The Alternative Muslim Identity

hamidm: Pay heed to the wise words of godot ``the more you open your mouth the more insecure and less intelligent you appear.``

Why is being classified as ``white`` so important to you. Jesus Christ!! Are you a man or an echoboom!!

hamidm2, # 199

Hamid - the more you open your mouth the more insecure and less intelligent you appear. Now, thanks to your “proud” post, we know that you are suffering from a deep inferiority complex. This is quite sad for someone as intelligent as you have convinced yourself to be.

PS: I’ve also gotten a traffic ticket (actually, multiple times) identifying me as “white.” Instead of proudly framing it and hanging it in the foyer as you’d have done it, I laughed at it and threw it away (after paying it, of course.) A Pakistani friend put that in perspective for me when I told him that. “That cop must be blind,” he said.

Re: # 208

``The word `habshi` is now used as a general term for the African of the dark complexion in the Arabic, Persian and Urdu``

.......... i don`t think so !......... i think people who are pigment challenged are referred to as bengali or madrasi - haven`t you heard people say, ``sala, bilkul madrasi ki tara kala hai `` or ``larki waisey tau dekhaney mein theek hai, per rang bengalion ki tarah hai`` ? .......... sometimes people who have not been blessed by god with a fair skin are also compared to biharis and, if they have rather homely features in addition to being on the dark side, they are called degarians - as in, from dg khan .............

................ it is sad, but true, that god was not at his aesthetic best when he made the people from the subcontinent and must have been in a real foul mood when he turned his attention to africa ...... of course, hazrat bilal is an exception ..........

Re: # 203
The word `habshi` is now used as a general term for the African of the dark complexion in the Arabic, Persian and Urdu.

Yes, the Arabic 1400 years ago does use this word for the people specificly from and around Abbyssina. Coz the Eyptians to the north and Merakash (Morocco) to the west, differed in the skin colour back then, too.

And no, `habashi halwa` does mean the `dark brown sweet.` Named after the colour of the people from Africa, some 500 - 600 years ago. It does not mean the `halwa of the Africans.` This dish is nowhere known in Africa.

#206 change of nic worked you gave the game away lol

Re: # 201
LOL, xD xD xD ...

Well, identifying with a particular race has some benefits and loses too. So feel free to call yourself what ever u feel comfortable with. I have seen people who are fairly wheatish, and they are very much into the African-American community, even having origins somewhere else. Coz its the colour of you skin that one sees before looking at your biodata. So being fair does pay off, and being dark complexioned does too.

Then if u considering it broken down into parts, the second part might be the way you talk. Your accent says alot about ur background.

Its basically what we want to achieve that moulds out overall outlook. I have seen Pakistani girls, scorched black by the Karachi sun, sandblasted by Multani mitti, and daily walks to the university or college, site entire 2 to 5 months in their homes, applying fair and lovely, just to look more beautiful and pretty. Other words might be indecent. But the point being what they wanted to achieve was a good, wealthy spouse of a well-off and affluent family. With similar or better attributes.

Taboos will remain taboos. More later...

``A couple of years ago, late 2000, I decided that I was no longer Muslim.``

........... are you sure ?....... the other day my daughter, who was being pushed into helping with some fund-raising thing at the local masjid by her mother, declared, ``i don`t have the time and, besides, i am an atheist``.......... mrs hamidm, who is used to hearing this kind of stuff, didn`t miss a beat and told her to go get ready (and she did) ..........but i was a little perplexed ....... ``when and how did this happen?....... i thought, ``is she really serious, or is she just using it as an excuse to go and hang out with her friends instead of hanging out with those horrible red-haired aunties who make fun of her indie hair style`` ..............so, when she came downstairs i asked her, `` are you serious about being an atheist - you know it is hard work and you don`t have a knack for the usless, aka liberal, arts like religion, philosophy and sociology``............. she looked at me accusingly and said, ``but you don`t believe in any of that stuff either``.......... ``yes, but i don`t believe in atheism either ``........... she gave me that look which is reserved for senile old people who don`t know anything but are constantly telling younger people what to do ...........

....... anyway, i gave her a copy of karen armstrong`s history of god and told her to read it before she made up her mind whether she wanted to believe in him or not ..........she gave me that look again !.............. personally, i really don`t care wheter she believes in the tooth fairy or not, but she is taking a class in comparative religion next semester and needs an a to offset the c in sociology last semester .................

Re: # 203

shishapa,

sorry, but i think habashi comes from multan - as in ``habashi halwa`` .....

I think Habashi comes from Abbysinian (who are Ethiopians).

blondes must be beautiful ..........

........... has anyone else noticed how many pakistani women are bleaching their hair blonde or dyeing it red ? ............. mrs hamidm tells me that some are even getting skin peels and finally, after centuries of natural living, are beginning to shave their legs too ................. what the heck is going on ? ..........

............. is tony berlusconi right after all ? ......is western civilization going to sweep everything away ?.............. are echoboom and urstruly doomed to drown in this flood which was not predicted in the old, new or newer testaments ?............ why are iranian women showing more hair and revealing their feminine charms by wearing figure-hugging coats ?..............

............. who needs an alternative ``muslim`` identity when eventually we will all be westernized even though we can`t be white .........................

tahmed,

...... on her first trip to america my mother-in-law, a hindoo convert from jullunder who a has a rather overly wheatish complexion, would look at the african americans - habashis, she called them - shake her head, cluck her tongue and say , `` becharay buhat hee kalay hain, allah ta`allah nain in kay sath kitna zulum kiya hai ``.........

....... now, how can you argue with that kind of logic .............

hamidm: so was kansi. :-) i saw his ``wanted`` picture on a post office wall back then (when he had just run away after his killing spree), and they had his race down as white too.

I didnt know you were so easily thrilled (i.e. in being classified as white). Talk about being ``race conscious``. Desis are the most color conscious people on earth I think.

i am white ..................

.............. my eighteen year old daughter was thrilled when she recently got her first traffic ticket ......... as somone who would have graduated from high school without a single detention if she hadn`t been caught without her jacket in the hall in the last week of school, it was a big achievement for her - an affirmation of her wild and dangerous life style ............. but more than the thrill of being chased by the police at forty miles an hour, she was absolutely delighted that he put a little ``w`` in the race box ......... i didn`t know that they had a race box even though i collect tickets with jihadi zeal, but it seems that they do, and the policeman, not knowing how to classify a brown person with straight hair, decided my daughter was white .............

............ and she agrees ......she felt redeemed, exonerated and honored because many of her desi friends accuse her of being a cocunut , a white-wannabe who listens to indie music instead of rap, and hangs out with gay guys in turtle neck sweaters instead of chasing pimply msa billy goats with scraggly beards, gel in their hair and nihari on their breath .............

............. her identity crisis is over and the traffic ticket is prominently posted on the fridge along with her solitary detention ticket ..............



p.s. but my identity crisis continues ..........yesterday at the airport, this nice young lady scrutinized my passport carefully, poring over the pakistani visa and looking suspiciously at my saddamesque moustache ...... `` how long have you lived in the us``..... ``thirty years,`` i said, adding on a few years for dramatic effect ..........with a sheepish, almost apologetic grin, the young lady swiped my passport and said, ``welcome home``.......... it was okay, but i wish i was white too ............

Re: # 195

echo,

what do you have against khusraas and kanjars ?........

........... but you are right about ``merlo-munafiqs`` - there is nothing worse than a person who drinks pink zindanfel ............ they are the the equivalent of the mullah who swats flies around his ears every time he bends over to touch his kness during rukoo !

Laanat-ullah #195

froths his hatred and intolerance

in the language he condemns



insecurista abul-hates!

..... fejoada and caipirinha is muslim food ? ...........


.......... abdul is a good muslim even though he was born and raised in brazil and has never been to mecca or lebanon, the land from where his grandparents emigrated ... .......... at lunch, when they put out these wonderful looking tenderloin medallions wrapped in bacon, he passed them up and settled for plain old black beans and rice ........ ``i don`t do pork``, he said, as he picked out the pieces of bacon from the beans ......... ``neither do i, `` i said, as i carefully proceeded to unwrap the beef before stacking it up on my plate - honestly speaking, i have nothing against the poor pig, but i didn`t want to offend my host ..........

............... so i was a little surprised when he said, ``tomorrow we must have fejoada for lunch before you leave for the airport - i will take you to the best place in town where they also make the meanest caipirinha`` .......... good to his word he took me to this elegant restaurant where, after a long and animated discussion with the waiter in portugese, he informed me that he had ordered the ``traditional`` fejoada ........ ...i know that fejoada is beans and pork and godknowswhatnot cooked over a slow fire for at least twenty four hours, but i had never heard of this traditional variety ......``it has pig`s ears, tongue, tail and ears along with sausage and rib meat - it is what real brazilian`s eat``............. he was right - it was delicious, as were the caipirinhas ! ............

.......... i didn`t have to ask him how he could he eat the fejoada when he didn`t ``do`` pork - i know he is a real brazilian ...........