Who Created Pakistan?

Pakistan was Not made in the Name of Islam.Infact most of the Ulemas and Muslim Clergy were against it.MA Jinnah amny times denounced radicalism and he emphatic to say that Pakistan Will Not be a theoracritic country.Alas! Zia changed everything and Mullas were made powerful,though they never gained anything substantial in Elections.Think how we cn get Quid`s Pakistan other ineveitable result will be what is obvious.We still have time.

The very informative and indepth look about Partition of India can be found at

http://headheeb.blogmosis.com/archives/025930.html

and

http://www.zackvision.com/weblog/2004/09/partition.html

and

for truth what we are teaching our kids at school can be found here.

http://www.india-seminar.com/2003/522/522%20krishna%20kumar.htm

Hi, gr8philosopher here.
I`m really quite young and hence, perhaps quite naive and foolish...but...
I really don`t see the point in even thinking about religions.
I mean...strip everything down and aren`t you left with just a human being?
Jew, Muslim, Christian, Hindu, et al...how does it even matter?
It`s society that`s conditioned us, since birth, to classify human beings into these various categories. These religions...most of them...have sacred texts...which few really understand.
I don`t really think Islam talks about hating other human beings, whatever their beliefs might be. Likewise, I really doubt Hinduism preaches hatred for any soul who doesn`t believe in the Vedantist philosophy. However, any text can be interpreted, by certain unscrupulous elements in society, as per their beliefs. Is it really that difficult to begin to look at human beings as just plain human beings? Perhaps not at an administrative level...but at least at a personal one?
I was going through some of the interacts and I found certain comments that I couldn`t really understand. I, for one, am completely unable to understand how one can call oneself patriotic and then, verbally bash up a human being from another nation for doing what he or she felt was patriotic. I`m not criticising anyone at all over here; I have no right to.
All I`m trying to get across is this young student`s amazement at the lack of humanity today...and also at the world being created, for us to occupy. I guess it really is true that most of the majors in the world today, are basically hedonists by nature and don`t really care about this `next-generation` and what happens to it. Guess the attitude is `we`ll live our lives the way we want to, till we can...heck with those who come after us.`
Maybe these words of mine will be dismissed, as childish prattle by some kid who hasn`t learned enough about life yet, to understand `practicality`.
I suppose that`s true...what have I seen of life anyway?
Ah well, c`est la vie, eh?
So, in conclusion, all I can say about this glorious legacy left behind, for us kids is...
I suppose...
Thanks.

There are many instances which just happen. Neither Muslims nor Hindus wanted Partition. It was just forced upon them. Call it divine intervention, if you so wish.

There is no point in analysing the causes of Partition. It cannot be undone now or atleast in the near to medium future. The only thing to be seen is that how close the two peoples can come together. We should work in that direction. No One People-One Nation or Two People-Two Nation but One People-Two Nations. Politically separate but socially,culturally and economically together.

This is the only plausible future of Hindustan and Pakistan.

Ref JagdeeshAsshole #244

[Ranjit and Mike
You guys are chutias. Sanjay Gandhi`s solution seems best in dealing with people like you - you must be stopped from breeding at any cost!]

It is people like you who ought to be stopped from breeding at all costs!

As for Sanjay Gandhi, he learnt a little bit too late that despite his status as the Prime Minister`s son and despite all his high-placed cronies at least some laws would apply in his case, such as the Law of Gravity.

Re: 256 by tahmed32

[So you think chowk (with a membership that would fit into one room!!) is a global forum!!]


Regardless of what I think, it IS a global forum. I know Indians all over the US that regularly hit this site. I`m sure this is true of Indians living in other countries as well. I know a couple of Americans who visit this site sometimes as well. That DOES make it a ``Global Forum``. I know I started reading out of morbid fascination - how do these fanatic idiots REALLY think.

And by the way, not everyone who hits this site becomes a member.



[And that it is a forum for anti-Indian propaganda!! read the posts/articles from Pakistanis, and you will see that they have far more interesting things to talk about than gossip among one another about how bad hindus/Indians are (which unlike the gossip that had been going on on this forum among Indians about the bad muslims/Pakistans).]


There is a LOT of anti-Indian propaganda going on here. Whether that is the SOLE purpose of this site is irrelevant.

You know, before putting up arguments, try to think first. ALL your arguments are SO easily refuted, it`s not even funny.



[You are truly pathetic individuals, burning with hatred about supposed historical wrongs.]

The world thinks you Pakis/Muslims are a pathetic bunch. It`s funny how muslims in America now try pass themselves off as Indians. The other day I was talking to a Pakistani cellphone salesman. I asked him where he was from. He said - ``Oh, I`m from India, India-Pakistan, you know, it`s the same - I go to India all the time``. To the American customers, he passes himself off as an Indian.

VERY pathetic.



[Seeking attention from Pakistanis by coming to chowk,..]


Right. Seeking attention from Pakis and Bangladeshis. And from Somalians.



[...then making absurd claims like you have above of why you are here.]


Yeah. My claims are absurd. Because YOU say so.

#253 you write ``This same issue was raised before - why do I, for example, come to this forum if I dislike Muslims. I answered that the ONLY reason I come is because this is a global forum, and anti-Indian propaganda has done MUCH harm to the country over the years, and this must be neutralized somehow. ``

So you think chowk (with a membership that would fit into one room!!) is a global forum!! And that it is a forum for anti-Indian propaganda!! read the posts/articles from Pakistanis, and you will see that they have far more interesting things to talk about than gossip among one another about how bad hindus/Indians are (which unlike the gossip that had been going on on this forum among Indians about the bad muslims/Pakistans). You are truly pathetic individuals, burning with hatred about supposed historical wrongs. Seeking attention from Pakistanis by coming to chowk, then making absurd claims like you have above of why you are here.

#254 Take two of those green pills the vet ordered for you (works on monkeys, should work on you too).

Re: # 248
And you are an flaming idiot. Your statement is laughable at so many level, that it is not even worthy of a rebuttal. In fact, as I have said before, YOU are not worthy of any debate, discussion or argument. You should only be laughed at and kicked out of the way when you start getting annoying. Ha! Ha!

Re: #247 by tahmed32

[This provides a plausible explanation for the mystery why individuals who claim to hate muslims and Pakistan come to this website to begin with. Another plausible explanation is that exchanging insults and ridicule is the only form of human interaction they are capable of. Probably it is a mix of both, with the anonymity of the internet medium making it easy for them to engage in stupid insults and big talk. ]


You see, Southasian, this post by this tahmed32 idiot is a case in point.

It is not that they don`t know the answer. They PRETEND not to know. Because they know that lying is their ONLY way out.

This same issue was raised before - why do I, for example, come to this forum if I dislike Muslims.

I answered that the ONLY reason I come is because this is a global forum, and anti-Indian propaganda has done MUCH harm to the country over the years, and this must be neutralized somehow.

Dead silence from the other side.

After a few weeks, they are back harping on the same question again.

As if, this is the first time this issue is being raised.

The ``hatred`` card is the only card they can play.

Any time you find anything wrong with them, it`s not because you are right in your views - oh no! It is always because you are a bigot, pseudobigot etc, and you HATE them.

This is these fanatic idiots` only defense.

#250..abrahamis have been involved in an interncine battle about is abraham better than ibrahim..LOL.

Re: # 250 My contention is let invisibles be what they are: invisibles.

Ref southasian #246

[Coming to the issue of faith. It is not an issue to be put to a test of logic. It caters to the irrational part of human psyche.]

One can have his or her own Faith.

However, it is the Abrahamic faiths who are insistent that their Invisible Friend is better than anybody else`s Invisible Friend -- their Invisible Friend called Jehovah or Allah. At least the Jews are not going around publicly declaring their irrationality and actively trying to convert others.

The Hindus are at least saying that all Invisible Friends are okay. We may be irrational but not to the extreme that these queers are.

Re: # 247 Tahmed, that`s why I say its better left in one`s personal domain.

JagdeeshGodbole alias John Galt alias Rsaxena #244: I see that you are still fuming after a full year after being exposed by me for the fake that you are (seeking sympathy from Pakistanis about your mental depression on UP, then going on the front page and joining the rest of the Pakistan-obsessed Indian freaks in gossipping about how evil muslims and Pakistanis are).

You can change your nicks, but you cant change your pathetic personality.

southasia #246 I like the new term you have coined (``pseudobigots``, defined as ``their hatred is not real. They just feel rejected.`` This provides a plausible explanation for the mystery why individuals who claim to hate muslims and Pakistan come to this website to begin with. Another plausible explanation is that exchanging insults and ridicule is the only form of human interaction they are capable of. Probably it is a mix of both, with the anonymity of the internet medium making it easy for them to engage in stupid insults and big talk.

I basically agree with your views on religion, but think one needs to take a step beyond saying that religion has done more good than bad. That is (as I also noted in my previous post below) one needs to understand and separate the good from the bad. The good being the peace of mind that religion (any religion) brings, e.g., and the bad being many things (superstitions, exploitation of religion for politicial purposes, and so on).