Linking Poverty and Population

It`s poverty that is the cause of population growth. Not vice versa.

The population and poverty are directly proportional, and cause the decline in the standard of living.

However, in South Asia, it is used as an excuse and a political weapon. Other nations with much higher population density have a very high standard of living compared to South Asia.

high population rates have been a nuisance for pakistan for quite a few years. its a pity nothing has been down to really counter it.

sure its come down from 3% ro 2% but further improvements are required.

Re: # 19

....If india didn`t want the pipeline, the pipeline wouldn`t exist.Even iran, with it`s oil revenue doesn`t have the money we indians have.Infact, we indians will be providing livelihood to thousands of pakistanis through the pipeline.That`s why we want to make sure you guys play ball.Meanwhile , the US and Japan are wooing us away from the pipeline deal with alternate energy means!!.India has the 4th largest armed forces in the world, the 6th largest air force.The indian armed forces supply spares and service most of the armed forces of south and south east asia.The Sukhoi-30 is manufactured ground up in india.It is the most advanced jet fighter in the world, even over the F-22.Check Jane`s Weekly.Spares and servicing of malaysia`s Sukhoi-30`s are exclusively under indian contract.I`m giving you an example.Iran and India have had over 40 years of close relations.Iran has always supported india`s stance in all international fora.Iran`s president was chief guest of Abdul Kalam at last year`s republic day celebrations.If Iran wants to go ahead with pakistan directly on the pipeline deal, why hasn`t anything happened?.Oh, and i forgot, the balochis can`t stand the rest of you paks.Gwadar?.Acc. to ``Pakistan This Week`` , the paks are looking to inidan merchant ships to use gwadar and other ports as there is too much traffic into india (ports are congested) and india`s merchant navy fleet is one of the largest in the world.Colombo and Singapore are the main transit ports for goods into india and one of their main sources of revenue.Have a good weekend.

Re: # 19 taqat-e-parvaaz

``that gwadar will become south asia` s most prosperous and advanced city within 20 years. its inevitable. it will become a dubai for pakistan. ``

Mr.TEP, good to hear that Pakistan is going have a Dubai in 20 years. Why don`t you in Pak work on it with full energy and resources and abandon all this kashmir mess for another 20 years. This is all that we want too!!!

Re: # 17

perhaps you should have read my post a bit more carefully. i didnt say pakistan and iran will forge close ties. pakistan and iran have a good understanding with each other. if you indians think you have iran on `your side` your delusional. iran has a good understanding with india, but despite indian propaganda its clear that its not at the expense of pakistan. what i stated was that pakistans geostrategic importance far outweighs that of india`s, and that in the future will be the key to pakistans economic growth. no country can ignore pakistan. anyone aware of geopolitics will be aware of this. with this in mind, pakistan can be of help to iran and iran can help pakistan with future energy needs, which the two countries are already in the process of working out. i believe iran even stated that should india not want to join the gas pipeline can commence without it. thats not what i call deep ties. however, for any of the pipelines to be successful, pakistan MUST be involved. dont think musharraf and the rest of our policymakers dont understand this. the central asian republics will become energy corridors in the future, as because they are landlocked they will need to transport and receive energy through other countries. enter gwadar port. as i said, this is a standing challenge of mine, that gwadar will become south asia` s most prosperous and advanced city within 20 years. its inevitable. it will become a dubai for pakistan. theres no doubt in anyones mind of this. and china will continue to have stakes in pakistans economic success. the chinese are willing to do just about anything to ensure pakistan becomes economically successful. in addition, pakistan will continue to benefit from the chinese arms industry, something india cannot think of for the foreseable future. pakistan will be getting armed with JF-17s, and in the future with the advanced J-10 (which the US navy itself has said could be serious trouble for the F-18 super hornet). india will be left with a struggling russian industry to rely on. the americans will want a piece of the pie, but india has historically been short sighted to let the americans sell them weapons. an economically prosperous and well armed pakistan is always going to be a thorn in the side of india should kashmir not be resolved. trust me, disputes do not take precedence over economics. the world community can step in at any time and force india to the table. they dont care all that much for your market. no one wants to see 1/5 of humanity go up in smoke. and thats exactly where india is headed should it continue to sit on its ass.

Re: # 16


The day pakistan and iran will forge close relations will be the day hell freezes over!!.India has always had more influence and still does, with iran than pakistan has ever had.We are comparing ourselves with china, and we are even developing china`s software industry in exchange for hardware technology expertise from them.Afghanistan`s president is a product of india`s educational system , under the old socialist regime.After the US, India is the largest investor in Afghanistan.China and India are the last two mega markets left in the world that have yet to be fully exploited.We are enjoying several revolutions, economic, cultural, eductional and political and China and India are responsible for making Asia the center of attention of the world again.Forget `Kashmir`.The LoC it is.I don`t mean it arrogantly.The corporates have more influence over the world than politicians.That`s how it is.

Re: # 16
I got one more article for you to learn how indian enterprise , hard work and ingenuity is responsible for our economic success......nothing succeeds like success.....

Subcontinent turning into supercompetitor
The Economist
April 5, 2005 WORLDLEDE0405

A gleaming silver prototype of a sport-utility vehicle was one of the stars of the recent Geneva motor show. What made it particularly noteworthy was that, in two years, it will roll off the production line not in Wolfsburg, Stuttgart, Detroit or Tokyo, but Pune -- two hours by road from Mumbai, the commercial capital of India.

Five years ago it would have been inconceivable for a vehicle from India to turn heads at such an international gathering. Back then, the gamble by India`s Tata group to enter the car business was widely predicted to drag down its flagship Telco business (now called Tata Motors).

Its first indigenous car, the little Indica, was hit by quality problems and won less than half of its expected share of India`s growing domestic market. Telco reported huge losses in 1998-99.

But Ratan Tata, chairman of the 80-firm conglomerate that is India`s largest private enterprise, stuck to his guns. Cars are a big part of his ambitious vision. Tata, the nephew of J.R.D. Tata, a leading industrialist in the days of British rule, succeeded his uncle in 1991 as chairman of the group`s holding company, just as India started to liberalize its economy.

Tata was a sprawling empire in which 300 firms went their own ways. Tata took the group by the scruff of the neck, quit crowded markets, such as textiles and cement, and licked other firms into shape. But his bold move into cars was a turning point, as the group became aggressively expansionist.

In 2000, Tata spent $435 million to buy Tetley Tea, a British business with a global brand -- the first big foreign acquisition by an Indian company. The idea was to move downstream from just selling leaves from Tata`s tea plantations. But other international acquisitions in trucks, telecoms and steel offer Tata an even bigger opportunity to make its mark outside India, as does its flourishing information technology business.

Already 22 percent of group sales are outside India. None of this could have come about if the move into cars had proved a disaster. Telco`s losses were caused partly by a severe cyclical downturn in the truck market. Tata`s response was to cut jobs by 40 percent and halve the number of suppliers to 600. This was not easy to do in India, with its rigid labor laws. After a three-year struggle, the Indica and its bigger version, the Indigo, began to overcome early problems and now account for around one-quarter of the markets for small and medium-sized vehicles.

Tata recalls that in 1995, when he decided to enter the passenger-car market, he could have taken the usual route with a joint venture. Toyota and Volkswagen had been talking to him. Instead, he pursued his dream of making Tata Motors the flagship of his $14 billion empire.

Today it is the biggest group business by sales and, only seven years after producing its first car, makes a net pretax profit margin of about 10 percent -- putting it in select company with the leading Japanese and South Korean carmakers and ahead of its main domestic rival. Today, the group`s firms are in eight sectors. The average Tata holding in each firm is 25 percent, but in flagship businesses, such as Tata Motors, Tata Steel and Tata Consulting Services (TCS), it is 65 percent or more.

Last summer, Tata floated 14 percent of the shares of TCS, an IT business started by Tata engineers in 1968, long before such Bangalore outsourcing merchants as Infosys and Wipro Technologies had been heard of. The float valued the firm at $11 billion. It netted Tata more than $1 billion, propelling the group back atop Indian business.

Tata will retire in just under three years, when he reaches 70. Before he goes, he wants to launch a revolutionary ``1 lakh car`` -- one that sells for 100,000 rupees, or $2,000. Tata would make the body panels and sell kits to small firms that would create jobs assembling the cars in rural workshops. The idea is to have a ``people`s car`` made by the people.

``When I see four or five members of a family cling to one little scooter, I become determined to provide a low-cost family car between the scooter and normal models,`` he said.


http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5329471.html

Re: # 10

ummmm...not really. i`m a realist. yes, india is a bigger economy. but pakistan too has extreme significance in the area, and it can be an equal to india in the not too distant future. dont expect pakistan to accept second fiddle to india. pakistans geostrategic importance far outstrips that of india`s. its in a much more important position, being next to oil rich iran and afghanistan. never forget that. pakistan doesnt need india anymore than india needs pakistan. india is not some developed country yet my friend. since you guys love comparing yourself, compare yourselves to china. that ought to put things into perspective. having 1 billion people tends to naturally magnify economic success, since even minimal economic growth will be multiplied significantly. look at china`s economy then look at india`s. both are the same population. pakistans economic cooperation with india is a far off thing. until india can behave itself and act like the `superpower` it is so destined to become and start following UN resolutions and solve kashmir, there is little chance pakistan will `forge` anything with india. our policymakers have china to rely on, and gwadar port (which will be the most advanced city in south asia in 20 years. this is a standing challenge of mine) is ample proof of this. india will never catch up with china. it will always be the most dominant economy in the area, and pakistan will always benefit from it.

Re: # 9

Jingoism and pride rearing its` ugy head again??.Pakistan , at best , can aim to become the ``canada`` of south asia.AND, that is possible only by forging close , economic cooperation with India.Sometimes, one has to swallow bitter pills in order to survive.The indian economy is expected to grow @ 7.74 % this year, upward of the earlier estimate of 6.9%.And, it is a three trillion plus economy.Go figure!!.

Re: # 9
I got more for you............
BBC News
Last Updated: Tuesday, 26 April, 2005, 15:52 GMT 16:52 UK
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Air India to buy 50 Boeing planes
Air India plans to float its shares on the stockmarket
Air India`s board on Tuesday agreed to buy Boeing airplanes worth up to 300bn rupees (£3.62bn; $6.9bn), in what could be India`s biggest aviation deal yet.
Air India has been in talks with both Boeing and Airbus for the past year about the purchase of some 50 planes.

Airline travel is booming in India, rising 26.5% in the six months to March.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4486327.stm

Re: # 9

Wait!!!.I got even more.............

Bajaj Auto gets nod for Pak venture
Source: IANS.


New Delhi, April 27: Pakistan Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has given Bajaj Auto the go-ahead to establish a venture with the Saigol family in the country to assemble completely-knocked-down kits (CKDs) of two-wheelers imported from India. Aziz has conveyed this to Bajaj Auto Chairman Rahul Bajaj over the phone.

``I spoke to the Pakistani Prime Minister over the phone two or three times. He said we could sign a technology transfer agreement but plans for a manufacturing facility would have to wait,`` Bajaj told Business Standard.

According to Bajaj, representatives from the Saigol family were recently at Bajaj Auto`s headquarters in Pune to discuss the project. He, however, said the date for starting the operations in Pakistan was yet to be decided.

Because of political differences, a full-fledged manufacturing facility cannot be set up by any Indian company in Pakistan. Bajaj Auto hopes to export 50,00-100,000 CKDs to Pakistan in the next 2-3 years.

http://www.bajajauto.com/1024/index.asp

Re: # 6

thats because india has been growing rapidly now for well over a decade, while the 90`s was essentially a lost decase economically for pakistan. however, pakistan is now well on its way to playing catch up. in fact, it will be interesting to see whether india will be able to sustain its growth rates, which it must do since even 24% (as you claim) of the indian population comes to a huge number, as there are now 1 billion indians. you can do the math yourself. pakistans poverty rates will come down very quickly over the next few years. the musharraf government has begun tackling the problem very innovatively. its not a matter of if, but just when.