Delhiwala July 2, 2005
#46 Posted by delhiwala on July 3, 2005 4:15:42 pm
Re: # 38
I can assure you one thing no matter where you are in the world(with some exceptions), anybody who is a B. TECH from any IIT in India from any branch would be hired at the drop of a hat.
I have seen a Chemical Engg from IIT Delhi(not very high in the scale) being hired by IBM with a starting salary of $120 base + bonus with no IT experience, except some progamming skills in his area of expertise.
This guy ended up creating a microcode based language that is used by IBM microelectrics now. I am not saying this because I was born in India or I am envious of IITians but because I see it on a daily basis.
As far as other Asian IITians are concerned, I really don`t know what to say. Most of them were Political refugees when Indira Gandhi was trying to be friendly with Yasser Arafat. and other NAM countries. These Palestinians(most of them that I knew) were family guys and were happy to live in India in IIT campus hostels with subsidized food. I was told that Palestinians live in camps in their country and India(a third world country) was a haven for them. I did meet 2 foreign IITians(one S African and one Romanian) who went to IIT Madras and they were very happy about IIT, they work in Boston now.
As far as Indian Railways are concerned; they work in India for the Indians. You can travel from N Delhi to Secundrabad, a distance of 1100 miles for $8-10, what else do you want?
It costs, $8 R/T from NJ to NYC, a distance of 5-10 miles.
I can assure you one thing no matter where you are in the world(with some exceptions), anybody who is a B. TECH from any IIT in India from any branch would be hired at the drop of a hat.
I have seen a Chemical Engg from IIT Delhi(not very high in the scale) being hired by IBM with a starting salary of $120 base + bonus with no IT experience, except some progamming skills in his area of expertise.
This guy ended up creating a microcode based language that is used by IBM microelectrics now. I am not saying this because I was born in India or I am envious of IITians but because I see it on a daily basis.
As far as other Asian IITians are concerned, I really don`t know what to say. Most of them were Political refugees when Indira Gandhi was trying to be friendly with Yasser Arafat. and other NAM countries. These Palestinians(most of them that I knew) were family guys and were happy to live in India in IIT campus hostels with subsidized food. I was told that Palestinians live in camps in their country and India(a third world country) was a haven for them. I did meet 2 foreign IITians(one S African and one Romanian) who went to IIT Madras and they were very happy about IIT, they work in Boston now.
As far as Indian Railways are concerned; they work in India for the Indians. You can travel from N Delhi to Secundrabad, a distance of 1100 miles for $8-10, what else do you want?
It costs, $8 R/T from NJ to NYC, a distance of 5-10 miles.
#45 Posted by ahmedmadani on July 3, 2005 1:04:56 pm
Mr. Dilliwallah..... Thanks for wring article.
You should not get disturbed by strange comments as Inadia/ Pakistan is full of loosers and damn poor miserable. For them you success is crime they are only excited and depressed by envy jalosy and greed.
The salary paid for Harward seems very good and other good thing is you do not hyave to take tough IIT entrance exam. If you can take loan you can go to Harward college. Also its better to be in company of powerful people. My prime minister Mrs Bhutto was there as well as royal prince of India and Future prime minister of India Mrs Rahul Gandhi educated there. So moving in proper circle is better than just studying.
BY taking exam it self the IITIANS are ellite and there is noting wrong every body wants to be like that. Beacuse rejecting 99.98% they are making a caste of smart people which is against general social ethos of everybody is unique. Also making money is important. I am disagreement with Prof Saminsha. Only money is key to get ahead. I need to go as some problem it looks. Cats fighting may kill each other/ old male cat/ Bye now later at night if no sleep.
You should not get disturbed by strange comments as Inadia/ Pakistan is full of loosers and damn poor miserable. For them you success is crime they are only excited and depressed by envy jalosy and greed.
The salary paid for Harward seems very good and other good thing is you do not hyave to take tough IIT entrance exam. If you can take loan you can go to Harward college. Also its better to be in company of powerful people. My prime minister Mrs Bhutto was there as well as royal prince of India and Future prime minister of India Mrs Rahul Gandhi educated there. So moving in proper circle is better than just studying.
BY taking exam it self the IITIANS are ellite and there is noting wrong every body wants to be like that. Beacuse rejecting 99.98% they are making a caste of smart people which is against general social ethos of everybody is unique. Also making money is important. I am disagreement with Prof Saminsha. Only money is key to get ahead. I need to go as some problem it looks. Cats fighting may kill each other/ old male cat/ Bye now later at night if no sleep.
#43 Posted by Saminasha on July 3, 2005 12:08:10 pm
The Ivies egalitarian? As egalitarian as William Buckley doling out soup on Thanksgiving....
#42 Posted by JagdeeshGodbole on July 3, 2005 11:59:57 am
Does anyone want to take up with delhiwala is assertion that IITs promote elitism while Harvard, Cambridge etc are oasis of egilatarism? If no one does it, I will.
#41 Posted by Saminasha on July 3, 2005 11:44:54 am
Delheewallah,
While your piece seems to be focusing on the university as a corporate brand name, this is not news. You might want to include how post 9/11 policies towards immigration and international students have pushed some of the best and brightest towards China, India and Europe for higher education. As the US has always profitted from the influx of highly talented immigrants, the consequences of these misguided and distrustful policies only mark the US`s inevitable decline as superpower. Our Great Leaders seem to be more interested in starting Christian colleges-and once religious ideology passes as the only relevant knowledge making system, we are truly headed towards mediocrity.
Also, not a mention of a single prof or class that changed your life? All that money, and all you got for it was a keychain?
While your piece seems to be focusing on the university as a corporate brand name, this is not news. You might want to include how post 9/11 policies towards immigration and international students have pushed some of the best and brightest towards China, India and Europe for higher education. As the US has always profitted from the influx of highly talented immigrants, the consequences of these misguided and distrustful policies only mark the US`s inevitable decline as superpower. Our Great Leaders seem to be more interested in starting Christian colleges-and once religious ideology passes as the only relevant knowledge making system, we are truly headed towards mediocrity.
Also, not a mention of a single prof or class that changed your life? All that money, and all you got for it was a keychain?
#40 Posted by drlokraj on July 3, 2005 11:04:12 am
Re: # 34
I am not sure.If you are talking about Prof.Harcharan Singh of Social and Preventive Medicine,then yes.He did not use any surname.He was our vice principle when I joined Medical College Patiala,but he soon got selected to a very high office in Delhi(Deputy Director General and perhaps became Director General of Health Services of India).He was perhaps the finest teacher of S.P.M.around that time in the whole country.
I am not sure.If you are talking about Prof.Harcharan Singh of Social and Preventive Medicine,then yes.He did not use any surname.He was our vice principle when I joined Medical College Patiala,but he soon got selected to a very high office in Delhi(Deputy Director General and perhaps became Director General of Health Services of India).He was perhaps the finest teacher of S.P.M.around that time in the whole country.
#39 Posted by Mike on July 3, 2005 10:54:06 am
Yaar delhiwale..it doesn`t matter who I am , but Khamkhwa is clearly jealous of Harvard grads..
#38 Posted by ahmedmadani on July 3, 2005 10:23:13 am
Re: # 31 Thanks for your answers. Yes some are passed in IIT even if they failed. When I went to Gulf for very short assignment I met IIT grad ( Palestanian) and he did IIT BTech from Kharagpore. He said they are promoted even though he failed many courses. He did not like the branch assigned to him, they were inflexible, hye had no choice as otherwise he would have lost scholorship and admission. He was mad as he was not given mechanical engg but mining engg and he had no interest in that. Later he went to college and did civil engg in USA and is working at big position. As he was given free scholarship and education he had contempt for IIT college. So he being big manager ( hire and fire) gave me his preference for hiring - us college-europe college- Arab college-pakistan-IIT and other colleges in India.
Due to that I asked question the other ordinary Indian students are graded in usual way of their condition is taken into account while grading.
I have watched pictures of Indian railway being rail fan of all world railways. Few times gone to India, you have good local service specially at peak at bombay city where it was fun to watch local train coming every 2 minutes.
About Hyderbad metro I saw pictures its not good. It looks like bombay local chhap type. Metro to be called means it should be shining clean, modern and should be underground most of time. Also lots of people one can see with open doors poking out bodies and people crossing rail path. It is different as some pictures show lots of hundreds of people riding roof of railway. Thanks.
Due to that I asked question the other ordinary Indian students are graded in usual way of their condition is taken into account while grading.
I have watched pictures of Indian railway being rail fan of all world railways. Few times gone to India, you have good local service specially at peak at bombay city where it was fun to watch local train coming every 2 minutes.
About Hyderbad metro I saw pictures its not good. It looks like bombay local chhap type. Metro to be called means it should be shining clean, modern and should be underground most of time. Also lots of people one can see with open doors poking out bodies and people crossing rail path. It is different as some pictures show lots of hundreds of people riding roof of railway. Thanks.
#37 Posted by delhiwala on July 3, 2005 10:21:58 am
Re: # 35
Mr Khamkhawa, please leave my thread alone. Spread your hatred elsewhere with your girlfriends.
This is a clean thread with quality participation, if you want to be civil you are welcome otherwise please don`t come here.
Goodbye!
Mr Khamkhawa, please leave my thread alone. Spread your hatred elsewhere with your girlfriends.
This is a clean thread with quality participation, if you want to be civil you are welcome otherwise please don`t come here.
Goodbye!
#36 Posted by delhiwala on July 3, 2005 10:10:12 am
Re: # 27
I was also getting a feeling that I have encountered him before.
No matter what you do, people will still give away in aliased NICs.
Why can`t everyone be happy and peaceful, why this India/Paki hatred, even on the internet, 58 yrs after the partition??????
I was also getting a feeling that I have encountered him before.
No matter what you do, people will still give away in aliased NICs.
Why can`t everyone be happy and peaceful, why this India/Paki hatred, even on the internet, 58 yrs after the partition??????
#35 Posted by khamkhwa. on July 3, 2005 10:08:43 am
[I remember that there used to lot of Palestinian students in IIT Delhi, and could still get degree even if they failed(don`t know how it happened).] - delhiwala.
... the way it happened with you... ;))
... the way it happened with you... ;))
#34 Posted by delhiwala on July 3, 2005 10:07:00 am
Re: # 20
Drlokraj: Did you goto Patiala medical College?
Was there a Professor Hracharan Singh Cheema there?
Drlokraj: Did you goto Patiala medical College?
Was there a Professor Hracharan Singh Cheema there?
#32 Posted by khamkhwa. on July 3, 2005 10:03:59 am
Re: # 29
...dilli... you are so stupid you don`t even know your friend salim from gujju... no wonder people think you graduated out of howard school...;)
...dilli... you are so stupid you don`t even know your friend salim from gujju... no wonder people think you graduated out of howard school...;)
#31 Posted by delhiwala on July 3, 2005 9:53:47 am
Re: # 18
Ahmed Sahib,
India`s Railway system is not as slow as you think. It is the biggest in the world not the latest though.
There is a huge growth potential for Domestic Airlines in India due to drastic surge in IT, leading to local air travel.
As of now, Indian airports do not have required infrasturcture for the potential growth. For e.g. IGIA at Delhi does not have a CAT-II ILS systems that is critical for landing in 0/0 weather and as probably know, Delhi is full of fog in winters and haze in summers. This was the cause of many international airliners refusing to fly to India or have loimited services.
As per the Govt, India would see big changes in civil and general aviation by 2007.
Ahmed Sahib,
India`s Railway system is not as slow as you think. It is the biggest in the world not the latest though.
There is a huge growth potential for Domestic Airlines in India due to drastic surge in IT, leading to local air travel.
As of now, Indian airports do not have required infrasturcture for the potential growth. For e.g. IGIA at Delhi does not have a CAT-II ILS systems that is critical for landing in 0/0 weather and as probably know, Delhi is full of fog in winters and haze in summers. This was the cause of many international airliners refusing to fly to India or have loimited services.
As per the Govt, India would see big changes in civil and general aviation by 2007.
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