Who Created Pakistan?

Ajeya: You can call the prophet muhammed whatever you like, all day long. You are merely illustrating my point that you have been raised in a primitive culture where it is considered ``cool`` to ridicule minority religions.

Re: #205 by tahmed32


You can call my writing ``gibberish`` all day long.

But the undeniable fact is that you ARE a follower of a pedophile, and that`s the end of it.

Hey TahMAD32,

There you go bro, you caved in already. So, when a non-muslim talks sense which we ought had long back, you call it BS? I will tell you what pure-unadulterated BS is:

1. Calling suicide bombers not `real muslims` when the suicide bombers themselves take pride in being pure muslims.

2. Saying that Islam is the most complete religion, and other religions are incomplete in many aspects. Forgot to say, this Bangladeshi dude said, Hinduism in its Vedic origins was pure, but somehow the message got corrupted in the course of tiem as opposed to Islam which jealously guarded its original message in its pristine form. What are people like him doing...giving non-muslims and their religions atleast some credit or what now?

3. Saying only an insignificant section of the muslim population is fundamentalist.

I do not see muslims anywhere honestly learning other cultures, honestly trying to bridge the gap between non-muslims and muslims. Each time I say something is not how it needs to be done to a muslim, the first reaction is one of a defensive kind, and he/she goes ``hamare usme aisa nahin hota``. The world is better if people like these drop the current levels of importance they attach to whatever that ``usme`` is. Do you get it now, T sir? Forget illiterate Muslims, who have had a very little positive interaction with other cultures. Whats with even the educated Muslims like this Bangla dude, and Farzana?? Why does that delusion run in their system still, that sense of self-righteousness, and unassailable logic. Hmm...itching to meet some more of your ilk, Sir

Re:jang#208

Hindus have already met their final solution in Pakistan, where they have been reduced to 1% of population. Hindus are already meeting their final solution in Bangladesh, where they are slowly but surely squeezing the minorities. Even in our good old secular India, hindus have met their final solution in the Kashmir valley.

But of course, we hindus must always remain secular. It was ordained by the Lord that no matter how much abuse is heaped on us, we will champion secularism till our last breath. We must always champion human values and be ``above`` them, when they feel no such compulsion. I will give you a test - Give any Pakistani a gun and a chance to kill 10 Indians. Every Pakistani will take it up, whether it is Musharraf or Shaukat Aziz or Benazir. Give any Indian a gun and a chance to kill 10 Pakistanis. Every Indian (hindu) will come up with an excuse as to how that would violate our values. This is the difference between them and us. They are willing to kill us, drive us out and take over our land. We are not willing to fight back. Hence they will win.

antihypochrist #209 I said that you chose a nick that ridicules the sacred figure of one minority community in India (christians), and that write insults about another minority community (muslims).

And you respond by saying you merely picked the nick because it ``sounded cool``. ha! ha! Of course it sounds cool to you to ridicule the sacred figure of a minority community.
you add that `` no other country stirs up controversies over icons, figures and Prophets``: in other words, you assume that in India there are no controversies over religous matters!! And this from thugs like Advani and Modi as national-level figures. Give me a break.

And btw, writing bs and big words and empty threats on chowk is not equivalent to playing ``hardball`` as you think. Dont flatter yourself. This is another piece of delusion that you have been taught in the culture you were raised in.

Deat Tahmed32 #187

Ohho, so you think I created my nick only to ridicule the Christ. Jesus effing Christ, I created it just because it sounded cool...originally thought I would call myself anti-hypocrite, but then thought why not make it antihypochrist. And dude, no other country stirs up controversies over icons, figures and Prophets. So stop worrying about if my nick hurt Indian christians. And coming to my `hate-filled` posts, truth hurts, huh? Did I bad-mouth Islam like your mullahs do from the pulpits of the mosques? Read carefully dear, where did I bad-mouth Islam? This behaviour is what I wanted to bring out in you guys. Don`t tell me you got terribly hurt. It`s a lame excuse. You people talk and bad-mouth all other religions and cultures. Nothing wrong about it, just because you are still a `minority`? Muslims, like people from all other religions should NOT be from immune from criticism. Call spade a spade. When a non-muslim plays a hardball in lapping up what a muslim doles out in terms of tidbits about Islamic superiority, this is to be expected - that the non-muslim is hate-filled!!

gujju mutated into someone more virulant...unimaginable but true. he must have recently read about the final solution.

Mike,

The problem of isolating muslims is that they will never leave the country. Rather they will take up crime like Dawood or worse, join hands with ISI to commit terrorism all over. We had such a golden opportunity in 1947 to get rid of this problem once and for all. We could have systematically expelled every muslim man, woman and child out of India. But as usual, our hindu habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory (as exemplified by Prithvi Raj Chauhan with Ghauri), came up to the surface. We decided to be ``secular`` and let them live here.

We completely forgot that it was the North Indian muslims from UP/Bihar who wanted partition the most. The North Indian muslims are not an innocent minority. They were behind the entire Pakistan movement for 30 years where they did everything under the sun to destroy India and give us a holocaust where 6 million people died. We rewarded them for their act of treachery by creating a ``secular`` nation for them.

I say, we get rid of our soft indulgent attitude toward them as if they are an innocent community that wants to live in peace. We should throw an ultimatum that they need to fix the mess they created, as a price for letting them live in India. They must put pressure on Pakistan and Kashmir to completely stop all terrorism and give up any claims on Kashmir. No compromise or anything. If one Indian soldier dies in Kashmir, we will answer by killing 200 muslims starting with criminals in Indian jails. If they fail to resolve this matter, they have 2 choices - convert to hinduism or leave for Pakistan/Bangladesh. We will buy them tickets on the delhi/lahore bus.

Ranjit...I dont think reconversion is possible given the dogmatism of the muslims. A better solution would be denying them jobs and business oppportunities , asking the public not to have any transactions with them , making them leave the country of their own accord.

But that is the ideal scenario. Whats happening is the opposite with 5% of the seats in colleges and government jobs being reserved for them in Andhra Pradesh. This is only the latest in the long history of muslim appeasement in India - like using the money of the honest tax payer (obviously hindu) to finance the Haj trips........

Ajeya: #195/96. Now you are merely writing gibberish. Having been shown the cesspool in your mind, where you think it is OK to abuse minority religions. And having failed to provide a proper answer to the self-contradictory bs you wrote (writing about looking forward to going leaving India to go to America in one post, and saying you are an American citizen in another post).

But dont let me stop you and the rest of your delusional indian pals (ranjit and co). Hell, one geniuses might even be able to come up with a website made by Indians, so you dont have to come to chowk to exchange your gibberish with one another.

Re:mohar#174

``Count me out from that. Are you erstwhile Gujju-Bania?``

Mohar, this is the problem with us hindus. When it comes to muslims, we just do not get it. We love to complain about muslims and Pakistan, but when it comes to doing what it takes to solve the problem, we chicken out. This is the reason, we have lost for centuries and our country got partitioned. Muslims cannot change if they remain muslims, since they follow an expansionist ideology that does not accept coexistence with others.

We hindus have tried coexistence for 1000 years. What good did it do for us? Muslims have not changed one bit since the day Mohd. bin Qasim set foot on the subcontinent and converted the first hindu to Islam. They hate and resent us with the same intensity for the past 1000 years. They committed barbarism against us for centuries and subjected us to imperial rule. They partitioned the subcontinent with the mosty bloody holocaust. We were stupid not to kick them out at that time. For the past 60 years, Pakistan has done everything possible to harm us and destroy us. The only muslim majority state of Kashmir threw out all hindus and has been subjecting India to a relentless bloodbath. After all this, you still want to have ``co-existence``, using economic leverage. Dont you realize, Ghaznavi and Ghauri attacked us because of our economic strength? They did not want to immigrate to India and enjoy our economy. They plundered us and they will do it again, if we do not do anything.

Aggressive reconversion within our current borders can be done without violence by offering incentives. There were moves started in the last century and now we should go after it. And no, I am not gujju bania.

Re: # 178 ajeya

``I was watching a program on TV the other day, on the world’s tallest buildings. They were talking to the American architect who designed the world’s tallest building in Kuala Lumpur. The architect was saying that he had asked the Malayasian government about what the building should look like. The answer? Forget about Malay history, Malay tradition, thousands of years of Malay culture – forget everything. To his incredulity, the government said – it should look “Islamic”. In other words, influenced by Arab architecture. ``

reminds me of Naipaul`s books:
Among the Believers (1981)
Beyond Belief: Islamic Excursions Among the Converted Peoples.


In destroying the sense of sacredness, Islamic fundamentalism is true to its type. But it does allow to one peoples, and only one peoples, the original peoples of the Prophet, their sacred places, pilgrimage and earth reverences; and these sacred Arab places have to be the sacred places of all the converted peoples.

Closely connected with this is another phenomenon. The converts have also to strip themselves of their past. Nothing is required of them but the purest faith, Islam, submission. Islam, Naipaul adds, ``is the most uncompromising kind of imperialism.``

Naipaul finds Islamic fundamentalism at work wherever he goes: in Iran, in Pakistan, in Indonesia, in Malaysia. It has its stages and intensities, but there is one minimum requirement: that the converts learn to lose regard for the land of their birth, reject their pagan neighbours and regard them along with women of inferior breed; that they hold their pre-Islamic past and ancestors in contempt. The one unalterable principle is tabligh: that they give up their old identity in every thing, in their beliefs, customs, names, dress. But as one advances in piety, others things are added. There is demand for the enforcement of the sharia, introduction of Muslim penal laws like amputation of limbs, public lashing and stoning; introduction of Muslim rules of marriage and divorce, introduction of obligatory fasts and prayers. All this is often irksome to the believers and in the modern world sometimes also not always practical. This often invites opposition. Hence the need for the fundamentalists to capture state power and enforce Islamic laws, the need for whipping vans to see that men observe rules and regulations of prayer and fasting.

Wherever Naipaul goes, he finds two features very prominent. One is that the converts are trying to erase their past; the second is that though they were once victims of an aggression, they are now all for the aggressor, for the Arabs. Whether in Iran, Pakistan, Indonesia, their fundamental rage is against the past, against history, and all this accompanied with the ``impossible dream of the true faith growing out of a spiritual vacancy.``

Re:khamkhwa#198

``what caste are they gonna be put``

A good question. I would say Kshatriya or Rajputs, given their meat eating ways and fondness for the sword. North India had a tradition of absorbing new immigrants like Scythians and Central Asians as Rajputs. In fact hinduism is a highly assimilating religion which somehow could not succeed with the muslims. But now that we are back in political power over most of the subcontinent, it is time to set things right. So how about it - convert en masse to hinduism and become rajputs?

Re:rsidhar#182

You are forgetting that in 1947, IMs overwhelmingly supported Pakistan. At that time, even muslims in south India supported Pakistan, although much to our misfortune, they did not go there. It is naive to think that IMs have any affection for India. They are just lying low because their population went down right after partition. People like Ferzana, who is actually quite well off personally but is intensely communal, are the real face of IMs. Once their population grows back to the 20% level, god help us.

How many IMs have come out openly to support India over Kashmir? How many IMs have gone to Kashmir to win over the Kashmiris to our side? Every day 10-15 people die there like cattle, our brave soldiers facing bullets and bombs in the name of Islam, while the IMs enjoy hindu hospitality all over India. We hindus have become so shameless and impotent, that forget about taking revenge, we cannot even defend what we have left today.

On top of it, there are certain hindu communities, like the Bengalis, who are hell bent on committing collective suicide both in West Bengal and eventually in India. Thanks to their mindless communist support, the demographics of West Bengal is changing at an alarming rate as it lurches towards muslim majority. Even after the experience of partition and Bangladesh, the bengalis do not see the alarming situation developing when one day West Bengal becomes a muslim majority state and a secesssion movement starts over there.

#198, Khamkhwa {``ranjit wants indian muslims to be converted to hinduism:}

Not a bad idea, considering that Moose Limbs in Pakiland don`t accept so many other Moose Limbs anyway. Time for India to make another tactical move as in `71.

Re: # 198
What caste do Aishwarya Rai and Priyanka Chopra belong to? :)
Count me in. Maybe I still count as Kshatriya?