Close Encounter

Hamidm:

Please keep Chowkis updated on any success with your ``close encounter`` with you know who. That story is much more interesting than the article.

Thank you.

Re: # 250

pardesi,

...... sorry to say, nothing happened as urstruly failed to show up ........... it is the story of my life - being stood up by women ......... oh well !

.......... talking about women, i am glad to see some of our jawans - and not so jawans - taking up cudgels on behalf of the fair sex (even though some of them might not be so fair) ........ but all of it, from both sides, is indicative of the generally horrible attitude desi men have towards women ....... there are two reasons for this .......

.................. first, it is the way we are raised - a lot of lip service to ``respect`` for women, while they eat chicken feet and fish tails and sit in the front of the bus ........ as a result, when we grow up, we are rather insecure and defensive when it comes to dealing with women ....... also, women encourage this behaviour by accepting their second class status in society (as determined by the men folk, religion, culture, etc.) ........ and when a woman takes umbrage at the way she is treated everyone, including women, brand her as a trouble maker and the source of fitna on earth ........ even in the drawing rooms of polite society in islamabad i have heard asma jehangir being called a kanjri .......

............. second - and i have mentioned it before - muslim men feel impotent and are angry at the world because they have been beaten in every field of human endeavor by other men ............ they walk around looking for the dog to kick, but since mohammadens do not keep dogs they end up kicking their women ....... it is as simple as that .............

........ we would not be having this tedious discussion if salim had exchanged obscenities and abuse with another man (or urstruly) ..........

this is for chowk staff, who i hope will not delete this post -- while it is good that chowk-staff have clarified what post temporal holds in the chowk scheme of things -- apparently he is a volunteer -- it seems that they (chowk-staff) take other interactors here (esp. on this board and elsewhere) for a bunch of naive children -- the fact of the matter is that by most standard mr temporal is a terrible writer, of both poetry and prose -- despite that he regularly gets published on chowk -- normally some articles appearing the same day as on his ilog (which means they sure get processed really quick -- given that ilog entries appear immediately) -- this would obviously lead most sensible and sane people to wonder that perhaps his more than friendly association with chowk staff (in the past I distinctly recall temporal speaking as if in quasi-official or official capacity in response to some queries regarding chowk policy by interactors) is the primary reason why what he writes (which mostly is drivel) gets routinely published --

the thing that interactors should try and remember is that, as the chowk staff/founders/editors themselves say, the site is run by people who do other things in their professional lives and manage this site after taking out time and for no monetary recompense (now i remember -- it was temporal who once said that the site was a `labour of love` when i had broached this issue some time back, leading me to obviously think that he was part of the chowk, albeit voluntary, team) -- which is why they are often unable to enforce their own guidelines and which is why they are unable to see through the fact that a significant proportion of their site`s interactors accuse them of overt bias with respect to certain interactors

This thread showed Temporal is petty and cheap man. Mr. Salim is not to blame for everything when there are many other (YES WOMEN) who are dirty posters.

baba jees -- dostmittar sahib -- im afraid saying that salim `hijacks` all discussion is disinformation if ever there was disinformation -- just because he doesnt agree with you or t-bhai or gives either of you the respect or veneration that you quite mistakenly think people on this site should give you, doesnt give you the right to make such sweeping (and wrong) generalizations -- shame on you

temporal#214:

Thanks for reiterating your viewpoint.

The problem with the approach taken by chowk is that it hasn`t worked and has, indeed, been counterproductive. He is still alive and kicking at chowk, has successfully hijacked serious discussion on other topics, and seems to be convincing more and more people with his charge of unfairness against chowk. So, why not adopt veeresh`s toffee approach. I think that it would work, especially since the young man seems to crave those ``toffees``?

245 interacts for something which should have been ignored. Temporal, you have plumbed the depths with this. Godot and Salim bhais are spot on here with their critique. Forget the prepuscent sucking up led by the grand dame, this is lousy with even lousier puns. You can do better.

Dont treat Chowk as your first draft experiemental set up please. That way you insult chowkies.

I wanted to stay away from the discussion going on on this thread about abuse,insulting others etc. but seeing that blatant injustice is being done by singling out only Salim for every ill on chowk,I wanted to post my opinion as I feel,being a passive observer of injustice means practically approving it.

In the short span of time,since I have joined chowk,I have read some filthy responses from a number of interactors.Salim have been part of this but not always.He is constantly being accused of abusing female interactors y some female interacors and also some male interactors as well who claim to be the protectors of females and misters nice.Some names have been mentioned as victims of abuse at Salims`s hands,but can people answer why he has never ``abused`` many other female interactors e.g. amrita,aimie,ferzana,zeena,sadna,nb -to name a few!

Why nobody is asking saminasha also to look at her own interacts where she constantly refers to salim and anybody who interacts with him as ``namards``even without any provocation.....can there be a bigger abuse than that for a male? and this is just tip of the iceberg. Even being a practicing psychiatrist,I dont use the term ``psychopath`` for any one including my clients,because it is a very value-laden and stigmatized term and not used in any official nomenclature,but this term has been repeatedly used by Saminasha for Salim and even she posted a full article on psychopathic disorder.Salim will be well within his rights to sue her in any court for that.

I dont approve abuse of any type by any body.Let us not bring gender and our own biases based on ethnicity,religeon,language or our own personal likes and dislikes of people into it and ask all to refrain from it and stop singling somebody out.

Re: # 244
Dr Lokraj

I am a fan of Salim but you can not include Sadna in that list of women he never abused.

temporal wrote: ``#214 by temporal on August 30, 2005 2:18pm PT
(long post: sorry for this dealy)

Dost sahib #69:

The author too has, in some ways, contributed to this by bringing the credibility issue of an interactor.

am guilty as charged…but with this caveat…i was doing this with tahmed on THIS on the unplugged not here

...over the years one part of my record on chowk is open for public scrutiny…this multi-nick delusional psycho is the only one i have consistently singled out for his tactics to pick up fights with ladies…scout, succubus, huma mir, sobia, saminasha and others…do you see a pattern?…he initiates the fights and then whines, cries and vainly shifts the blame …also apparent …when men challenge he disappears fast…both kinds those who can sink low to his level ( e.g. atif2)….and those who stay above the fray (e.g. khamkhwa)

somebody has to expose him and his tactics…it is time we (men mainly) start standing up for blatant abuse of women at the least…you are right…this multi nick is not the first one here to abuse women interactors…others in the past have indulged in those sort of reprehensible activities hiding behind the safety of cyber anonymity (digression: even dr. sridhar’s use of “bitch” for another writer here should be condemned…has anyone of us done that yet? maybe someone did or maybe he retracted .. i have not visited that board for sometime...)…there were other women before sadna who just could not hack this and left…sadna, zahraj, saminasha, scout etc. are the fiery kind of new urbane educated no-nonsense women who have shown they can not only stand up to these delusional psycho misfits but can also go the distance toe to toe, deliver the knock out punch and brook no non-sense….more power to them…

fortunately or unfortunately i decided to step in and expose this con man for the charlaton he is…a bi-polar self deluding delusional psychotic poor excuse for a man…nay that would be insulting men…poor excuse for a (lesser) life form…and it has come to a point where the mere mention of credibility turns him into a mexican jumping bean…all those outlandish lies and statement he has made in the past have come home to roost…

and in more sense than one it is gratifying that this jehad is paying up…not only more and more folks are noticing the tactics of such dastardly men (and others: we are known by the company we keep))…they are rallying around us against this sort of cyber lynching

this story was written to channel discussions in another direction…but these threads have a life of their own

i understand how difficult it was for you to jump in here…appreciate that with thanks

rgds

t ``

what a load of BS -- these are the tactics borne out of pure desperation -- temporal sahib stop deflecting the valid criticism that is the consequence of your literary pursuits on chowk, not to mention your sanctimonious, patriarchal (`let us men stand up to these attacks against women...`) and petty attitude as shown via your interactions on chowk

no wonder that one baba is seeking out the help of the other baba in his hour of need

Re: # 243

Omar

You correctly point out the sanctimonious tone of the post, the holier than thou attitude of a petty, feeble-minded self-proclaimed “poet,” “writer,” and “whirling Dervesh.” True to his form, Mr. Sanctimonious lectures again! Look at his post #241 that translates: Send Salim to hunt in the jungle but tie both of his hands.

Salim is the clear victim in this hammam. All those who are throwing their sanctimonious rocks at him are as guilty, if not more, as Salim. However, there is one very clear and huge difference between Salim and them: Salim is far more intelligent, witty, and sharp than all of them put together.

#239 I agree with her.
Salim for Moderator.

I disagree with #241. They need not have a say here. Now come on a foul mouthed harridan like saminasha having an influence on moderator selection. Whatever next?

re: #239

chowk staff

i second zahra!

a wonderful idea worth exploring with this caveat...the veto should rest with saminahsa, scout, humaira mir, succubus, sobia and other aggrieved ladies...if he agrees and convinces the ladies he should get a chance to monitor the replies

t

Temporal Saab,

Aap to hamein sharmindah kar rahe hein! Hum itni taareef keh laa`iq nahin!

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Hamidm Saab,
Aap say to kohi ghalti nahin hoin thi; kasoor to maera hi heh keh mein nay apnay aap ko itnay oonchay loogoaN keh saath shaamil kya.

Back to the article . . . I liked the bit about poor Shaista pulling at Jamil early in the morning. At that young an age, getting up in the morning (and all other times . . .) is usually not difficult at all. Actually, if jack had called up and found out about the delay of three hours, it could also have been a lot of fun.

And one more thing - at a real-time real-life chowk, we do have the option of ignoring infants and idiots. Give them a toffee or three when they amuse, and ignore them when they become obnoxious, either which way eventully they will come sniffling back to apologise at regular intervals once they get to realise that toffees are better than being ignored.

However, with luck, such people are often also the sorts who grow up into excellent human beings. So, good luck, no?

Hamidm - and what am I? Chopped Liver? Pesh hai aap kay liye

There was a man named Hamidm
Who drank malt with a vim
His wit was adroit
As he wooed Urstruly from Detroit
But alas he drank alone with his whim