More Tales of Sufi Wisdom

wonderfull:)

what is the above silly prattling all about? sorry writer, but it seems like fables to me, and that too not very coherent or moralistic ones.

5. why help a dog just in Medina? If a person really likes his beliefs, eg. the sufi liking the prophet Muhammed`s doings so much, isn`t it incumbent upon him/her to follow it to the letter. I`m sure the prophet wouldn`t have helped out a dog JUST in Medina. Oh, you`re an Austrian? Sorry, can`t help you.

That`s just silly.

4. what was the point to that? that the man could read minds? Lightning happens you know, you forgot to mention that it just might have been a stormy day..

3. That one is good. We ought to be thankful for everything, however small. I`ll bookmark that one for my grandkids.

2. Osteoporosis?

1. OK, so the prophet says HE will visit Jami, not the other way around. So that means he`ll still need to get out of his grave won`t it?

What I want to know is WHO makes up these things?

A lesson in communal harmony
Deepkamal Kaur
Tribune News Service

While communal differences sometimes trigger clashes, a 90-year-old Sikh baba who has been managing a dargah on the banks of Sutlej River at Gagar Dhagara village of Noormahal sub-division for the last more than 57 years, stands as a role model of communal harmony.

Not just the baba, even his great-grandchildren have been looking after the dargah of Pir Shah Ali Fatma whom they call ``Khuda ka Sher``. The baba not only makes daily prashad and organises its distribution, but also lights up the jot every evening. He even holds prayers for daily visitors and addresses large congregations every Thursday.

An incident that took place during the time of Partition made Mr Bachan Singh, now popularly known as ``babaji``, develop deep faith in the holy shrine. His wife had developed some nervous problem and her limbs had almost stopped functioning while they had just come to India after Partition. She even complained of losing sensation in her arms and legs. Baba took her to a few doctors but it proved futile.

On the advice of some relatives, the distraught couple visited the dargah. Both prayed there and took shelter in the then-desolate shrine. The dargah, which was looked after by some followers of the pir in the then Muslim-dominated village, had become deserted after Partition.

The couple started serving there when a miracle took place. Baba`s wife got rid of the illness and she became healthy. Since the baba had pledged that he would keep serving the place for life if his wife got cured, he kept his word and decided to live there forever. The couple started cultivating a piece of land acquired by them in the village to earn their living.

The baba claims that his is not a lone case, as hundreds of people from all parts of the country visit the dargah to get their wishes fulfilled. The majority of them include issueless couples, who come to pray for a child. The baba said that people from far off lands, including those now settled in the US or Canada, also came to pay obeisance at the dargah.

He said that people gathered in the hall every Thursday and offered whatever little they wished for the preparation of prashad, langar and maintenance of the shrine.

Thanks, Aquaris.

re: Aquaris # 36

Please do post if you are able to verify the reference. I will very much appreciate that. Thanks.

Re: # 37

I have finnaly got a response....

From Dr Colin Baker and here it is....


Sorry for the delay in answering your enquiry, but it is partly due to
the fact that your source ``Muhammad Rasulullah,`` by M. Hamidullah`` gave
only a partially correct reference.

I have located the manuscript you are interested in. The shelf mark is
IO ISLAMIC 2807 and the section you want is on pages 81 verso - 104
verso (inclusive). It is entitled ``Qissat Shakruti Firmad`` which,
according to the catalogue (Loth 1044), is ``A fabulous account of the
first settlement of the Muhammadans in Malabar, under King Shakruti
(Cranganore), a contemporary of Muhammad, who was converted to Islam by
the miracle of the division of the the moon.``

Should you wish to order a microfilm or paper copy see
http://www.bl.uk/services/copy/reproduction.html for prices and method
of ordering and payment.

For further enquiries on photography you should contact
reproductions-customer-service@bl.uk, quoting in all correspondence the
shelfmark IO ISLAMIC 2807, pages 81 verso- 104 verso and your full
postal address.

Sincerely

Colin Baker


Dr Colin F Baker
Head of Near and Middle Eastern Collections
The British Library
Asia, Pacific and Africa Collections
96 Euston Road
London NW1 2DB

T +44 (0)20 7412 7645
F +44 (0)20 7412 7858
colin.baker@bl.uk
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Re: # 37

So far no one from
www.bl.uk

and

http://www.bl.uk/collections/arabic.html



has answered my query regarding the Authenicity of the article...


I would request , that some one other then me , also put up a request for its authentiation with them. As it mght be that they have ignored my email



But it has been reported on so many sites with such consistency....which is overwhelming....
I am sure ... at least One site would have it validated before posting....
anyway.... regarding Cheraman Perumal

Yes there is overwhelming evidence that such a King did exist. and He did went to Mecca to meet the prophet...and then converted to Islam.



some of the sources are

http://www.indiatraveltimes.com/travelogue/mosque.html

http://www.tripunithura.com/history/crf.aspx

http://www.lakshadweeptourism.com/html/l0201pg1.htm

http://www.kerala.com/religious.htm


..... and many many more... I have deliberately choosen NON-Muslim sources.


I have the picture of that mosque... But I don`t know how to post it in this forum..

Re: # 37

I sure will ..I have email some one mentioned on their sites about it......and as soon as I get a response I will post the link....

#34 by Naqshbandi on May 24, 2005 7:14am PT
All that is irrelevant when understood in the context of Mohammad (Sal-Allaho-Alay-hay-Wasal-lam) (May Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him) as the original initiator of the sufi tariqa...............

The problem with those who claim to possess and follow the correct tariqah is that they all take great pains to show others that their interpretation of the Quran and Sunnah is the `right` one. I think all this is irrelevant in today`s world where the followers of sufism of different orders need not bend backwards to show them to be more pious than the others. All this may have been politically relevant when the sufis had to resist the political Islam for their very survival, but no more in today`s world. So unlike Naqshabandi who would immediately get into a theological debate with others there is no need to even respond to those who attack and misinterpret sufism as a defiance of Sunnah and Quran!!

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/sufism/in_defiance_of_qur`an_and_sunnah.htm
IN DEFIANCE OF THE QUR`AN AND SUNNAH

The following are excerpts and quotations from well-known Sufi works presented along with corresponding beliefs from outside the fold of Islam. Relevant texts from the Qur`ân and the Sunnah are also quoted for the sake of comparison, so that Muslims may judge for themselves whether Sufi beliefs are Islamic or not. Each quotation is footnoted with the reference from which it is taken.

The Sufis claim: ``The ways unto God are as numerous as the number of creatures in the world``. Ibn Mas`ood, may Allah be pleased with him, said: ``The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s) made a straight line on the ground with his hand, then he said, `This is the straight way of Allah.` Then he made (short) line on each side of the straight line; then he said, `These (short) lines, each one has a Shaytaan inviting people to it.` Then he recited the verse: meaning, `And this is My path straight. So follow it, and do not follow (other) ways, lest they lead you away from My path.`

Allah the Exalted says: ``His footstool encompasses the heavens and the earth. ``The Prophet (s.a.w.s) said: ``The seven heavens by the side of the kursi (footstool) are naught but as a ring thrown down in a desert land, and such is the Kursi with respect to the Arsh (the Divine Throne).

The sufis say: ``When you unite with the Beloved (God), then there is neither command nor prohibition in matters of religion. Sufis habitually reject the doctrine of ``the fear of God, the wrath of the Day of Judgment, the fury of the Hell-Fire and the promise of Jannah.`` Faith based on coercion, they say, is slavery, and God has created man with mind, free will and love. Therefore, the mainspring of Sufism is love not fear and obedience to the religious laws.

Allah the Supreme describes His Prophets, saying: meaning, ``They used to vie with one another in good deeds, and they called on Us in hope (for rewards) and in fear (of punishment).`` Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet (s.a.w.s) said: ``When one of you finishes reciting the last tashah-hud (in prayer, and just before making tasleem), let him seek Allah`s protection from four things: from the torment of Hell-Fire, from the torture of the grave, from the afflictions of life and death, and from the affliction of the pseudo-Christ (ad-Dajjal).``

Abu Hurairah also said: ``The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s) said to a man, `What do you say, (ask Allah for) in your prayer?` The man said, `I recite tashah-hud, then I ask Allah for Jannah and seek protection of Him from the Fire; by Allah, I do not know you dendeneh (making du`a in a low and faint voice) nor the dendaneh of Mu`aadth.` The Prophet (s.a.w.s) replied, `We make dendeneh about these two things.```

Allah the Exalted describes His believers thus: meaning, ``Verily those who fear their Lord with reverence, and those who believe in the signs of the Lord, and those who ascribe no partners to their Lord, and those who give what they give while their hearts are full of fear, because to their Lord they will return.``

Aa`ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, inquired about the verse, ``Those who give what they give...`` saying, ``O Messenger of Allah! Is it those who steal and commit fornication are fearful?`` He said, ``Nay, daughter of (Abu Bakr) As-Siddiq, rather, those who fast and pray who are afraid (that their acts of worship may not be accepted by Allah).

Allah the Exalted says: meaning, ``Say (to men, O Muhammad!), `If you love Allah, then follow me; Allah will love you and forgive your sins.`` Thus the love of Allah necessitates following the commands of the Messenger of Allah with hope for reward and fear of punishment in the Hereafter.

Jalal-uddin al-Rumi (d. 1273), an infamous Sufi philosopher, in his book Masnawi, confirms his belief in the theory of evolution. The following lines are recognized as the central theme of Rumi`s work:
``I died as mineral and became a plant,
I died as a plant and rose to an animal,
I died as an animal and I was a man.

What became the darwinian theory states that the origin of species is derived by descent, with variation from parent forms. In other words, man, according to the theory of Darwin and contrary to what Allah confirms in the Qur`an, was not created as a separate species.

Allah the Exalted says: meaning, ``Verily, We created man from an extract of clay. Then We placed him as a drop of sperm in a safe depository.``

Re: # 33
That is a well-known Wahabi site which takes famous sufi works by Rumi etc., selects a quote totally out of context, interprets it literally -since Wahabis don`t know about spirituality they think it doesn`t exist!--and then go to `refute` this by quoting (usually) a Qur`anic ayat or hadith sharif again out of context since usually what they claim sufis believe is nothing to do with what the hadith is saying anyway.

A simpler argument is this: name a well known Muslim classical scholar who has NOT been a Sufi as well. Even Ibn Taymiyyah, the `Imam` of the rejecters and the patron saint of Wahabis-whose works they always quote--was in fact initiated into the Qadiri Sufi Tariqa of Shaykh Abdal Qadir al Jilani radhi Allahu anhu!!

Absoulotly stunning!you enlightend some of great incident happened ever...........

and aquaris ......... you are right that HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW splited the moon into 2 parts and then changed it like it was.
and this is also true that was seen in india aswell........and that is the sign of doom day.........

and some more mu`jizats of the Beloved of the Universe sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam!

http://www.geocities.com/islamicmiracles/mujizas_of_muhammad_pbuh.htm

Re: # 31

About the miracle of `` Shaq-ul-Qamar ``

Here is what I got from a website...

with reference to a readers article...
http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?type=rarticle&raid=170

WITNESS OF MOON SPLITTING (A MIRACLE OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PBUH ))

CHAKRAWATI FARMAS KING OF MALABAR, INDIA

The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It was quoted in the book ``Muhammad Rasulullah,`` by M. Hamidullah:



....Now I have a serious problem.... the reference .....this one has is to a document/article in the India Office Library with even the article and page Numbers....
sound authentic enough.......

But I could not find any such reference at the India Office Libraries web site....
http://www.bl.uk/collections/arabic.html

....... This has left me perplexed.....Why did the author gave a wrong reference....or am I doing something not right to find it.....!!

.... I just wanted to validate the source.... can anyone give me a direct link to this...article...... `` Arabic, 2807, 152-173 `` of the India Office Library so that I can verify it....

well Mr.Naqshbandi its good .I had heard names of different SUFIs and QALNADARS but never study such amazing miracles

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amazing really amazing khuda jisay chahay apnay karishmay ata karay

Salaam Asif,

I am a big time confused with the concepts of Sufiism and the miracles shown by the pious men and women, call them sufi or saints.

When one reads Seerat -e- Rasul Hazrat Muhammad (SAW), one can see the epic of human struggle. Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) preached Islam, fought wars, migrated from Makkah, and eventually established Islam without any miracles. There is never a miracle happened that saved Him from problems. Just read any book on Seerat-un-Nabi and you will see how much problems He had to go through to establish the deen. He dealt with all the problems at human level. This is truly a miracle.

The question that comes to my mind is that if Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) did not show any miracles (even when asked by the kafirs) how come Sufis start to show miracles that would make Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) look like a kid (nauz billah)?

For a commoner like me the impression I gets that these Sufis were some how greater then Hazrat Muhammad (SAW) nauz billah?

Do you mind clearing this for me and other like me?

Asfand Siddiqui
Sacramento California