Islam vs. Islam

I don`t agree with Cemendtaur`s views. How can a fan following be comparable to a cult? He makes it sound like as if junoon fans would jump off a cliff if they asked them to.

I think Mr. Writer has not been to many concerts in the past. The energy and momentum are typical of any such event.

#53 by echoboom

echo,

Thanks. Really enjoyed the song.

Esp. for Harish, & Manlangi who requested the audio for that Rafi song.

I hope others will enjoy it as well. Please tick the box or click on the song: 3rd from top.

Tin Kanashtar Peet

well i`m smiling Mr. Writer because your comments somewhat remind me of what my dad says about junoon...he doesnt like them either and though i havent heard the band since two years, i was a huge fan of their music...esp ``sayonee`` is divine!

but you are entitled to have an opinion and so i respect your article although i dont think Osama bin Laden and Junoon are comparable at all ...and oh you do paint a pretty nice picture of the concert...brought back memories of old :)

This is a very silly article. Cemendtaur makes Ali Azmat and Junoon sound like the greatest threat to Islamic civilization since Genghis Khan and the Mongols.

Re: # 48

bell,

.... eddie vedder collaborated with nusrat on the soundtrack for dead man walking - which was awesome - but i don`t know of anything else he did with pearl jam ......... i heard they have done a concer or two with rahat, nusrat`s nephew ........ ??

......... unfortunately, as you get more ``mature`` like me you sort of taper off music and end up stuck in the era of your college days ......... most people stop paying any attention to the music scene after they hit thirty - it is the younger generation that keeps music alive ........ if it weren`t for my kids i would still be happy listening to pink floyd, ccr and kishore kumar !

#44 by shishapa

[Anybody remembers how Freddie Mercury died?]

Of AIDS I think.

Hamidm,


Nirvana is much more than `Smells like teen spirit`. They were a cursed band, they wanted no part of the mainstream but got it in dollops, hence the quick demise. The concept of Nirvana is what appeals to most of us, and the raw energy of the music.

On a side note, have you ever heard the songs that Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and Pearl Jam sang together ?

to everyone else,

About western and sub-continental music, I see no reason to stick to either one. Why can`t someone enjoy both at the same time, or just one. Why should we be forced to listen to something. After all, that is not what music is about. I remember my undergrad years (late 90s early 2000s), we used to listen to metal one day and jJagjit Singh the next, music is but a reflection of moods.

Sometimes I like the raw aggression of Nirvana, while at other times the musical perfection of Led Zepplin or the amazing grace and poetry of Jagjit Singh etc.

Junoon started out well, but has degerated to bubble gum pop these days. There are many better bands in the sub-continent. I would recommend Indian Ocean for one.

regards,

Why an Western born and raised kid should or would not enjoy western music from bob dylan to whatever? why would they listen to say Abida Parveen auntie? I agree there. When an America or Canada born nephew/niece/cousin starts showing interest in Kirtan and Alam Lohar that scares the hell out of me. Similarily when someone talks about JLO in amritsar that scares me too. This kid in Amritsar talked about ``Friends`` and every episode of it in so much detail that I had to advise his parents to once in a while take him to some local mela to show him realty around him. Both of these people are detached from their realities.
Why would anyone above 35 listen Junoon and swirl his head? anyone desi and over 40 screaming in junoon concert is like calling a shrink in middle age panic attack.

everything has a time, place and generation for it.
but Junoon sucks big time.
BUT if as Ali say, if they can stand between Mullah and Makhlooq and save the makhlooq...I will start bying their CDs.

Shipsha:44
There are all kinds of stories (yes stories, NOt rumours, NOt conspiracy theories) that he, alongwith so many of his friends and friends of the Bush clan, are comfortably ensconced in the white house.

They are all relishing and enjoying their capers. and planning a few more post-white house.

Watch the Dirty Rotten Scoundrels-- Osama is played by Michael Caine.


hamidm2:

The nubile ones are not allowing you to grow-up. You try painfully hard to always make way into the Gallup polls and Nielson ratings--early signs of rot.

When Nadir Shah pointed out to Muhammad Shah Rangeela that a lot of his constituencies are rebelling & declaring autonomy, he (MSR) speding too much time on the Peacock Throne.

MRS replied: `` Oh that is super! the more autonomous they become, the more our workload be lessened``

He believed in never having to say no to those who were supposed to be his wards.

You have an inherent ability to join the enemy at the `right` time.


Sleeper-cell song:

No mullah am I, all my relatives are, prostitutes & pimps
Bombs I`ve none & I`ve been seen in company of wimps
I roll myself up day & night in the star-spangled banner
You didn`t notice me saluting TwinTowers in your manner?

Re: # 39

echo,

``Music lovers in the `west` as well, including the youngones, have their needles stuck in the seventies. ``

............ no, not really ............ as the bowling for soup song goes, some are stuck in 1985 !!!

...... you obviously don`t know any eighteen and twelve year olds ! ........... how come i am spending a fortune on i-tune gift cards and always shelling out money for concerts by all sorts of bands that i (and you) have never heard of ?........ cold play, the strokes, white stripes, maroon 5, the killers, whatever, etc ........ and what is this indie hair style all about ?

.............of course if you ask me nobody beats the stones and nirvana ......... ``i can`t get no satisfaction`` (1965) and ``smells like teen spirit `` (1991) were the best songs ever - but that was a long long time ago !

.......... but what kind of music are the the sleeper cell jihadis lstening to nowdays ? ....... black sabbath ?

Re # 43

Hmm.... What else is he doing while singing?

Anybody remembers how Freddie Mercury died?

hamidm2:
wonder what tune osama is singing in his cave ? ........... maybe echo can enlighten us

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enlightenment you requested; enlightenment you`ll get:
He is singing:

We are the champions, my friend
& we`ll keep on fightin`, till the end!

Re: # 38

tahmed,

..... you are evil ! ..........

.......... but as somewhat of a music buff myself, i get really ticked off when people try to label music ``bad`` just because it is ``western``........ growing up i heard the same sort of crap being said about ahmed rushdi, runa laila, alamgir, the vital signs, sajjad ali, nazia and zoeb hassan, hassan jehangir and anyone else who did not fit the mullah`s hate-filled mold ............ the progeny of zia lives on !

....... i wonder what tune osama is singing in his cave ? ........... maybe echo can enlighten us .....

CCR and ko ko korina still rock !

I would rather watch hijras clap and twirl (nails hammered underneath my nails is the only torture that will even make me do this) than hear or see Junoon sing.

So what if more people like Junoon? There are more beetles in one dung pile than there are peacocks in the entire jungle. Does that mean the dung is better?

hamidm: When the brits were still doing the British Raj thing in India, my father struck a blow for independence by switching the radio at the army officers club from english music to good old indian music. A british brigadier (overranking my father, a mere captain at the time) turned red at this insult to the British Raj, walked over and switched the music back to english. My father waited until the old boy had gone, then switched it back to indian music. The other british officers held their peace, and one of them told my father they admired his guts. The whole thing was very symbolic back then.

fuzair: 36
raining of pigs:
`` hUm toa sumjhhay thhay kay barsaat meiN barsay gee sharaab
aaee barsaat toa, aee barsaat toa, barsaat ney dil toaRR diyaa!``

AllUn Fakir rocks. So does Nashanaas. and Shehki alongwith that Iranian-girl (Can`t recall the name); and Abida Parveen; and Tina Sani. and Farida KhanUm; and remember Raushan Araa Begum?

I was fortunate to have been presented a tape of Mukhtar Begum--Nur Jehaan`s mentor.

hamidm2 , though,does have a point there about Lata , but then I do not want to start an Indo-Pak nuclear war. Despite what he says about her she does have the range & a superb artistic acumen--despite her soprano vocal-chords [people do like the Koel notes; nothing can be done about it; BeeGees & so many in the west are popular for same reason].

He is damn right about some of our bay-suraa but baa-surah Quaris.

and hamidm2 is just assuming that I do not like ``western`` music. There is nothing western or eastern about music. Indian music is , alongwith its aborginal music, is also `western` influenced--meaning Iranian, Turkish, arabic, and afghani. I will resist the temptation here to drop names so as just not to drag the discussion. Music lovers in the `west` as well, including the youngones, have their needles stuck in the seventies.

After that music is on a drip there as well.

hamidm2:
About Saigol, Abida, and `classical` music of India, all I can say is:

`` Haaey kumbukht toO ney pee hee naheeN`` ( not english valaa pee)

hamidm #54 Whaddya mean mullahs cant sing. See this flea-ridden little man that our good hound dog mushy brought home - he is probably singing like a nightingale right now, before an appreciative audience of interrogators. mullahs can sing - they just need the right ambience (provided by police thanas all across Pakistan). :-)

Re: # 36

fuzair mian,

....... i am disappointed - may the pigs land on your head and may you rot in a music wasteland where the only instrument is the daf !

........... look, nobody is arguing that every genre of music has its followers - except idiocies like indian classical wailing and bushmen clicks which have fan clubs of twenty one malnourished natives in loin cloths and ten naked pygmies respectively - but popular music will always have wide appeal among the masses .............. i loved alun faqir`s duet with muhammad ali shekhi, but that was then and even then he was no match for people like rafi and that silly nasal toned indian banshee, lata ..........heck, he couldn`t even come close to alamgir who, astagfirullah, pranced around lon stage ike a brown mick jagger high on ten cups on tea ..........

............whether we like it or not, western music sets the trend and muhammad ali shekhi was always more popular than poor alun faqir ............ nobody paid any attention to nusrat, the fat man from faisalabad, until he changed his tune ............as for his fat female counterpart, popularized by the ameer-ul-momineen, i don`t know anyone under forty who listened to her ......... let`s not forget that the under twenty crowd is the biggest consumer of music in every society - yes, even saudi arabia ! ........... this phenomenon is worldwide: the kids on the streets of tokyo have little use for kabuki and are more likely to be found dancing the night away to techno music in rappongi .........and believe it or not, shanghai has a house of blues and jazz and a cotton club along with the shanghai symphony orchestra ............

........... it is silly to wring our hands and moan about the ``westernization`` of our music and the loss of our ``culture`` when the younger generation is going to do what they are going to do.......... every time i go to pakistan my nieces and nephews are raving about some new group -epi, fakhar, jawad, master and billah ...... i have no idea who these peoople are and some of them sound pretty bad, but then, i am not fifteen ............ i remember my father turning up his nose at the popular indian music we listened to in the seventies - as far as he was concerned music had died with saigol and talat mahmood !...........but even he had no use for indian classical music - come to think of it, of the hundreds of people i know - friends and family - i don`t know a single person who actually listens to ustad whatshisname ali khan !

............. in some ways the younger generation is more open minded than old foggies like me (and you?) ........... my daughter, who is a music afficionado with 5000 plus songs on her i-pod, has a rather eclectic taste - everything from bob dylan, louis armstrong, the back street boys, white stiripes, the beatles and, yes, the new bhangra coming out of england ..........so i took a chance and listened to the kings of leon, and guess what ?..... they are pretty darn good !.......

........... people like echoboom are so consumed by their hatred of the ``other`` that they actually think the recitation of the koran by a castrated qari is better music than bob dylan singing tweedle dee and tweedle dum ! .......... contrary to the popular myth, the music did not die with buddy holly .....................

Re: Echoboom #22

Ok folks, take an umbrella when you go out; the flying pigs are out in force today as I, again, agree with Echoboom.

OK, here`s the acid test: What does Echoboom think of Allun (sp?) Fakir?

Re: # 34
drLokraj Bhai
Sufi music and poetry are food for the soul.They trancend the barriers of religion ,politics and I think, even language.Those who are hungry will search for it.The great Rumi said once, ``sufi music to me is like the creaking of the doors of Heaven``.An ignorant fool in the audience said i dont like the creaking sound of doors. Rumi replied ,``thats because you hear them shut ,I hear them open``
BTW Have you heard Raqse bismil by Abida Parveen?I loved it.

30: hamidm2
Its not you speaking,its the education you received and the values you learnt.

tumhari aur tum jaisaoN ki badqismati hae agar tum NooraN aur Baker Ali kay baray meiN nahiN jaantay.

31:echoboom
Thanks
baazicha-e-atfaal hae duniya meray aagay
hota hae shab-o-roz tamaasha meray aagay

To my indian brothers and sisters in the US.....DO NOT march along with pak`s in Frisco, for all of you`ll get profiled.Also, i don`t think anything other than formal diplomatic relations with pakistan is not advisable and in our (indian) interests.Individual friendships are ok, i guess and are unavoidable.Yesterday an ISI agent was turned in by locals in Old Delhi.He had fake currency and drugs on his possession.Pakistan has not given MFN trade status to india even at its` own loss, based on some `core` issue.What is the purpose of SAARC and SAFTA??.

Pakistan is responsible for losses amounting into tens of millions of dollars due to piracy of indian movies and music especially Bollywood products.It is not the `rich` producers who are affected the most, but the average make-up artist, musician, stunt man and movie `extra` who lose out in terms of added salaries and incentives.Inspite of appeals by the indian govt. and international agencies incly. the US FBI being involved pakistan has continued to resist and video piracy of indian entertainment products goes on unchecked.

Please don`t get carried away by the false bonhomies of our western neighbour.Think about all of us living in india and working hard to convert an almost ``written off`` nation into one of the foremost nations of the world economically and culturally.Your actions in supporting those who wish us and do harm to us, sends a wrong signal to the western world as if indo-pak rivalry is just a petty by-product of partition and history.This threat is very real, paks are consumed by jealousy towards india and at any time , will use any opportunity to cause us harm.There are , i`m sure, good paks who do wish us well.But , they are in a minority, that`s for sure.I request all indians who plan to attend this rally to think carefully and rationally and consider the millions of us in India who are at risk, due to misplaced actions by people like yourselves who live in the west.Thank you very much.

March this Sunday


> http://www.friendsofsouthasia.org/events/indpakpeace/
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> Ind-Pak Peace Solidarity March in San Francisco
> Sunday May 15, 1pm
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> Join us for a ~3 mile march starting at
> Mission St/16th St BART [map] and ending at Gadar
> Memorial Hall in Japantown [map].
> (download html flyer)
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> March Details
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> Start: Mission St at 16th St
> End: 5 Wood St (Near Wood St at Geary
> Blvd)
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> We will start congregating around 1pm,
> and start walking at 1.30pm. You can
> join
> the march anywhere along the route. At 3pm, at the
> end
> of the march, we will have a short rally outside
> Gadar
> Memorial Hall.
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> Route:
> Head West on 16th St - towards Valencia
> St  - go 0.9 mi
> Turn Right at Castro St - go 0.5 mi
> Bear Right at Divisadero St - (Castro
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> becomes Divisadero St) -  go 0.9 mi
> Turn Left at Geary Blvd - go 0.5 mi
> Turn Right at Wood St - go 0.2 mi
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> Map: (Courtesy Google Maps,
> click on the map for larger version)
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> Show solidarity with the participants in the
> India-Pakistan Peace March, who are marching  across
> the subcontinent with the goals of establishing
> people-to-people contact,  negating the tendencies
> of
> distrust, hatred and enmity, and spreading the
> message
> of peace and harmony
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> South Asian regional politics by pushing for arms
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> SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS
> Friends of South Asia
> EKTA
> Association for India`s Development
> (AID)
> - BayArea
> Alliance of South Asians Taking Action
> (ASATA)
> American Muslim Voice
> Pakistanis at Stanford
> Pakistan American Alliance
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drlokraj:
re 30: hamidm2

Do not feel grieved by the Pakistani mascot shown in the WP cartoon aka hamidm2. His credit card bounced and couldn`t get his supply today.

He himself did all what he is recommending:

He had a vesectomy--didn`t work. Then a castration didn`t work either. Now he realises abortion was his best option.

All can learn by such western values.

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hamidm2: No reason to mess around with simple gentle folk. This is not chivalry. Please direct all your volleys at me. Understand?

Re: # 27

drlokraj,

``younger generation goes to concerts as a fashion so that they appear modern``.........

i think that is one of the stupidest comments i have heard on chowk in a long time (echo`s daily maniacal rants don`t count ) ........ i hope you never have any children and if you are thinking about it, stop right now - have an abortion, a vasectomy, a castration or whatever it takes to stop you before you make a child`s life miserable ...........

........ now carry on with your reminiscing about nooran bibi and ustad baker ali khan of maler kotla - who the heck are they and how come nobody who wears pants with two legs, applies deodrant and uses utensils to eat has not heard of them ????

........ junoon is fine with me, as is abrar and alam lohar, but for god`s sake let us not confuse music with indians wailing and bushmen licking their tongues ...........

Thanks for your valuable comments.
Here is Sayonee sung at Stanford.
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/9815
I got another audio clip, and a video clip at that site. Please search under my name.
C.

dullabhatti:26

hey that was hilarious.

The advent of synthesiser & mechanised-music has enabled every TD&H to form a band. I say even the Baboo band --I hope they are still there--are Motzarts when compared to these `` Doesn`t my side-pose make me look like Mick Jagger`` jungle-bunnies.

But the good news is that the tide is turning. Some of the newer `commercial` filmi songs are trying to turn a new leaf.

I guess we were destined to live through these interesting times.

Until & unless the aparthied (eng-medium) vocal chords are throttled and choked , no freedom can be achieved in Slavelands.


`` Sahib-e saaz pay laazim hay kay ghafil naa rahay
aksar aksar ghalat ahUnG bhee hota hai Saroosh``

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ALLAMA Iqbal.


drlokraj:27

yaar ruulaa diyaa aap nay.

`` kis kis ko bUtaaeN gey , judaaee kaa sUbUb hUm``--dost- mittar, you follow what I am trying to say here? Aakhir kitnay articles, analysis aur intellectualisation sey dimaaGh kaa screw tight hogaa? Is it not much better to spread a dUstarkhwaaN to fete the hearts?

Bibi NooraN spent her lif e in a dilapidated cottage on outskirts of Jalandhar.Except few qaafis recorded by Jalandhar Radio,nothing has been preserved.

Pooran Shahkoti,who lives on a mazaar,taught soofi music to Hans Raj Hans and Jassi who are millionairres now but he still lives same life.

Hans Raj sings ``saRkaaN tay agg turi jaandi ae`` and similar crap,but still is called sufi singer.

Ustad Baker Ali Khan of maler kotla,the last authentic classical singer was awarded fellowship by Punjabi University for his service to music when he was on death bed and had nothing to even pay for even medicines.

It is all business now and has nothing to do with music.Depends how many sponsors one can get and younger generation goes to concerts as a fashion so that they appear modern.Electronic media has been exploited fully by these businessmen.

Has anyone heard Rabbi Shergill? He also has a unique and new style but atleast his vocals are clear and crisp. He has gone overboard in some of his tracks trying to touch the extremes of uniqueness and runed it but others are good.

Anything new is most welcome. But Junoon is not new anymore...I want my 100 dollars back that I spent on their concert years ago....their music reminds me of when one time all the metal utensils placed on overhead shelves in our house fell down during an earthquake...there was big noises and then one kaulli(pot) kep rolling and rolling...tnnntnnntnnntnnnttnntnnntnnn............ to the other end of the next room and hit the wall..........TTTTTTTTTTnnnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaa.....song is over.

Pathanay Khan

Cementdaur, why does everything have to go through a religious wringer, especially when it comes to Islam in Pakistan?

Junoon is good/not good, how does that place Islam on a collision course?

Yes, Junoon has the guts to challenge a status quo in Pakistan, and take on the risks involved. Great, I just hope that each of those 600 Pakistani Junoonis who went to the Stanford concert take the opportunity next time they are in Pakistan to use music to try to make a change or improve matters. Maybe they can donate harmoniums and other musical instruments to village schools. Or they can visit places like Cordoba and Alhambra on their way home and pick up some of the sheet music going back to the Al Andalus days, which, by the way, is where it seems Junoon is getting some of their latest influences from.

drlokraj:21
This same coca-colonisation and hamburger-hegemony is evident in the matter of the famous tablaa player & sarod player. Allah Rakhaa was never accorded such recognition by the jahils of the succesors to the ``W.D and Ho Wills`` & `` By appointment to her majesty`s`` riff-raff.

Z.A . Bukhari hounded out BaRRay Ghulam Ali Khan--and then that legend about how he was coaxed to `lower` himself to compose & sing that great rendition for Mughle-Azam. Indira Gandhi acyting as a maid for Begum Akhtar when meeting Z.A. Bhutto at the Simla conference
is a well-known anecdote. `Treatment` of Josh Malihabaadi by these anglo-ungleed punks is no secret either.

Ustaad Bismillah Khan is still waiting for the Highland-bagpipers to award him a certificate so that a few more ``Junoonees`` can prove that they have acquired some Indian culture.

Laanat Lukhh Laanut.

`` Eik hUm haiN kay liyaa upnee hee soorat ko bigaaRR
Eik voh haiN, jinhaiN tasveer banaa aatee hai``

tr: Here are we who excel in defacing ourselves; and then there are those who produce exquisite paintings``

The link works very well. Sometimes gets busy. But listen you must to this genius. Pathaanay KhaaN.
another genius This he recorded when in his seventies & the French made a documentary on him. Most Pakistanis are quite aware of this genius. It is being reproduced here for dostmittar, stuka, harish, malangi & so many other non-Ba Ba Blackies.

The Ba Ba Blacksheep like Musharraf arf arf , beNazeer bezameer, Shaukee-Laukee, & the Rushdick-suckers in Pakistan try to polish their own image by ``awarding`` him pride-of-this and all that stuff which could bring their ownselves recognition by photo-ops & media-blitz

Never did these arseholes had the decency to get a dentist to fix Pathana Khan`s teeth. Of course , if a Peter Gabriel or a Dockyard-rat (Beatle) would have patronised then suddenly a Nusrat and a RaviShankar would have been ``discovered``. [`` Hey do you know Lennon is learning Sitaar? We must too``--the purveyors of alternate orifices and the effiminate ones with small t-esticles squeal]

`` KhizaaN tamaam huee, kis hisaab meiN likhiyay
bahaar-e gul meiN jo pohnchaiN haiN shaakh-e gul ko guzund``

tr: ( paraphrased) The dark night ( of slavery: colonial rule) has been over now but how do we account and answer for the subjugation which we have endure now that we are free``

malangi:20
I am trying; it is not easy--but inshaAllah I will find it one day.

Re: # 16
Well said about Alam Lohar.Same can be said about Lal Chand Yamla Jatt who used toombi(smaller version of Ik-taara) for the first time in Punjabi folk and composed his own lyrics.He was ``illiterate``in technical terms but wrote so many beautiful songs.Lived like a darvesh in a dera throughout his life.
Some years ago someone brought two cassettes of Allah Ditta,which I enjoyed a lot.I wonder what happened of him?
Other good Punjabi singers are Puran Chand Wadali and Pyare Lal Wadali-simple ``paindoo`` folks from Amritsar District who sing mainly qaafis.

Re: # 8

The only thing I had remebered from this song was the line Teen kanastar...and the way Rafi sang those words. Thank you for the lyrics. Do you have a link for the audio.

Regards.

#14 by fuzair wrote: For once I find myself agreeing with Echoboom (!! gigantic flying pigs everywhere!!!), Junoon is truly pathetic and a sad excuse for music. AND
I`d rather listen to Abrar ul Haq`s ``Billo dey Ghar`` or ``Billo on GT Road.``

#16 by Boombox wrote regarding Junoon: These arseholes neither have a clue about music nor about poetry. They know not western music nor do they know eastern music. ..Now Abrar is solid, genuine, refreshing. What a great gift to Panjabi music.

If only you folks from the Bara or Bada sooba understood music. Abrar ul Haq vs Junoon..... what a stupid comparison. Abrar sings ``commercial`` music and is only concerned about making money by singing his cheap ``filmy`` music.
Junoon on the other hand has some good poetry.... the lyrics make sense (except a few) but over all their music makes sense.
#4 dullabhatti: Your name seems like you too belong to the Bada sooba but then they don`t use the term ``burger`` rather ``mummy daddy``.
How can you say that Junoon is only for burgers or ABCD`s. That is just an absurd statement. have you ever listened to their music or your taste in music is limited to the ``Bazari Shairy`` that is so common in Pakistan.
For those of you who have never heard their music, go this the link below and listen to the songs, and if you have taste you would enjoy them.
http://www.junoon.com/jeemography_files/lyrics_files/junoon_album_lyrics_andaz.html

harish_syed:9
You are most welcome.

You would also enjoy this one by Mehdi Hassan. But then this is URDU--see the beauty of poetry and the great music of Khurshid Anwar.


Aye raushniyaUN ke shehr bataa

Re: # 16

.....it is nonsense like this that makes a mockery out of music !

...... alam (and arif) lohar were great musicians in their own right, but to expect kids raised on western rock `n` roll to like them is silly beyond words - junoon, on the other hand, bridged the gap effectively ............. chinese, arab, japanese and eskimo music is going the same way and there is nothing that can, or needs to be done ...........

......... paranoia must be treated and the music must go on ...........

fuzair: 14

Thanks for launching the Porcine AirLines. There was a trial flight once before.


Now Abrar is solid, genuine, refreshing. What a great gift to Panjabi music.

We, the self-doubters of our own IQs and EQs, have become so much used to acquiring education that we feel uncomfortable to become examining bodies. Until & unless a certificate is issued by the colonisers we discard our own creative impulses.

`` Ghulami kya hai? zauq-e husn-O-zeba-ish sey mehroomee
Jisay zeba kahaiN azaad bUnday , hay vohee zeba``

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ALLAMA Iqbal

tr: What is Slavery? An absence (in someone) of aesthetics & an inability to discriminate.
Whatever is deemed propper by free-men, is indeed propper & correct.



In my opinion, not necessarily humble, Alam Lohaar must be declared the topmost musician, singer, composer and innovator in Desi music [ of course, if there are others like him I want to know]. We waste time & money doing out totaa-mainaa routine about Amir KhusrO [ great guy for sure] but are perhaps waiting for another 800 years for someone [ in power, position, and prestige] to point out to us Alam Lohaar. The guy added a new genre (Jugni) to music, Popularised & got acceptance for Chimta as a musical instrument, wrote his simple, elegant and fabulous poetry--the guy kept the name Lohaar! his proud family trade & vocation.

He worked for the Railways as a Lohaar (Iron smith) and entertained the workers outside the workshop during lunch hour.

He, indeed, was a free man.

who the heck is king of leons ????

............ that`s what i asked my daughter when she said that they were driving all the way to cleveland to go to a concert ?.............. ``who the heck is junoon and abrar and that whiny nasal toned woman lata whathername that you guys listen to ?`` ............ good point!............. i apologized for dragging her to an abrar concert a few years ago - she still hasn`t recovered from the trauma ...........

............ on another note we are going to a big wedding in a few weeks where the only music allowed will be the daf - an ``islamic`` instrument sanctioned by the prophet ........... that`s why i ask mrs hamidm to stay away from indian muslims, specially hyderabadis - their taste in music is unearthly ...........

Yes, the Muslim world is perhaps on a collision course with itself, and the unGodly (who call themselves hyperGodly) are winning but Junoon is nowhere in this picture.

For once I find myself agreeing with Echoboom (!! gigantic flying pigs everywhere!!!), Junoon is truly pathetic and a sad excuse for music. I remember watching part of their UN concert on TV, the first time that I had ever heard anything by them, and thinking just how bad they were. No wonder they were playing to empty stands! I`d rather listen to Abrar ul Haq`s ``Billo dey Ghar`` or ``Billo on GT Road.``

This trend in music is reflective of the overall changes sweeping the world in all areas of life.It is not something which only the Islamic world is facing and BTW is there a separate world for followers of Islam? I dont enjoy pop music which is akin to the instant food or junk food or many similar things or trends.I prefer to listen to Beghum Akhtar or Mehdi Hassan or Yamla Jatt,but there are others in my own house who dont like them but enjoy listening to Jazzy B,Junoon or Shaan and I always fall in minority.They say it is their choice and I should mind my own business and keep listening to my kind of music.The individualization,starting from the west is engulfing everything.
When we take pride in driving Fords and Mercs and drink coffy at Dunkin Donuts or Batista and order Pizzas from Pizza Hut and quote Wordsworth or Keats and avoid talking about Manto,Iqbal or Munshi Prem Chand and beg for funds from WB and IMF every now and then,this was bound to happen and this is still a small change.Wait for few years,our children will start spending nights out and on being asked,will retort back,``you have no right to decide,what is right for me;this is MY life.``

#7 Rozaiba: Don’t get it wrong! The musical group “Junoon” is probably just fine. (Very few interactors here have any problem with that. Besides, the simple fact is that a lot of people attend those musical events because they LIKE to.)

But to extend it into an “Islam vs. Islam” or even “Islam vs. Muslim” phenomenon would take lot of hard stretching work, a feat that would be difficult to accomplish unless one perhaps enters (what I fondly call) the “HP state of mind” (which would probably require some serious preparation involving high-priced alcoholic beverages).

And unlike the spin that this guy #11 seems to be putting on it now, I don’t believe that the original article was meant as a satire!

And the rest of the stuff #11 talks about? What a load of (sorry, there is no other way to put it) CRAP!

Cemendtaur:

you acidly observe ``this storm seems to portray the notion that the way life is presently lived in the west can be lived in the Muslim lands, with the native cultural stamp affixed and a light coat of Islam painted on it ``

A salutary tribute to your writing: this article feasts a magical backdrop of modern Rock and Qawalli favorably fused: yet accentuating an identity confrontation within American-born Muslims/Pakistanis. The truths and contradictions about themselves, a pluralistic dual identity crisis will hopefully mesh and metamorphose itself into invigorating strength.

Music is a potent instrument that both unites and divides this captive Junoon audience. Fence-sitting is only a natural by-product of a super-imposed class of civilizations. Junoon mythically meander through their lyrics crushing Huntingtonian trodden paths to offer an alternative-

Not clash but co-alition.

Not contempt but caring.

Junoon are emblematic in that they are one of the precious few bands who reveal their music with poetic, evocative and philosophical underpinnings: enticingly re-inventing the cultural wheel fortifying an inquietude: One can reside in the West and hold traditional beliefs simultaneously: be they Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Parsi or Jain.

An endless search for transcendental passion only comes of age through internal cultural conciliation.

The shimmering air and light of dawn, even amongst torrid tensions of identity, finds its way through the capturing confines of obscurantism.

Your piece is a gift for any music fan and a must-read for identity conciliators.

well its difficult for some people to accept change and more difficult for some to appreciate others..! this is what these interactions clearly prove.

Get a life guys...nothing is in clash with each other..nor music neither the religion..

Keep dreaming..!

#8 by echoboom

Thanks! I never knew such a song existed, even though I have followed Kishore, Mukesh and Rafi very closely. I`ll definitely add this one to my collection.

Thanks again.

Teen kanastar peet peet kar
Gala phaaRR kar chillana
Yaar mere mat bura maan
Yeh gaana hai na bajaana hai
Teen kanastar...

Naach ke badle kamar hilana
Uchchal ke circus dikhlana
Bhool hai teri tu samjha hai
Duniya paagal khaana hai
Teen kanastar...


Udhar se le kar, Idhar jama kar,
Kab tak kaam chalaoge
Kiska raha zamana ek din
Mehfil se uthh jaaoge
Naqual ka dhanda chal nahin sakta
Ik din toh pachhtana hai

Yaar mere mat bura maan
Yeh gaana hai na bajaana hai
Teen kanastar...


Bhool gaya tu Taansen ki
Taan yehin par goonji thi
Sur ke jaadoogar Baiju ki
Shaan yehin par goonji thi
Markay amar hai Sehgal usska
Har koi deewana hai, har koi deewana hai,

Yaar mere mat bura maan
Yeh gaana hai na bajaana hai

Teen kanastar…



The scathing lyrics that take a purposeful potshot at plagiarism are penned by Shailendra. It is set to a lip-smacking catchy tune by Shankar Jaikishan for the film Love Marriage (1959) and sung with gusto by the inimitable Mohd. Rafi.

This 5:38 minute song has a two-minute prelude – an instrumental duel between the jazz / rock western sounds and the traditional slow eastern melody. Both the sets (with the western sounds being longer, leading to the jibe by the hero in the song) are a wonderful display of the duo’s expertise and versatility.

Despite all the negative comments (uncalled for really), Long live Junoon!

This article is well and truly pathetic. A rock music correction to the jihadic path. Read the new my friend, bomb blast in srinagar and pak based organisation claims responsibility. there you have it, it is claiming responsibility to attact more funds more support so that the jihadic diktat of the book is met.

Jonoon, the rock music, what a counter act to the bombs of the jihadis. Pathetic

dullabhati:4

Thank you very much for being that little kid who said `` but the King is Naked``.

These arseholes neither have a clue about music nor about poetry. They know not western music nor do they know eastern music. They know Zilch, Nada, Nil.

These are buffoons & bufoons who concentrate on ``looks``. Pay attention to their antics. Guitar in hand, these bunders have somehow developed the illusion that they look like a ``faariner``.

Look at the way the have their body-language. These are not even third-rate imitators. At least the genuine imitator announces that he is imitating.

Rafi sang a great song lampooning these freaks ; who at that time tried to be aping Rock `n` Roll. Stupid arseholes.

`` Teen-KUnUster peeT peeT kr gUlaa phaaRR kr chillana
yaar miray, mUT buraa maan, yeh Gaana hai, naa bjaana hai``.


When Nusrta Fateh was singing Qawwalis at the dargaahs & Uurs for ages, & this kanjaRR class was nowhere around. Lo & behold! Peter Gabriel ``discovers`` Nusrat, and these toads, from the cantonement & colonies, hopscotched to his Qawwalis and feigned haals--these toads & toadies.

Nusrat Fateh Khan got corrupted ever since then. He was never a Qawwal after that; he became a westernised excuse of a singer.

It is riff-raff like this who are a curse on Pakistan. No wonder they get a pat on the back as : ``Good Dogie; nice Doggie. you do good kewwaalley man I like good dogie Kewwalley``




PS: This guy SamandTaur ( wonder why he spells as cemendtaur) has an agenda. He belongs to the Society of Alternate, pluralistic, diverse, & liberal use of the Orifices. Such kind do not like Islamic laws. He thinks he is maadern.

No offense Ali bhai, but Junoon is junk. They make lot of noise but you can`t make what they are saying. ABCD and Burger class feels good about it because it makes them feel close to home(thinking that they are listening something desi) and at the same time feel hip and westernized.

Tell me, is there anyone in Pakistan outside of urban and english educated crowd and ABCDs who listens Junoon or is moved by it? I doubt.
I agree it is different and might have some thing new about it that might triger some intellectual discussion..but thats about it.

Yippee!.Yay!.Hurrah!.Wow!.`Junoon` a pak band played at STANFORD!.Wow!.For an audience of 600 odd muslims.Islam is being challenged.Islam is at war with itself.Why?.`Cause a pak music band by the nom de plume `junoon` played at STANFORD.Y`know, the prestigious IVY LEAGUE UNIVERSITY in California.``Junoon`` on the major NATO-NON-ALLY preferred list of music bands that can play at american colleges and universities??.I`M SO IMPRESSED.

I believe the right heading should be ``Islam Vs Muslims.``

Islam is still the same as it was reveiled 1400 years ago. Some Muslims are trying to change Islam their way.

Asfand

It is so gratifying (almost melts my heart) to see that some authors are seriously taking an earlier advice I provided about jazzing up an article’s title to improve popularity!

So a bunch of Pakistanis and Pakistani Americans come to watch a music show where some of them actually dance! Lo and behold, the “land of madrassahs” (the author’s words) suddenly becomes the “land of pop music”. This is too much to swallow, even for me! O what an intra-Islamic clash – and what junoon (insanity)! Or maybe, just maybe (perish the thought) these guys went there to just to have fun (and not to make a statement)?!!

Notes:
[The storm is gaining momentum and Junoonis, as the fans of Junoon are called, are swelling in numbers all over the world.]
Q: So how many are there?
A: […. a sold-out Kresge Auditorium (capacity: six hundred)]. Now THAT ought to be more than enough to hold the other faction back!

[… young, educated people seeking to set apart a clear identity in a tense world where fence sitters are looked down upon.]
I am sure at the end of the show some of them actually got up and denounced terrorism! (What do you mean they didn’t?)

[…Ali Azmat, the shaven-headed lead singer of the band, is the main entertainer. He shakes, he swirls, he moves his pelvis, and struts from one end of the stage to the other. ]
[…--he introduced the bass guitarist of the band with a gesture that appeared pretty close to a Nazi salute!]
What do we have here? The makings of a Pakistani Elvis sans hair as well as sans a few “little grey cells” inside what the hair is supposed to cover?

[Well, move out of the way Mr. Fire Marshall, tonight the crowd doesn`t want you to come between it and its religious pursuit of happiness.]
Not abiding by the rules that make common sense? Now THAT makes this crowd SO different from the “other” faction!

[… and pray the reader can imagine what you are talking about.]
Must pray VERY hard!

[…this storm seems to portray the notion that the way life is presently lived in the west can be lived in the Muslim lands, with the native cultural stamp affixed and a light coat of Islam painted on it.]
Just as long as it is safely ensconced within the walls of Kresge Auditorium!