Islam vs. Islam

Re: # 16

.....it is nonsense like this that makes a mockery out of music !

...... alam (and arif) lohar were great musicians in their own right, but to expect kids raised on western rock `n` roll to like them is silly beyond words - junoon, on the other hand, bridged the gap effectively ............. chinese, arab, japanese and eskimo music is going the same way and there is nothing that can, or needs to be done ...........

......... paranoia must be treated and the music must go on ...........

harish_syed:9
You are most welcome.

You would also enjoy this one by Mehdi Hassan. But then this is URDU--see the beauty of poetry and the great music of Khurshid Anwar.


Aye raushniyaUN ke shehr bataa

#14 by fuzair wrote: For once I find myself agreeing with Echoboom (!! gigantic flying pigs everywhere!!!), Junoon is truly pathetic and a sad excuse for music. AND
I`d rather listen to Abrar ul Haq`s ``Billo dey Ghar`` or ``Billo on GT Road.``

#16 by Boombox wrote regarding Junoon: These arseholes neither have a clue about music nor about poetry. They know not western music nor do they know eastern music. ..Now Abrar is solid, genuine, refreshing. What a great gift to Panjabi music.

If only you folks from the Bara or Bada sooba understood music. Abrar ul Haq vs Junoon..... what a stupid comparison. Abrar sings ``commercial`` music and is only concerned about making money by singing his cheap ``filmy`` music.
Junoon on the other hand has some good poetry.... the lyrics make sense (except a few) but over all their music makes sense.
#4 dullabhatti: Your name seems like you too belong to the Bada sooba but then they don`t use the term ``burger`` rather ``mummy daddy``.
How can you say that Junoon is only for burgers or ABCD`s. That is just an absurd statement. have you ever listened to their music or your taste in music is limited to the ``Bazari Shairy`` that is so common in Pakistan.
For those of you who have never heard their music, go this the link below and listen to the songs, and if you have taste you would enjoy them.
http://www.junoon.com/jeemography_files/lyrics_files/junoon_album_lyrics_andaz.html

Re: # 8

The only thing I had remebered from this song was the line Teen kanastar...and the way Rafi sang those words. Thank you for the lyrics. Do you have a link for the audio.

Regards.

Re: # 16
Well said about Alam Lohar.Same can be said about Lal Chand Yamla Jatt who used toombi(smaller version of Ik-taara) for the first time in Punjabi folk and composed his own lyrics.He was ``illiterate``in technical terms but wrote so many beautiful songs.Lived like a darvesh in a dera throughout his life.
Some years ago someone brought two cassettes of Allah Ditta,which I enjoyed a lot.I wonder what happened of him?
Other good Punjabi singers are Puran Chand Wadali and Pyare Lal Wadali-simple ``paindoo`` folks from Amritsar District who sing mainly qaafis.

The link works very well. Sometimes gets busy. But listen you must to this genius. Pathaanay KhaaN.
another genius This he recorded when in his seventies & the French made a documentary on him. Most Pakistanis are quite aware of this genius. It is being reproduced here for dostmittar, stuka, harish, malangi & so many other non-Ba Ba Blackies.

The Ba Ba Blacksheep like Musharraf arf arf , beNazeer bezameer, Shaukee-Laukee, & the Rushdick-suckers in Pakistan try to polish their own image by ``awarding`` him pride-of-this and all that stuff which could bring their ownselves recognition by photo-ops & media-blitz

Never did these arseholes had the decency to get a dentist to fix Pathana Khan`s teeth. Of course , if a Peter Gabriel or a Dockyard-rat (Beatle) would have patronised then suddenly a Nusrat and a RaviShankar would have been ``discovered``. [`` Hey do you know Lennon is learning Sitaar? We must too``--the purveyors of alternate orifices and the effiminate ones with small t-esticles squeal]

`` KhizaaN tamaam huee, kis hisaab meiN likhiyay
bahaar-e gul meiN jo pohnchaiN haiN shaakh-e gul ko guzund``

tr: ( paraphrased) The dark night ( of slavery: colonial rule) has been over now but how do we account and answer for the subjugation which we have endure now that we are free``

malangi:20
I am trying; it is not easy--but inshaAllah I will find it one day.

drlokraj:21
This same coca-colonisation and hamburger-hegemony is evident in the matter of the famous tablaa player & sarod player. Allah Rakhaa was never accorded such recognition by the jahils of the succesors to the ``W.D and Ho Wills`` & `` By appointment to her majesty`s`` riff-raff.

Z.A . Bukhari hounded out BaRRay Ghulam Ali Khan--and then that legend about how he was coaxed to `lower` himself to compose & sing that great rendition for Mughle-Azam. Indira Gandhi acyting as a maid for Begum Akhtar when meeting Z.A. Bhutto at the Simla conference
is a well-known anecdote. `Treatment` of Josh Malihabaadi by these anglo-ungleed punks is no secret either.

Ustaad Bismillah Khan is still waiting for the Highland-bagpipers to award him a certificate so that a few more ``Junoonees`` can prove that they have acquired some Indian culture.

Laanat Lukhh Laanut.

`` Eik hUm haiN kay liyaa upnee hee soorat ko bigaaRR
Eik voh haiN, jinhaiN tasveer banaa aatee hai``

tr: Here are we who excel in defacing ourselves; and then there are those who produce exquisite paintings``

Cementdaur, why does everything have to go through a religious wringer, especially when it comes to Islam in Pakistan?

Junoon is good/not good, how does that place Islam on a collision course?

Yes, Junoon has the guts to challenge a status quo in Pakistan, and take on the risks involved. Great, I just hope that each of those 600 Pakistani Junoonis who went to the Stanford concert take the opportunity next time they are in Pakistan to use music to try to make a change or improve matters. Maybe they can donate harmoniums and other musical instruments to village schools. Or they can visit places like Cordoba and Alhambra on their way home and pick up some of the sheet music going back to the Al Andalus days, which, by the way, is where it seems Junoon is getting some of their latest influences from.

Pathanay Khan

Has anyone heard Rabbi Shergill? He also has a unique and new style but atleast his vocals are clear and crisp. He has gone overboard in some of his tracks trying to touch the extremes of uniqueness and runed it but others are good.

Anything new is most welcome. But Junoon is not new anymore...I want my 100 dollars back that I spent on their concert years ago....their music reminds me of when one time all the metal utensils placed on overhead shelves in our house fell down during an earthquake...there was big noises and then one kaulli(pot) kep rolling and rolling...tnnntnnntnnntnnnttnntnnntnnn............ to the other end of the next room and hit the wall..........TTTTTTTTTTnnnnnnnnnnnnnaaaaaa.....song is over.

Bibi NooraN spent her lif e in a dilapidated cottage on outskirts of Jalandhar.Except few qaafis recorded by Jalandhar Radio,nothing has been preserved.

Pooran Shahkoti,who lives on a mazaar,taught soofi music to Hans Raj Hans and Jassi who are millionairres now but he still lives same life.

Hans Raj sings ``saRkaaN tay agg turi jaandi ae`` and similar crap,but still is called sufi singer.

Ustad Baker Ali Khan of maler kotla,the last authentic classical singer was awarded fellowship by Punjabi University for his service to music when he was on death bed and had nothing to even pay for even medicines.

It is all business now and has nothing to do with music.Depends how many sponsors one can get and younger generation goes to concerts as a fashion so that they appear modern.Electronic media has been exploited fully by these businessmen.

dullabhatti:26

hey that was hilarious.

The advent of synthesiser & mechanised-music has enabled every TD&H to form a band. I say even the Baboo band --I hope they are still there--are Motzarts when compared to these `` Doesn`t my side-pose make me look like Mick Jagger`` jungle-bunnies.

But the good news is that the tide is turning. Some of the newer `commercial` filmi songs are trying to turn a new leaf.

I guess we were destined to live through these interesting times.

Until & unless the aparthied (eng-medium) vocal chords are throttled and choked , no freedom can be achieved in Slavelands.


`` Sahib-e saaz pay laazim hay kay ghafil naa rahay
aksar aksar ghalat ahUnG bhee hota hai Saroosh``

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ALLAMA Iqbal.


drlokraj:27

yaar ruulaa diyaa aap nay.

`` kis kis ko bUtaaeN gey , judaaee kaa sUbUb hUm``--dost- mittar, you follow what I am trying to say here? Aakhir kitnay articles, analysis aur intellectualisation sey dimaaGh kaa screw tight hogaa? Is it not much better to spread a dUstarkhwaaN to fete the hearts?

Thanks for your valuable comments.
Here is Sayonee sung at Stanford.
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/9815
I got another audio clip, and a video clip at that site. Please search under my name.
C.

Re: # 27

drlokraj,

``younger generation goes to concerts as a fashion so that they appear modern``.........

i think that is one of the stupidest comments i have heard on chowk in a long time (echo`s daily maniacal rants don`t count ) ........ i hope you never have any children and if you are thinking about it, stop right now - have an abortion, a vasectomy, a castration or whatever it takes to stop you before you make a child`s life miserable ...........

........ now carry on with your reminiscing about nooran bibi and ustad baker ali khan of maler kotla - who the heck are they and how come nobody who wears pants with two legs, applies deodrant and uses utensils to eat has not heard of them ????

........ junoon is fine with me, as is abrar and alam lohar, but for god`s sake let us not confuse music with indians wailing and bushmen licking their tongues ...........

drlokraj:
re 30: hamidm2

Do not feel grieved by the Pakistani mascot shown in the WP cartoon aka hamidm2. His credit card bounced and couldn`t get his supply today.

He himself did all what he is recommending:

He had a vesectomy--didn`t work. Then a castration didn`t work either. Now he realises abortion was his best option.

All can learn by such western values.

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hamidm2: No reason to mess around with simple gentle folk. This is not chivalry. Please direct all your volleys at me. Understand?

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