosperous pakistan will be a bigger thorn in india`s side. however, pakistan today can still be a thorn should things change. as i said, we dont need to be rich or prosperous to fight india. yes, i remember kargil. india had to run to the US to buy coffins for its 500+ dead soldiers, devastated by a hail of bullets from SSG commandos and the Northern Light Infantry in under 2 months. the americans didnt lose that many men in iraq for 8 months! gives you an idea of how devastating kargil was for `mighty` india. as i`ve said, drop the inferiority complex now. india doesnt have the balls to harm pakistan, and pakistan has the brains to understand that any confrontation will be mutually destructive. therefore, its in india`s best interest to solve kashmir. unless of course your government loves to flush tax dollars down the drain (perhaps thats why the LCA and other indian defence projects are still in the doldrums). as for images in the west, yes pakistan was a sideline state before 911. but even in that situation, india couldnt help but gyrate her hips for uncle sam to get his attention. india would have loved for powell to have made that call in delhi. the indian foreign ministry would have been doing the bhangra the whole night. and this is fact. so dont deny it. india has always done anything to somehow get into bed with uncle sam, somehow thinking that by doing so uncle sam will forget about pakistan. pakistan and musharraf didnt make a reactionary move. it was extremely calculated on the army`s part. world scenarios change. no one predicted 9/11. remember india during the cold war? india`s only friend was russia, which was busy getting its butt whooped by the mujahideen. the US didnt even want to spit on india in those days. a country`s interests change with the times. pakistan takes care of its interests. its as simple as that.``

The Pakistani military high command must miss the insight of strategists like you

Re: # 35
yes. i know. the truth always does hurt, especially when you have an inferiority complex about your country being ruled by outsiders for 600 years.

#33
all the other options you gave for the oil are too expensive. gwadar presents the best scenario. read anything on this by any expert.

#32
``I know that, Pak can once again be an irritant. And india will definitely respond to it when it is necessary. but as long as there is peace we welcome it.``

hahahaha...that one was good. thats why your army twice over the past four years came to the border, only to put its tails between its smelly behind and run away!! hahaha.. you`re funnier than you look.
yes, you are right, india can go to any extent to shed blood. only you forgot to mention who`s blood its been shedding as an occupying force, denying a freedom struggle in its own homeland. in the meantime, its joined the ranks of rogue states like israel in defying UN security council resolutions. why does the army need 600000 armymen in that area? are you guys that afraid of the mujahideen? india needs a big spanking is all it is. until that comes, it will not behave itself. by the way genius, the architect of kargil was not just musharraf. there were four other pakistan army generals involved. unfortunately, india has no other choice now but to deal with him. uncle sam has the rod for manmohans ass ready if it refuses. your dumbass solution to kashmir is the reason why thousands of kashmiri women continue to be raped by your soldiers. that solution is not acceptable. the quicker your government realizes that the quicker the entire region can move ahead.

Re: # 36

taqat my buddy.....take a chill pill,my brother....i, atleast ain`t beating up on pak.....i`m just pleading with you to see the writing on the wall.Manmohan doesn`t need Bush.`Tis the other way around.That`s why i pasted the `Air India` clip about the 50 Boeings they ordered.The EU and Airbus is pissed, but guess what??.India has about 5 domestic privately owned carriers two of which are starting service to the US and Europe soon.They`re gonna place another order so we got the EU too dancing to our tune.Y`now how much a ticket costs from Mumbai/Delhi/Cochin to Dubai non-stop on Air India`s budget carrier Air India Express, if booked in advance??.INR 2750.00.Why, even an autorickshaw driver can afford to take a holiday in Dubai, mon frere.Y`see , the indian economy and the enterprise of the indian people is were it`s at.The world wants a piece of our market and we can state our price of admission.
Whatever you guys have tried to do to destabilize us has come to naught.All of us indians, whatever religion or race are as united as ever and we have to thank your country for it!!.Your country is now facing the same thing that you wanted us to face.Remember the Balochis??.How sweet it is for us indians to watch with delight and clap with glee and wring our hands with joy.

Re: # 36

``hahahaha...that one was good. thats why your army twice over the past four years came to the border, only to put its tails between its smelly behind and run away!! hahaha.. you`re funnier than you look.``

yeah since then the terrorism is confined to kashmir, army was not amassed because of kashmir problem but because of attack occuring on parliament. Regarding the army, india doesn`t even need to go that far, just build dams and starve pakis.

``yes, you are right, india can go to any extent to shed blood. only you forgot to mention who`s blood its been shedding as an occupying force, denying a freedom struggle in its own homeland. in the meantime, its joined the ranks of rogue states like israel in defying UN security council resolutions. why does the army need 600000 armymen in that area? are you guys that afraid of the mujahideen? india needs a big spanking is all it is. until that comes, it will not behave itself. by the way genius, the architect of kargil was not just musharraf. there were four other pakistan army generals involved. unfortunately, india has no other choice now but to deal with him. uncle sam has the rod for manmohans ass ready if it refuses. your dumbass solution to kashmir is the reason why thousands of kashmiri women continue to be raped by your soldiers. that solution is not acceptable. the quicker your government realizes that the quicker the entire region can move ahead.``

go to hell with your questions. who the fu$k are you to question us. If you are that concerned take a AK and cross the LoC. We will continue to ``rape`` kashmiri women do whatever you want to do, we will continue to be a `` rogue`` country, who the fu$k cares about UN. Solution is not acceptable? yeah pak army who could not wrest JK after wars, after 15 years of insurgency, is scarying us now. We are ready to hand over kashmir to Pak simply because they could not win it. The janbaaz force which has never know any war since 47. which has never won any substantial land after 47 raid. I am sooooo afraid of the mighty pak army, they are soooo powerful, I will now write to the PM to give away jk to pak because parvaz wants that to happen.
I understand your frustation and anger but thats not new, you have lived with that for 5 decades and will continue to. We don`t give a hoot about it. go and cry in front of OIC, UN, UC, China. Maybe they will throw sone money at you. Regarding Kargil, Mushy was the army chief hence the primary responsibility falls on him. As I said earlier we welcome talks as long as they bring peace, if you think that we are going to ceed even an inch of land then don`t raise your hope. It ain`t going to happen.

taqat-e-parvaaz #28

`` i am well aware of the MKI and its capabilities. no doubt its a good fighter. i never denied that. however, i would take american technology any day over russian technology, which has stagnated (no one in their right mind can deny this) in comparison to the US. the F-16s pakistan will get (have no doubt about this. its only a matter of time. all attempts to block it have been effectively countered by the pakistani ambassador and the pakistani caucus on capitol hill. the indian lobby has lost. accept it) will be either the Block 52 plus (C/D), or the newest Block 60 (E/F), which were delivered to and manufactured exclusively for the UAE. there is talk either the saudis or the UAE may help pakistan finance this new beast should the americans be willing to sell it. its a $60 million dollar aircraft. there is still talk that it is possible. the block 60 has an active electronically scanning array (AESA) radar, which means it could detect the MKI even before it got in the air!! the MKI would be toast within seconds, as two AIM missiles come at it at the speed of sound. the F-16 is the original multi role aircraft. its world known to have unbelievable deep penetration capabilities without detection. all pilots who have flown the F-16 have said that they would not fly anything else.
i am aware that the MKI is being manufactured in india. its not a big deal. transfer of technology is common among allies. pakistan manufactures the latest french submarines and a host of other technology. its not new my friend. in the meantime, lose the inferiority complex. i know musharraf is friendly towards the indians. theres a reason he`s so well respected everywhere in the world. however, indians seem hell bent on turning his hospitality into renewed hostility. so spare me the lecture. i will be polite when indians learn to behave. ``

Yawn dear !!!

From the economic point of view I believe that the population growth is going to have a major impact on the prices of property in Karachi when people move to the city from all over Pakistan. Prices of all other commodities like fuel, transportation and food will also rise, further lowering the standard of living of the people of Karachi. In other words, Karachi will experience inflation rates higher than the rest of Pakistan making it more difficult for the residents of Karachi to maintain their quality of life.

taqat-e-parvaaz #19

perhaps you should have read my post a bit more carefully. i didnt say pakistan and iran will forge close ties. pakistan and iran have a good understanding with each other. if you indians think you have iran on `your side` your delusional. iran has a good understanding with india, but despite indian propaganda its clear that its not at the expense of pakistan.

`` what i stated was that pakistans geostrategic importance far outweighs that of india`s, ``

What is basis for such grandiose statements ?

`` pakistan. anyone aware of geopolitics will be aware of this. with this in mind, pakistan can be of help to iran and iran can help pakistan with future energy needs, which the two ``

what help is Pakistan exactly to Iran ? Making condoms ??

`` ties. however, for any of the pipelines to be successful, pakistan MUST be involved. dont think musharraf and the rest of our policymakers dont understand this. the central asian republics will become energy corridors in the future, as because they are landlocked they will need to transport and receive energy through other countries. enter gwadar port. ``

Whether Gawadar port is used Central Asian republics have other options that do not involve Pakistan -
selling directly to China
selling directly to Russia
pipeline to Iran
pipeline through Caspian Sea and Georgia to the Black Sea

`` pakistan becomes economically successful. in addition, pakistan will continue to benefit from the chinese arms industry, something india cannot think of for the foreseable future. pakistan will be getting armed with JF-17s, and in the future with the advanced J-10 (which the US navy itself has said could be serious trouble for the F-18 super hornet). india will be left with a struggling russian industry to rely on. the americans will want a piece of the pie, ``

China JF-17 and J-10 are powered with engine prototypes from the struggling Russian industry. If Chinese weapons industry was advanced they would not be the largest buyer of Russian weapons.

`` but india has historically been short sighted to let the americans sell them weapons. ``

Who was been begging the USA for F-16s and F-16 spare parts ?

`` an economically prosperous and well armed pakistan is always going to be a thorn in the side of india should kashmir not be resolved. trust me, disputes do not take precedence over economics. the world community can step in at any time and force india to the table. they dont care all that much for your market. no one wants to see 1/5 of humanity go up in smoke. and thats exactly where india is headed should it continue to sit on its ass.``

It is easier for the world community to pressure Pakistan than India

Re: # 22

Not to mention ``power`` cuts!!.Already you guys are experiencing power cuts of 20 hours or more in many areas of the city.I hope you keep cool.

# 24
learn to make sense. not sure what the hell you were talking about. how are kashmir and gwadar related?

Re: # 23

trust me, its a lot hotter in india than it is in pakistan. pakistanis dont chicken out in the face of heat. and there will no longer be power outages, as its been solved since the major electrical company has been privatized to a wealthy saudi business group. good luck to your people keeping cool in the hellish heat of mumbai.

#21

so be it. just cause the US wants india to become a regional superpower, is by no means a guarantee india wil become that superpower. yes, india has a large enough economy to be a global force. however, if india or indians think they can dominate pakistan, they`ve got other things coming. china will never allow india to become a force other than what it sees fit for india. india will always just be a second fiddle to china. pakistans geostrategic importance is not about economic power. however, that day too will come. for the time being, pakistan occupied a most key area of the world. the US wants to maintain healthy relationships with both, as they cannot ignore either one now, for different reasons albeit. as i said, pakistan can become an energy corridor from iran and the CAR`s. pakistan has cemented its relations with those countries, so you can expect major dividends from that relationship, as there is massive oil and gas there. cayenne still believe iran is india`s best friend, even though khatami and the iranian foreign minister have all said that pakistans and iran`s relationship goes back a long way. iran has every interest to see a stable pakistan, just as pakistan has every interest to use iran for its future energy needs, which are going to rise exponentially as the economy sky rockets, which is already underway. the iran-india-pakistan relationship is not a zero sum game, as some indians would want it to be. for some stupid reasons indians believe iran is going to be friends with india at the expense of pakistan. it defies all logic.

#20

first of all, the SU-30 is NOT the most advanced fighter in the world. its a $30 million dollar aircraft. the F-22 is a $120 million dollar aircraft. pakistans newest falcons are all going to be $40 million each. so please dont make stupid indian statements like that again. the F-22 raptor would eat your pilots and the plane up for lunch. the Sukhoi couldnt even hang with an F-15C. the indian air force had to beg the americans not to use their AWACS against them in the last cope india. the F-15 is a much less capable fighter than the raptor. no aircraft, except the raptor for the most part, is unbeatable. remember that. pakistans upcoming F-16s are big trouble for the Sukhois, which is why your PM had to bitc# to george bush and richard armitage, who all told him to `shut the hell up!` haha. as for india having the 6th largest air force, so be it. this might be true. unfortunately, you guys seem intent on having your flying coffins drop like bird shit all over india. perhaps before you brag about something like that you should give your pilots some time to actually learn how to fly!!

Re: # 25
``learn to make sense. not sure what the hell you were talking about. how are kashmir and gwadar related? ``

wasn`t it you who said that Gwadar very soon is going to become Dubai for Pak and later on said that prosperous Pak will be a thorn to india should Kashmir be not resolved. Apart from Gwadar you havnt mentoined any other reason for economic prosperity. Jesus, atleast read what you are posting. Heres a part of you thesis for your perusal.

``as i said, this is a standing challenge of mine, that gwadar will become south asia` s most prosperous and advanced city within 20 years. its inevitable. it will become a dubai for pakistan. theres no doubt in anyones mind of this. ``
``an economically prosperous and well armed pakistan is always going to be a thorn in the side of india should kashmir not be resolved.``

You are talking about how properous pak is going to be in near future (i.e. 20 years) courtesy Gwadar. Hence, my comment: we will be ready to deal with you in 20 years or whenever pak is prosperous and well armed as long as currently you don`t stoke the Kashmir fire and concentrate on making pak prosperous and fully armed.

I hope you understand it this time. good luck.

Re: # 29

pakistan doesnt have to be prosperous or rich to deal with india. yes, an economically prosperous pakistan will be a bigger thorn in india`s side. however, pakistan today can still be a thorn should things change. as i said, we dont need to be rich or prosperous to fight india. yes, i remember kargil. india had to run to the US to buy coffins for its 500+ dead soldiers, devastated by a hail of bullets from SSG commandos and the Northern Light Infantry in under 2 months. the americans didnt lose that many men in iraq for 8 months! gives you an idea of how devastating kargil was for `mighty` india. as i`ve said, drop the inferiority complex now. india doesnt have the balls to harm pakistan, and pakistan has the brains to understand that any confrontation will be mutually destructive. therefore, its in india`s best interest to solve kashmir. unless of course your government loves to flush tax dollars down the drain (perhaps thats why the LCA and other indian defence projects are still in the doldrums). as for images in the west, yes pakistan was a sideline state before 911. but even in that situation, india couldnt help but gyrate her hips for uncle sam to get his attention. india would have loved for powell to have made that call in delhi. the indian foreign ministry would have been doing the bhangra the whole night. and this is fact. so dont deny it. india has always done anything to somehow get into bed with uncle sam, somehow thinking that by doing so uncle sam will forget about pakistan. pakistan and musharraf didnt make a reactionary move. it was extremely calculated on the army`s part. world scenarios change. no one predicted 9/11. remember india during the cold war? india`s only friend was russia, which was busy getting its butt whooped by the mujahideen. the US didnt even want to spit on india in those days. a country`s interests change with the times. pakistan takes care of its interests. its as simple as that.

Re: # DAWN Daily:31 ISLAMABAD, Oct 2: As many as 104 serving and retired Lieutenant Generals, Major Generals or equivalent ranks from other services are among the 1,027 military officers inducted on civilian posts in different ministries , divisions and Pakistani missions abroad after Oct 12, 1999 military takeover.

The number of army Brigadiers or their equivalent ranks from the Navy and Air Force is even higher at 160, according to an annexure placed before the Senate library.

There have been 14 ambassadors and a high commissioner from the military ranks during this period.

Of these 1,027 military officers inducted on civilian posts, 27 military officers have been given the prized grade of 22 while 62 officers have been adjusted in grade 21. A whopping figure of 150 officers occupy civilian positions in Grade 20. There are 276 officers between grade 20 and 22 alone. The nature of their jobs varies from deputation, secondment, re-employment to contract basis.

These military officers occupy civilian posts in a situation where, according to Incharge Cabinet Division Raza Hiraj, there are 700 `unabsorbed` surplus civilian employees. There are 33 officers on special duty (OSD) just in grades between 19 and 21.

The range of fields where military officers are working on civilian posts encompasses every sector of human endeavour including communications, education, diplomacy, water and electricity management, information, post office, jails, local bodies, think tanks, industrial production, shipping, minority affairs, population welfare, health, agriculture, railways, highways, housing, labour and manpower, social and women development, law and justice and sub-sectors of sports from cricket to hockey.

A close look at the figures shows that these military personnel occupy 13 posts in the cabinet division, 5 posts in the commerce ministry, 98 in communications ministry, 113 in the defence division, 52 in the defence production division, 9 in the education ministry, 16 in the establishment division, 24 in the ministry of foreign affairs, 6 in the ministry of food, agriculture and livestock.

There are 88 military officers working in the ministry of interior, 2 in the health ministry, 6 in the housing and works ministry, 29 in the industries and production ministry, 3 in the information and broadcasting ministry, 58 in the ministry of Information Technology, 25 in the Kashmir affairs and northern affairs ministry, five in the labour and manpower division, 17 in the ministry of minorities affairs, 39 in the ministry of petroleum and natural resources, just one each in the ministry of population welfare, the planning and development division and the ministry of religious affairs.

There are two military officials working in the revenue division (CBR), 21 in the ministry of science and technology, 72 in the ministry of railways/railway board, 37 in the ministry of water and power, 5 in the ministry of women development, 6 in the Wafaqi Mohtasib. There are another 37 officers who have been inducted under the military`s 10 per cent quota in civilian posts over and above these appointments.

In the Foreign Affairs 13 Lieutenants and Major Generals were appointed as ambassadors in different countries, while one Brigadier and a Major also got ambassadorial positions. Lt-Gen (retd) Asad Durrani was appointed as ambassador in Riyadh (contract expired on October 2002).

Vice-Admiral (retd) Shamoon Alam Khan was appointed as ambassador in Kyiv (up to August 28, 2003), Vice-Admiral (retd) Khalid M Mir was appointed ambassador in Beirut (up to July 2003), Lt-Gen (retd) Nasim Rana as ambassador in Kuala Lumpur (up to July 2003), Air Marshal (retd) Muhammad Farooq Qari as ambassador in Tripoli, Lt-Gen (retd) Agha Jehangir Ali Khan as ambassador in Mexico, Maj-Gen (retd) Shujaat Ali Khan as ambassador in Rabat (up to September 2003), Maj-Gen (retd) Fazal Ghafoor as ambassador in Tashkent (contract expired on April 2002), Maj-Gen (retd) Salim Ullah as ambassador in Abu Dhabi (up to June 2003), Lt-Gen (retd) Mohammad Shafique as ambassador in Bahrain (contract expired on October 2002), Maj-Gen (retd) Muhammad Hassan Aqeel as ambassador in Thailand (up to June 2003), Maj Gen (retd) Syed Mustafa Anwar Hussain as ambassador in Indonesia (up to August 2003) and Maj-Gen (retd) Sultan Habib as ambassador in DPR Korea (up to October 2003).

Brigadier Abdul Majid Khan was appointed as ambassador in Dushambe (contract expired on June 2002), while Major Badruddin was posted as high commissioner to Bender Seri Begawen.

In the cabinet division, Maj-Gen Khalid Bashir was appointed as Member (Tech) Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) (up to November 2001), Maj-Gen Raza Hussain as chairman SUPARCO and Maj-Gen Shahzada Alam Malik as Chairman PTA. These inductions were made on regular basis.

Similarly, in the ministry of communications, Maj-Gen Tariq Javed was inducted as National Highway Authority chairman on November 11, 2000 but was later repatriated. In his place Maj Gen Furrakh Javed was appointed as NHA chief on November 5, 2001 on a secondment basis. He already had served as deputy director general (Dev) in the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). Likewise, Maj-Gen (retd) Agha Masood Hasan was appointed as Director General Pakistan Post Office on a contract basis, Vice-Admiral Taj Muhammad Khattak was appointed as Chairman Port Qasim Authority (PQA) on secondment, Rear Admiral Muhammad Asad Qureshi was appointed as Director General PQA, Vice Admiral (retd) S Tauquir H Naqvi as Chairman Pakistan National Shipping Corporation (PNSC) on contract, Vice Admiral (retd) S Abaid Ullah Khan as chairman (PNSC) (contract terminated on October, 2000), Rear Admiral Bakhat Ali Jumani was appointed as Executive Director (Ship Management PNSC), Rear Admiral (retd) Sarfraz Khan was appointed as Chairman Gwadar Port Authority (GPA), Rear Admiral Muhammad Nashat Raffi as General Manager Karachi Port Trust (KPT),

Vice Admiral Ahmed Hayat was appointed on a contract basis as Chairman Karachi Port Trust (KPT), but prior to him Vice Admiral (retd) Khalid Mohammad Mir was serving as chairman. Maj Gen (retd) Mohsin Ahmed Vahidy was appointed as Executive Directive PNSC Karachi on a contract basis but he is not serving now, while Rear Admiral Sikandar Viqar Naqvi was appointed chairman PQA (not serving).

Similarly, in the ministry of defence, Lt-Gen (retd) Hamid Nawaz Khan was re-employed on a contract basis as secretary ministry of defence but earlier Lt-Gen (retd) Nasim Rana was serving in this capacity whose contract was terminated on July 8, 2001. Rear Admiral Irfan Ahmad was appointed as Additional Secretary (contract terminated), then Maj-Gen Muhammad Ashraf Chaudhry was made Additional Secretary, defence ministry, on secondment basis.

Maj-Gen Javed Iqbal was appointed as Director General Military Land and Cantonments (ML&C) on secondment but he was later retired. Later, Maj Gen Muhammad Jawed was appointed as DG ML&C on secondment.

Maj-Gen Mahboobul Muzaffar and Maj-Gen Sabihuddin Bokhari were appointed as Surveyor General of Pakistan. After their retirement, Maj-Gen Tariq Javed was appointed in their place on secondment basis. Rear Admiral Arshad Munir Ahmed was appointed Ex-Managing Director Karachi Shipyard (contract expired), Air Vice Marshal S Javed Raza as Director Pre Engineering PIA, AVM (retd) Niaz Hussain Director (Engineering) PIA and AVM Arshad Rashid Sethi as Deputy Director General, CAA (not working).

In the Defence Production Division, Air Marshal (retd) Zahid Anis was appointed as secretary D P Division. Earlier Lt-Gen (retd) Lehrasab was working in his place. Similarly, Maj-Gen Ali Baz was appointed as Additional Secretary D P Division. Earlier, Maj-Gen Rehmat Khan was serving as Additional Secretary D P Division. Maj-Gen M Salimuddin was re-employed after his retirement from the army as Chief Scientists and Scientific Adviser DESTO in place of Maj-Gen Akbar Saeed Awan, while Maj-Gen Syed Ali Hamid was appointed as Director General DEPO on secondment basis while AVM Aurangzeb Khan was appointed Chairman Pakistan Aeronautical Complex board, Kamra.

In the Establishment Division, Maj-Gen (retd) Rahmatullah was appointed as Managing Director Federal Employees Benevolent Fund and Group Insurance. Earlier, Maj-Gen (retd) Inayatullah Khan Niazi was working in his place. Air Marshal (retd) Shafique Haider was appointed as Chairman Federal Public Service Commission (FPSC) while Lt-Gen (retd) Arshad Hussain was appointed Member, FPSC.

Maj-Gen (retd) Sikander Shami was appointed as Director General of Head of Institute of NIPA, Lahore, while Lt-Gen (retd) Sardar Ali as Director NIPA, Lahore, both on a contract basis.

Maj-Gen Muhammad Iqbal Khan was appointed as Managing Director PASSCO on contract in the ministry of food, agriculture and livestock, Maj-Gen Ahsan Ahmad as Director General health on secondment but was replaced by Maj-Gen (retd) Muhammad Aslam also on secondment/contract in the health ministry.

In the interior ministry Maj-Gen (retd) Zahid Ehsan was appointed as Chairman Nadra (posted out) while in the ministry of industries and production Maj-Gen (retd) M Mohsin was appointed as chairman NFC (national finance commission) on contract. AVM Azhar Maud was appointed National Telecommunication Corporation (NTC) chairman.

In the ministry of information and broadcasting Maj-Gen (retd) Jamshed Ayaz Khan was appointed as president Institute of Regional Studies, Islamabad, on contract.

In the minorities, culture, sports, Maj-Gen (retd) Inayat Ullah Khan Niazi was appointed Chairman ETPB (contract expired), while Maj-Gen Anis Ahmad Bajwa was appointed as Managing Director PTDC Islamabad on contract. He had already served as Deputy Chief of Staff to Chief Executive in the Prime Minister`s secretariat.

Lt-Gen Hamid Javed was appointed as Chief of Staff to the President in the president`s secretariat.

Similarly in the Prime Minister`s secretariat Lt-Gen Ghulam Ahmad was appointed as chief of staff to Chief Executive in place of Lt-Gen Hamid Javed.

Maj-Gen Abdul Jabbar Bhatti, Maj-Gen Shafaatullah Shah and Maj-Gen Muhammad Yousaf were also appointed as deputy chief of staff to chief executive. Maj-Gen Haroon Sikandar Pasha was appointed as Director Chief Executive`s secretariat. Maj-Gen Nadeem Taj had also served as Military Secretary (MS) to Chief Executive (posted as MS to the president from January 2002).

Lt-Gen Khalid Maqbool (now Governor Punjab) and Lt-Gen Syed Muhammad Amjad were appointed as Chairman National Accountability Bureau (NAB), while Maj-Gen Abdul Jabbar Bhatti, Maj-Gen Ijaz Ahmed Bakhshi and Maj-Gen Ovais Mushtaq Qureshi, AVM (retd) M Saleemud Din, Maj-Gen Muhammad Sabir, Maj-Gen Nazakat Ali Khan, Maj-Gen Shujaat Zamir Dar, Maj-Gen Syed Usman Shah and Maj-Gen Tariq Bashir, Rear Admiral Ihsanul Haq, Real Admiral Ubaid Sadiq, AVM Masood Akhtar, AVM Zakaullah Khan and AVM (retd) Khuda Dad were subsequently appointed as Director General, NAB

Maj-Gen (retd) Syed Asif Riaz Bokhari was appointed as Member, NRB on a contract basis.

Maj-Gen Parvez Akmal was appointed as Managing Director Oil and Gas Development Company (OGDC) (not working) while Maj-Gen (retd) Syed Usman Shah was appointed as Director General Intelligence and Investigation.

In the railways ministry Lt-Gen (retd) Javaid Ashraf Qazi was appointed as secretary/chairman Pakistan Railways. After his contract was terminated Lt-Gen (retd) Saeeduz Zafar replaced him. On termination of his contract, Maj-Gen (retd) Hamid Hassan Butt was appointed as General Manager M&S PR but his contract too was terminated.

Lt-Gen (retd) Zulfiqar Ali Khan was appointed as Wapda Chairman on secondment/contract while Maj-Gen (retd) M Aslam Zuberi was appointed Adviser in the Wafaqi Mohtasib secretariat (contract expired).

Those who were appointed in the attached departments include Air Marshal (retd) Sharbat A Changazi who was appointed as Director State Life Insurance Corporation of Pakistan and Rear Admiral (retd) Ejaz Husain appointed as General Manager Special Project, Pakistan State Oil Company Ltd.

Re: # 31

Dude, why the hell are you frothing all over the place? From Kashmir to Cold war.

``however, pakistan today can still be a thorn should things change.``

I know that, Pak can once again be an irritant. And india will definitely respond to it when it is necessary. but as long as there is peace we welcome it.

``as i said, we dont need to be rich or prosperous to fight india.``
I know that too. last 5 decades are testimony to that. But we don`t want to waste our time fighting with you, we have many other better things to do. Hence, use your resources to make pak rich and prosperous and we will take care of ourself.

``yes, i remember kargil. india had to run to the US to buy coffins for its 500+ dead soldiers, devastated by a hail of bullets from SSG commandos and the Northern Light Infantry in under 2 months. the americans didnt lose that many men in iraq for 8 months! gives you an idea of how devastating kargil was for `mighty` india. as i`ve said, drop the inferiority complex now. india doesnt have the balls to harm pakistan, and pakistan has the brains to understand that any confrontation will be mutually destructive.``

india did pay a high price for its complacency, no one is denying it. The point is: we remember who was the artichitect of Kargil. And what has made him from a butcher to a peace-maker. Kargil just shows indias determination to go to any extent, to shed any amount of blood to defend even an inch of kashmir. I also remember how Sharif ran to Clinton uninvited, and how Clinton asked him not to come to Washington unless he pulls pak forces out of IOK. FYI, when are you guys going to claim and give a decent burial to those commandos/SSG/NIF men who were left dying in indian territory. Indian army had to burial them. Infact till now Pak maintains that there were no NLI men in IOK. Shame on you and on Mushy for denying the families of the soldiers their dead sons/husbands/brothers. I am not for any war with pak or ``harming`` pak. I told you earlier itself, we don`t care about pak there are many other things we have to attend to.

``drop the inferiority complex now.``
whatever dude.


``therefore, its in india`s best interest to solve kashmir. ``

I also agree to it. Its in the best interest of both the nations to do so. India keep IOK, Pak keep POK. problem solved.

india wanted to take advantage of 911 and label pak also as terrorist nations because it was a common knowledge about who fathered Taliban. Ofcourse, when pak agreed to prostitute itself once again and abandoned Taliban indias game was over. Pak had to bend over or else today pak would have been a medieval landmass.


``india has always done anything to somehow get into bed with uncle sam, ``

India has historically opposed u.s. and has been close to the soviet. But as time change priorities change to.

``remember india during the cold war? india`s only friend was russia, which was busy getting its butt whooped by the mujahideen.``

Russia helped india when it mattered the most. It was with the russian help that india whooped paks ass in 71. Indias defence hardware is 75% russian. when the west refused them russia offered it. Still we never had russian forces on our soil unlike you, i guess you can get everything out of pak for the dollars thrown at it. and yes scenarios change hence india is buying from u.s./israel/russia/france/sweden. Even pak wants russian pdts. soviets failed in afg due to many reasons not solely becuase of muj. The ideology itself collapsed.

``the US didnt even want to spit on india in those days.``

yes, they just spitted on paks face and they still do it to the present day.

Re: # 25

I got one more set of Mumbai pics......

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=198981&page=12&pp=20

A fyi on the Sukhoi-30......
The Sukhoi 30MKI is a twin-engined, multi role fighter which can be simultaneously operated as a interceptor, bomber and trainer. It is equipped with all-weather day and night flying capabilities and can carry eight tones of weapons, including air-to-air, air-to-surface missiles and mid course guided aerial bombs and rockets. It can fly upto 3,000 kms without refuelling. The aircraft is fitted with indigenously developed equipment like mission and radar computers, radar warning and a communication systems.

These are manufactured in india NOW.Your much bally-hooed F-16 deal is still stuck in the US congress.And, a congressman has also counter introduced a resolution disallowing the sale.In the meantime, a little politeness towards us would be nice.Look at Musharaf and learn.