The Alternative Muslim Identity

Re: # 98
I am confused. What do u mean by Islam 1 and Islam 2. Describe them please. I have an idea about what you mean, and I am confused. Please clarify.
:)

re: ShoreSahib # 95

I have been saying the same thing. All these gentlemen, that Hindus mistakenly respect, spread Islam-1 in India by talking of Islam-2.

What we are waiting to learn what Islam-2 has to do with Islam-1 :)

By the way, I used to provoke brother temporal by calling him a Hindu, which upset him greatly. Islam-2 very soon degenerates into Islam-1 sensibility.

Re: # 90
Dear Sir,
I would refer you to Ayah Al Kursi.

You calling me a pervert, does not make me one. You can say whatever you wish, you have the right. I shall not be the fullfilment of your ideas of me. Never.
You may condemn me to Hell you want, so be it.
But you will taste death just like I would. Let our God be our judge.
It is the hell of your creation, and May you never experience it.

Peace upon you.

God is Truth.
God is Love.
God is Peace.


Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti hi.

Re: # 86
Thou shalt not cast your pearls before Swine.

The Holy Bible

Re: # 93
I am not the first one to do it.
Baba Farid did it. Baba Bulhey Shah as well. Nizam Ud din awliya, yes I think so. Salim ud din Chishti ofcourse. Baba Bhit Shah, yes indeed.

Guru Nanak as well.
It has been done before. I am simply the parrot reciting philosophy. Not my original thoughts about combining Vedanta with Islam.

It can be done. It has be done.

Seek Knowledge even if you have to go to China. Well, India is in the way.

:))

zeh`r with apologies for this intrusion:

Please circulate widely.

PRESS CONFERENCE
June 22, 2003

10:30 a.m – 12:30 p.m.

65th Street, Fifth Ave., New York



A press conference will be held on Wednesday June 22, 2005 at 10:30 a.m at 65th Street and Fifth Ave. in Manhattan. The press conference is being sponsored by ANAA (Asian American Network Against Abuse of Women), Turning Point for Women and Families NY and Amnesty International, USA.

The press conference is being held to urge the Pakistani government to allow Mukhtaran Bibi to travel and speak freely within and outside Pakistan. Representatives of ANAA, Turning Point, Amnesty International, Human Rights First will address the conference along with other well known rights advocates.

As has been widely reported in the international media, Mukhtaran Bibi endured the harrowing tragedy of being sentenced to rape by a tribal jirga, maligned by her community and yet emerged courageous and committed to improving the society around her. Tragically, she is now refused the right to speak the truth about her ordeal while all the men who raped Mukhtaran Bibi are now free.

Mukhtaran Bibi was put under house arrest on June 9 only to be spirited away for a day and reproduced at a Press Conference organized by government officials. In the Press Conference she stated that she was foregoing her invitation to the United States to attend the ANAA Symposium on Violence against Women in South Asia. In the mean time, while Pakistani government officials maintain she is ``free to leave``, police continue to surround her house and monitor all telephone conversations. In addition, Mukhtaran Bibi`s passport has been taken and is no longer in her possession. Victimized first at the hands of a tribal jirga and gang raped by twelve men, Mukhtaran Bibi has now been made to believe that telling her story and bringing attention to the plight of women like herself would make her ``an enemy of Pakistan.``

ANAA is deeply disappointed at the Pakistan Government`s efforts to thwart a public advocacy campaign that aims to draw attention to thousands of women in Pakistan who are regularly brutalized that result from a collusion between discriminatory laws, a patriarchal society and an establishment that fails to implement legislative and social reforms that would end the brutalization of women. We call on the Government of Pakistan to immediately ensure that those charged with the brutal crime will not endanger Mukhtaran Bibi or her family and will be brought to justice.

The legal, physical and psychological intimidation Mukhtaran Bibi has faced in recent days as a result of her desire to come to the United States is an example of the extreme lack of value placed on women lives and well being in Pakistan. It also illustrates the repressive silence imposed on all victims of sexual violence

Together with Amnesty International, Turning Point, community and religious leaders and a range of women`s advocacy and human rights organizations, we urge every one to join us in our efforts to ensure the safety of Mukhtaran Bibi and exert pressure on the Government of Pakistan to desist from their pressure tactics on her and her family, including granting Mukhtaran Bibi the freedom to speak and travel.

Contacts:
Amna Buttar
ANAA
Tel: 608-658-7866
abbuttar@aol.com

Robina Niaz,
Turning Point
Tel: 917-575-8069
Email: gardenia02@earthlink.net

Sheila Dauer,
Amnesty International
Tel: 212/807-8400
Email: sdauer@aiusa.org

re: ShoreSahib # 82

One doesn`t know what to say when one sees Vedanta being combined with Islam-1 to create Islam-2.

Hopefully, one day someone will explain what Islam-2 has to do with Islam-1.

HP:

arre, i had no intentions of ``hijacking`` the board but i very well couldn`t ignore the question now could i? and plus talking about the content of some of these movies isn`t completely divorced from the issues zehra`s footnoted.

vaisay, not to ``hijack`` any further, but do you read, write and speak sindhi? if so, i`ve come across some sindhi poems and i have just a few questions. okay, maybe one.

arjuna:

naah. greek orthodox. and not much of a truly practicing one these days.
and superman ii is good! chillax!

#85 by ana on June 20, 2005 2:19pm PT



saving private ryan, i hear, was a good movie. would you believe, i haven`t seen it yet?


Try Mr and Mrs Smith....it`s True lies with two pairs of balls....


okay, for a moment i thought you were going to give me a golan-globus movie,


Hey...what`s wrong with Superman II?



that you truly are a lost soul.


heck, my nani thinks i`m a lost soul, destined for that barbecue in hell....are you a practicing catholic?

Re: # 76
perverted comprehensions

LoL, Shore, you seriously are screwed in the head... Refering to the #70 post you made... you said:

I am a Muslim. I am gay. I am not going to Hell and I will not let anyone tell me that I am. Last time I checked they werent sitting on the Throne of Allah.

Damn, whos the pervert now... :S For one, Allah needs no throne, theek... if you cry democracy and freespeech all the time, be ready to listen to some shit like going to hell. Lets not be hypocritical at the same time, ok?

I, myself am all cool with who you vote for, thats your right, coz you must have made a wise decision doing so. Or not doing the otherway round. But please refrain from accusing others of hijacking Islam, when you yourself dont have a good grasp of it. And in the same ignorance attempt hijacking it for your own good.

The stuff about ONE ISLAM, in your post, really doesnt stick out, what is it about ?!

The most admirable of all this could be the activism amongst minorities, like Muslim in the US, all working to get their rights.

Goodnight.

I read this piece as a desperate--often cheeky--attempt at an explanation of a dithering individual; and I take the term ``identity`` (thanks Alephnull) to be the crux of the cake, so to speak. In the end what is gained? Nothing. Beyond that nugatory meandering of an “identity-less” Muslim, then what? I`m lost; and by implication, so is Zehra. And cheap shots against America don’t highlight the ‘progressiveness’ of this new Muslim intelligentsia.

--Ibn

I read this piece as a desperate--often cheeky--attempt at an explanation of a dithering individual; and I take the term ``identity`` (thanks Alephnull) to be the crux of the cake, so to speak. In the end what is gained? Nothing. Beyond that nugatory meandering of an “identity-less” Muslim, then what? I`m lost; and by implication, so is Zehra. And cheap shots against America don’t highlight the ‘progressiveness’ of this new Muslim intelligentsia.

--Ibn

HP:
i saw the list and couldnot resist commenting. apologies to the peeps - if that amounted to hijacking.
for the question of movies and entertainment - start a thread on UP if you really wanna, ill stop by sometime.

I congratulate Ana, Raw_dust and ShoreSahib for hijacking this thread for a conversation that is best suited for UP.
I respect your taste in movies but none of them had any entertainment value. Why waste hours and money on movies that make you run out of theatres!
I cannot bear to watch them on DVD either.

shoresahib:

i have seen four of the movies you`ve mentioned. like water for chocolate, fire, raise the red lantern, and bhaji on the beach. fire was now when i think about it, much better than earth, all of these were good movies, although i know that gurinder chadha has been criticized for the dimensionality of her characters. but still, i think ``bhaji`` is a good movie in terms of the generational relationships, and the varying aspirations, conflicts of the women, and if memory serves me correctly, wasn`t one of the women characters actually from the mothership i. e. india herself and was seen as more ``outrageous`` by both the older and the younger women? that, if i`m not mistaken, was interesting. and if there are those who feel that the desi man was being stereotyped yet again. . . there are plenty of jerks around like the husband who beat his wife.

hopefully this will all flow and connect back to zehra in some way. . :)

arjun:

saving private ryan, i hear, was a good movie. would you believe, i haven`t seen it yet? okay, for a moment i thought you were going to give me a golan-globus movie, and if you had i would have freaked and concluded that you truly are a lost soul. (i guess unlike some others, i haven`t reached that conclusion yet. foolish me.)

Re: # 81
I am not taking offense at SS.

I grant thee permission to call me that. :))

I loved Amorres Perros. Great movie.

Have you seen, ``Requiem for a Dream``.

I would also urge you to see, `` Babette`s Feast``. Cest Magnifique, Monsieur.