More Tales of Sufi Wisdom
Asif Naqshbandi May 22, 2005
#28 Posted by aquaris on May 24, 2005 3:12:50 am
Re: # 27
Yes its true But I believe He did performed the Miracle of `` Shaq-ul-Qamar``...that is splitting of the moon..and then rejoining it.....
and it is also said....This phenomena was seen in India and they even sent some men to invistigate it.... Maybe Raja Bhoj`s rattan or the poet Rattan ... was one of them...
Mr Asif please enlighnten us on this too...
Yes its true But I believe He did performed the Miracle of `` Shaq-ul-Qamar``...that is splitting of the moon..and then rejoining it.....
and it is also said....This phenomena was seen in India and they even sent some men to invistigate it.... Maybe Raja Bhoj`s rattan or the poet Rattan ... was one of them...
Mr Asif please enlighnten us on this too...
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#27 Posted by asfand on May 23, 2005 5:10:31 pm
Salaam Asif,
I am a big time confused with the concepts of Sufiism and the miracles shown by the pious men and women, call them sufi or saints.
When one reads Seerat -e- Rasul Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), one can see the epic of human struggle. Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) preached Islam, fought wars, migrated from Makkah, and eventually established Islam without any miracles. There is never a miracle happened that saved Him from problems. Just read any book on Seerat-un-Nabi and you will see how much problems He had to go through to establish the deen. He dealt with all the problems at human level. This is truly a miracle.
The question that comes to my mind is that if Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) did not show any miracles (even when asked by the kafirs) how come Sufis start to show miracles that would make Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) look like a kid (nauz billah)?
For a commoner like me the impression I gets that these Sufis were some how greater then Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) nauz billah?
Do you mind clearing this for me and other like me?
Asfand Siddiqui
Sacramento California
I am a big time confused with the concepts of Sufiism and the miracles shown by the pious men and women, call them sufi or saints.
When one reads Seerat -e- Rasul Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), one can see the epic of human struggle. Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) preached Islam, fought wars, migrated from Makkah, and eventually established Islam without any miracles. There is never a miracle happened that saved Him from problems. Just read any book on Seerat-un-Nabi and you will see how much problems He had to go through to establish the deen. He dealt with all the problems at human level. This is truly a miracle.
The question that comes to my mind is that if Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) did not show any miracles (even when asked by the kafirs) how come Sufis start to show miracles that would make Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) look like a kid (nauz billah)?
For a commoner like me the impression I gets that these Sufis were some how greater then Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) nauz billah?
Do you mind clearing this for me and other like me?
Asfand Siddiqui
Sacramento California
#26 Posted by drlokraj on May 23, 2005 1:07:15 pm
Re: # 23
Echoboom, just supporting what you said about the divide which was created amongst people,I give example of my own village in doaba.An annual mela,``Chhinj``is held every year in which the whole village participates(sikhs and hindus only as muslims migrated in 47).The main attraction of the festival is the wrestling and is actually to appease a pir who is believed to be protector of ``maal-dangar``.
Second common mela is ibaadat of another peer(most likely Sakhi Sarwar),that is called ``saal`` and is held every alternate year.Interestingly,it starts with qurbani of a sheep.
Googa was a hindu king of Rajasthan,believed to be borne with Shivji`s blessing.In punjab,he is called Googa Jaahar Pir.
There are numerous other examples.
Pirs and gurus and babas were more of cultural gurus rather than religeous gurus.Politicians have tried to pigeon-hole them.
Echoboom, just supporting what you said about the divide which was created amongst people,I give example of my own village in doaba.An annual mela,``Chhinj``is held every year in which the whole village participates(sikhs and hindus only as muslims migrated in 47).The main attraction of the festival is the wrestling and is actually to appease a pir who is believed to be protector of ``maal-dangar``.
Second common mela is ibaadat of another peer(most likely Sakhi Sarwar),that is called ``saal`` and is held every alternate year.Interestingly,it starts with qurbani of a sheep.
Googa was a hindu king of Rajasthan,believed to be borne with Shivji`s blessing.In punjab,he is called Googa Jaahar Pir.
There are numerous other examples.
Pirs and gurus and babas were more of cultural gurus rather than religeous gurus.Politicians have tried to pigeon-hole them.
#25 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 23, 2005 12:53:39 pm
slan.
yes it is :-)
or you can email me at asifjuk@gmail.com
yes it is :-)
or you can email me at asifjuk@gmail.com
#24 Posted by slan on May 23, 2005 11:41:34 am
Naqshbandi Sahab I tried to email you.........
........is your account still operational....??
........is your account still operational....??
#23 Posted by echoboom on May 23, 2005 10:11:16 am
aquaris:22
These are two different personalities. Most likely the one who is reported in the 12the century was either a descendant or a saint-mujavir of the shrine.
This subject, although of just a fleeting interest, is very important because of the ``continuity`` of the tradition. Even if one is to establish the ``facts``, beyond any shadow
of a doubt, it would still be an interesting trivia to most of us. ( & should be)
The very interesting, and sometimes ironical and sad, part of all this is that we, humans, self-congratulate ourselves to be highly-educated but it is the trivia, gossip, and folk-lore
on which we end up constructing our pride & predjudice.
Calling it a Gurudwara Baba Haji Rattan, is very interesting & should be an eye-opener for those who try to create a rift between Hindu-Muslim-& Sikh populace of India.
Before the arrival of the British/Western Baboons there was never ever a single case of killing among the populace based on religion in India. As you can see in this Sheer-O-Shakar name , it is a proof of love bhai-charaa and of a superior civilisation as compared to that of the western baboon `civilisation` of even these `modern` times. the kind of ``civilisation`` for which our kanjaRR class, front & back, is vying to dilate their loop-holes.
As I suggested that little by little our muslim scholars, as opposed to ``Islamic`` scholars--goraa, kalaa, bhooraa alike-- are now German & French citizens in sizable numbers and are perusing the ``stolen`` manuscipts from their libraries for the benefit of muslims.
The first references to Haji Ratan in Islamic literature date back to twelfth century. Several Hadith collectors travelled from as far as Andalusia and Central Asia to collect the supposed traditions from him. Abu Marwan Andalusi, a Spanish Muslim chronicler, visited Haji Ratan and penned an interesting sketch of him. `When he arrived at the Baba`s monastery, he was taken aback to see an ancient, wrinkled man, his cheeks covered with hair `as white as cotton`. The Baba addressed him in a language he could not understand, claiming, as was later translated for him, that he was present in Medina during the famed Battle of the Trench. At that time, he said, he was just fourteen years old. When the Prophet saw him labouring at the trenches, he blessed him with a long life.`
--from Yoginder Sikind`s book on these lesser known Babas spread all over of India
These are two different personalities. Most likely the one who is reported in the 12the century was either a descendant or a saint-mujavir of the shrine.
This subject, although of just a fleeting interest, is very important because of the ``continuity`` of the tradition. Even if one is to establish the ``facts``, beyond any shadow
of a doubt, it would still be an interesting trivia to most of us. ( & should be)
The very interesting, and sometimes ironical and sad, part of all this is that we, humans, self-congratulate ourselves to be highly-educated but it is the trivia, gossip, and folk-lore
on which we end up constructing our pride & predjudice.
Calling it a Gurudwara Baba Haji Rattan, is very interesting & should be an eye-opener for those who try to create a rift between Hindu-Muslim-& Sikh populace of India.
Before the arrival of the British/Western Baboons there was never ever a single case of killing among the populace based on religion in India. As you can see in this Sheer-O-Shakar name , it is a proof of love bhai-charaa and of a superior civilisation as compared to that of the western baboon `civilisation` of even these `modern` times. the kind of ``civilisation`` for which our kanjaRR class, front & back, is vying to dilate their loop-holes.
As I suggested that little by little our muslim scholars, as opposed to ``Islamic`` scholars--goraa, kalaa, bhooraa alike-- are now German & French citizens in sizable numbers and are perusing the ``stolen`` manuscipts from their libraries for the benefit of muslims.
The first references to Haji Ratan in Islamic literature date back to twelfth century. Several Hadith collectors travelled from as far as Andalusia and Central Asia to collect the supposed traditions from him. Abu Marwan Andalusi, a Spanish Muslim chronicler, visited Haji Ratan and penned an interesting sketch of him. `When he arrived at the Baba`s monastery, he was taken aback to see an ancient, wrinkled man, his cheeks covered with hair `as white as cotton`. The Baba addressed him in a language he could not understand, claiming, as was later translated for him, that he was present in Medina during the famed Battle of the Trench. At that time, he said, he was just fourteen years old. When the Prophet saw him labouring at the trenches, he blessed him with a long life.`
--from Yoginder Sikind`s book on these lesser known Babas spread all over of India
#22 Posted by aquaris on May 23, 2005 6:57:34 am
Re: # 18
Just fo Information
About Bhatinda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathinda
It is believed that Rao Bhatti established the modern town of Bathinda in the Lakhi jungle area in the 3rd century, and it was captured from him by the Barars.
Bala Rao inhabited this city in 965 AD, naming it Bhatinda after his caste name. The city also remained the capital of Raja Jaipal.
In 1004 CE, Mahmud of Ghazni besieged the local fort, which was located on the route from the northwest into the rich Ganges valley. In 1189, Muhammad Ghori attacked and occupied the fort of Bathinda. Prithvi Raj Chauhan, the illustrious ruler of this region, managed to recover the posssesion of the fort 13 months later, in 1191, after a fierce battle.
Razia Sultan, the first female ruler of India, was imprisoned here in April, 1240. She was released in August of that year through the efforts of Altunia, the local governor. Both Altunia and Razia married but were killed by robbers near Kaithal on October 13.
About Haji or Hazzi Rattan
http://www.onlypunjab.com/ct/bathinda/
there are two such persons are mentioned....
`` Hazi Rattan : The great Hindu poet named Rattan Chand dared to go to Makka for Hazz and was disowned by the society who was blessed with Moksh by 1st Sikh Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. 10th Guru, Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji completes the words of 1st Guru. There is Mazzar near the Gurudwara Hazi Rattan.Famous Mela Baba Hazi Rattan Yadgari Sabhyacharak Mela is regular feature in the month of December. ``
and
`` Mazaar of Peer Haji Rattan : Situated between the Civil Hospital and Grain Market. Legend goes that as Ambassador of Raja Bhoj, Baba Haji Rattan visited Mecca and on return to India, he settled in meditation at Bhatinda. The place is hallowed by the visit of Guru nanak Dev and Guru Gobind Singh. ``
...... Please enlighten us.... One is a Poet ( Hazzi Rattan ) who went on his own...and the Other ( Peer Haji Rattan ) who is the ambassador of Raja Bhoj....
Are they two different personalities or the same.....??
Just fo Information
About Bhatinda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathinda
It is believed that Rao Bhatti established the modern town of Bathinda in the Lakhi jungle area in the 3rd century, and it was captured from him by the Barars.
Bala Rao inhabited this city in 965 AD, naming it Bhatinda after his caste name. The city also remained the capital of Raja Jaipal.
In 1004 CE, Mahmud of Ghazni besieged the local fort, which was located on the route from the northwest into the rich Ganges valley. In 1189, Muhammad Ghori attacked and occupied the fort of Bathinda. Prithvi Raj Chauhan, the illustrious ruler of this region, managed to recover the posssesion of the fort 13 months later, in 1191, after a fierce battle.
Razia Sultan, the first female ruler of India, was imprisoned here in April, 1240. She was released in August of that year through the efforts of Altunia, the local governor. Both Altunia and Razia married but were killed by robbers near Kaithal on October 13.
About Haji or Hazzi Rattan
http://www.onlypunjab.com/ct/bathinda/
there are two such persons are mentioned....
`` Hazi Rattan : The great Hindu poet named Rattan Chand dared to go to Makka for Hazz and was disowned by the society who was blessed with Moksh by 1st Sikh Shri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. 10th Guru, Shri Guru Gobind Singh Ji completes the words of 1st Guru. There is Mazzar near the Gurudwara Hazi Rattan.Famous Mela Baba Hazi Rattan Yadgari Sabhyacharak Mela is regular feature in the month of December. ``
and
`` Mazaar of Peer Haji Rattan : Situated between the Civil Hospital and Grain Market. Legend goes that as Ambassador of Raja Bhoj, Baba Haji Rattan visited Mecca and on return to India, he settled in meditation at Bhatinda. The place is hallowed by the visit of Guru nanak Dev and Guru Gobind Singh. ``
...... Please enlighten us.... One is a Poet ( Hazzi Rattan ) who went on his own...and the Other ( Peer Haji Rattan ) who is the ambassador of Raja Bhoj....
Are they two different personalities or the same.....??
#21 Posted by TheoVanGogh on May 23, 2005 6:46:50 am
A brave female warrior who makes Islamists pi55 in their pants:
++++
Hirsi Ali
SPIEGEL: Aren`t you concerned that tensions would arise in these forced communities?
Hirsi Ali: The other alternative creates even greater tensions. If you allow the ghettos to grow, you`ll have clashes between skinheads and Muslim extremists, for example. The second means of access should also be controlled by political means: A prohibition on all faith-based schools. Schools must be places of civilization, places that impart Western values, the purposes of democracy. We must treat the children as our children and not turn their education over to defenders of foreign dogma who indoctrinate them with anti-liberal doctrines.
SPIEGEL: Ignore the cultures of the immigrants?
Hirsi Ali: Blindly respecting their cultures is the wrong approach. Here`s an example: Many children in Holland`s Arab ghettos are taught the teachings of Ibn Abu-Taymiya, one of the founders of pure Islam who preaches the holy war as a way of life. Instead of studying European philosophers, the children are taught to abide by 11th century teachings!
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,356485-2,00.html
Full interview in my diary.
++++
Hirsi Ali
SPIEGEL: Aren`t you concerned that tensions would arise in these forced communities?
Hirsi Ali: The other alternative creates even greater tensions. If you allow the ghettos to grow, you`ll have clashes between skinheads and Muslim extremists, for example. The second means of access should also be controlled by political means: A prohibition on all faith-based schools. Schools must be places of civilization, places that impart Western values, the purposes of democracy. We must treat the children as our children and not turn their education over to defenders of foreign dogma who indoctrinate them with anti-liberal doctrines.
SPIEGEL: Ignore the cultures of the immigrants?
Hirsi Ali: Blindly respecting their cultures is the wrong approach. Here`s an example: Many children in Holland`s Arab ghettos are taught the teachings of Ibn Abu-Taymiya, one of the founders of pure Islam who preaches the holy war as a way of life. Instead of studying European philosophers, the children are taught to abide by 11th century teachings!
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,356485-2,00.html
Full interview in my diary.
#20 Posted by Naqshbandi on May 23, 2005 2:04:29 am
ZahraJ,
This is just a pathetic attempt by some people of shaytaanii lifestyles to project their own sicknesses to a group of people whom would not even have imagined it; yes i have come across this backward-projection before: all it shows is that some people are so ill, they cannot imagine a spiritual bond of love between 2 males without thinking somehow that they must have been gay (nauzubillah). [nb: i am not saying that gays did not exist in islamic history; i am just saying that it is impossible for a Muslim saint to be gay because these are people at the highest spiritual levels and obedience to shar`iah who even do the smallest superagatory acts and avoid things which are doubtful let alone haram out of their scrupulousness; in shariah homosexuality is an enormity [kabira gunaah]. hence it is inconceivable. a sinner cannot become a wali. then how can someone who is engaged in such acts be a wali?!]
to give an example which`ll make it clear insha Allah: one day Hazrat Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi -may his secret be sanctified [qadas Allahu sirruhu] - who was the Mujaddid of the Second Islamic Millenium [Mujaddid Alf al Thani; in Urdu, Mujaddid e Alf e Saani]--was coming out of the mosque and he stepped out with his right foot first; now the Sunnah is to step out of a mosque with one`s left foot first [and enter with one`s right foot first] ; his foot was only half way out when he froze in that position and began to weep. He wept so much that he became unconsciouss. His disciples asked, Hazrat what is the matter? He explained that I have broken a sunnat of the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam) which is why I am weeping. Someone said, Huzoor you can just go back in and come out with the correct foot first. He replied, ``The point is that people look up to me as a spiritual guide- a pir! If I am breaking sunnats what will my mureeds do?!``
Such is the level of conformity which the Saints have to the Sunnah; they follow it without even thinking--it becomes second nature to them. Then how can they do somethnig which Allah and His Habib have condemned in the strongest language?!
La hawla wa la quwwata...that is why one should read orientalist writers on sufism with a large pinch of salt if at all...
Raw Dust: it is qadas Allahu sirruhu...
echoboom: that was interesting..more please...:-)
This is just a pathetic attempt by some people of shaytaanii lifestyles to project their own sicknesses to a group of people whom would not even have imagined it; yes i have come across this backward-projection before: all it shows is that some people are so ill, they cannot imagine a spiritual bond of love between 2 males without thinking somehow that they must have been gay (nauzubillah). [nb: i am not saying that gays did not exist in islamic history; i am just saying that it is impossible for a Muslim saint to be gay because these are people at the highest spiritual levels and obedience to shar`iah who even do the smallest superagatory acts and avoid things which are doubtful let alone haram out of their scrupulousness; in shariah homosexuality is an enormity [kabira gunaah]. hence it is inconceivable. a sinner cannot become a wali. then how can someone who is engaged in such acts be a wali?!]
to give an example which`ll make it clear insha Allah: one day Hazrat Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi -may his secret be sanctified [qadas Allahu sirruhu] - who was the Mujaddid of the Second Islamic Millenium [Mujaddid Alf al Thani; in Urdu, Mujaddid e Alf e Saani]--was coming out of the mosque and he stepped out with his right foot first; now the Sunnah is to step out of a mosque with one`s left foot first [and enter with one`s right foot first] ; his foot was only half way out when he froze in that position and began to weep. He wept so much that he became unconsciouss. His disciples asked, Hazrat what is the matter? He explained that I have broken a sunnat of the Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam) which is why I am weeping. Someone said, Huzoor you can just go back in and come out with the correct foot first. He replied, ``The point is that people look up to me as a spiritual guide- a pir! If I am breaking sunnats what will my mureeds do?!``
Such is the level of conformity which the Saints have to the Sunnah; they follow it without even thinking--it becomes second nature to them. Then how can they do somethnig which Allah and His Habib have condemned in the strongest language?!
La hawla wa la quwwata...that is why one should read orientalist writers on sufism with a large pinch of salt if at all...
Raw Dust: it is qadas Allahu sirruhu...
echoboom: that was interesting..more please...:-)
#19 Posted by hindvi on May 22, 2005 9:32:44 pm
hamidm
let it out, there is so much raw material in this article. by the way u let Ozer get away.
let it out, there is so much raw material in this article. by the way u let Ozer get away.
#18 Posted by echoboom on May 22, 2005 8:51:14 pm
For the love of the Nabi,
sarkaare-doa-Alam,
salal-lahO-v`aalehi-vassallam
Gurudwara Haji Rattan, Dist. Bhatinda
While on his way to Talwandi Sabo Guru Gobind Singh camped here for the night
outside the mausoleum of the Muslim saint Haji Rattan.The tomb keepers tried to dissuade the Guru from sleeping herewith the excuse that the place was haunted. Since the Guru neither believed in tombs or ghosts he spent the night here to show the people that such superstitions were not followed by Sikhs.
(from: allaboutsikhs.com/ gurudwaras/gd-hajirattan.htm)
Baba Rattan of Bhatinda
As as young lad he heard from his friends that there is talk of an autar (a manifestation of God in human from--as per hindu belief)) who has `descended` in Arabia.
He, becauae of his disposition towards such matters, one day set out on a journey to meet this new autar. After a long long journey via Iran, he finally managed to not only meet the prophet (pbuh) but was also was his companion in his jihad against jahilyaa.
Since a lot of manuscripts literature in arabic is still in Germany and France and is being brought out in trickles, more & more details of this are surfacing.
Ratan-Naath eventually returned ( after 10 years, if I recollect) to India. His mazaar is in Bhatinda and is called Baba Ratan Naath`s mazaar. An annual Urs/mela is still held in December and devotees of all religions pay their respects to him.
He & Raja Cherumal of Kerala, in this respect, and thus far what are the generally known ones, are perhaps the first indigineous Muslims in India. They sought the route to Islam themselves.
P.S:I`ve written just enough to arouse some interest. I hope for some it would be a new subject. ( if so, please let me know to encourage me to bring more of such info here )
sarkaare-doa-Alam,
salal-lahO-v`aalehi-vassallam
Gurudwara Haji Rattan, Dist. Bhatinda
While on his way to Talwandi Sabo Guru Gobind Singh camped here for the night
outside the mausoleum of the Muslim saint Haji Rattan.The tomb keepers tried to dissuade the Guru from sleeping herewith the excuse that the place was haunted. Since the Guru neither believed in tombs or ghosts he spent the night here to show the people that such superstitions were not followed by Sikhs.
(from: allaboutsikhs.com/ gurudwaras/gd-hajirattan.htm)
Baba Rattan of Bhatinda
As as young lad he heard from his friends that there is talk of an autar (a manifestation of God in human from--as per hindu belief)) who has `descended` in Arabia.
He, becauae of his disposition towards such matters, one day set out on a journey to meet this new autar. After a long long journey via Iran, he finally managed to not only meet the prophet (pbuh) but was also was his companion in his jihad against jahilyaa.
Since a lot of manuscripts literature in arabic is still in Germany and France and is being brought out in trickles, more & more details of this are surfacing.
Ratan-Naath eventually returned ( after 10 years, if I recollect) to India. His mazaar is in Bhatinda and is called Baba Ratan Naath`s mazaar. An annual Urs/mela is still held in December and devotees of all religions pay their respects to him.
He & Raja Cherumal of Kerala, in this respect, and thus far what are the generally known ones, are perhaps the first indigineous Muslims in India. They sought the route to Islam themselves.
P.S:I`ve written just enough to arouse some interest. I hope for some it would be a new subject. ( if so, please let me know to encourage me to bring more of such info here )
#17 Posted by ZahraJ on May 22, 2005 7:04:19 pm
Naqshabndi:
It`s my understanding that amongst the male Sufis and their male disciples, there was a strong bonding of respect and affection and love. I was surprised to come across a book on Gay Sufis at Barnes and Noble. In that book, the writers had given examples of men falling for each other out of respect and love. One of the examples dealt with Mevlana Rumi and Hazat Shams Tabraiz.
I have read about M.R. and H.S.T from my early childhood, but the version I read never ever gave any inkling on any ``gayish`` stuff. Nothing against the gays, but I think they twisted the story to add to their version of spirituality.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Also, let me know if you have some details on that.
Zahra
It`s my understanding that amongst the male Sufis and their male disciples, there was a strong bonding of respect and affection and love. I was surprised to come across a book on Gay Sufis at Barnes and Noble. In that book, the writers had given examples of men falling for each other out of respect and love. One of the examples dealt with Mevlana Rumi and Hazat Shams Tabraiz.
I have read about M.R. and H.S.T from my early childhood, but the version I read never ever gave any inkling on any ``gayish`` stuff. Nothing against the gays, but I think they twisted the story to add to their version of spirituality.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Also, let me know if you have some details on that.
Zahra
#16 Posted by dost_mittar on May 22, 2005 6:25:24 pm
Naqsh:
These are beautiful tales of love and devotion. Truly, faith is ishq!
These are beautiful tales of love and devotion. Truly, faith is ishq!
#15 Posted by hamidm2 on May 22, 2005 3:15:58 pm
........... i think i saw a soofi today - he was wearing three layers of winter clothing and pushing a shopping cart piled high with all his worldly belongings........
#14 Posted by Raw_Dust on May 22, 2005 2:17:15 pm
got a question for you:
what is the operative phrase for ``may his secret be sanctified`` in arabic?
thanks.
what is the operative phrase for ``may his secret be sanctified`` in arabic?
thanks.
#13 Posted by Raw_Dust on May 22, 2005 1:55:21 pm
Naqshbandi:
i always found the Tareeqat fascinating. Time and choices took me in the direction 180 degree off. guess too far off. But thats besides the point.
There is something intriguing the way whole learning process is rooted/routed through what you guys i think call `Qulb`, Heart instead of you know.. The madness and zeal of a mureed, the focus and commitment to his Purpose or Murshid (??) amaze the heck out of an outsider like me.
hope you are doing well. read any mulhid literary writers, lately? :-)
i always found the Tareeqat fascinating. Time and choices took me in the direction 180 degree off. guess too far off. But thats besides the point.
There is something intriguing the way whole learning process is rooted/routed through what you guys i think call `Qulb`, Heart instead of you know.. The madness and zeal of a mureed, the focus and commitment to his Purpose or Murshid (??) amaze the heck out of an outsider like me.
hope you are doing well. read any mulhid literary writers, lately? :-)
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