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Temporal August 29, 2005
#1 Posted by BeeJay on August 29, 2005 3:36:17 am
T-Bhai,
An interesting setting for a story – but you did not take it very far.
The natural ending would be that the guy would be released (perhaps with an apology) – unless he had done something – with little damage to him except for some lost time – just another inconvenienced person – an insignificant portion of the significant losses each and every human being has been paying in countless ways ever since 9/11.
Also, it is kind of stretching it to imply that people get pounced upon for saying “hi” – it is more logical that the guy would be under watch over monitors for something else which might raise suspicion before he would be “pounced upon”. Such vigilance is a part of the ongoing war on the domestic front. I wish those Canadians had their act as straight as the U.S.
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#3 Posted by Kamath on August 29, 2005 5:30:54 am
``....As soon as Jamil had uttered `Hi` to his friend Jack, the ever lurking air marshals nabbed him and before he could protest he and Jack were off-loaded and taken to the interrogation cell in the basement of terminal....
This is an old well worn out recycled joke. Why don`t you start a new story with a brand new joke?You might succeed!
This is an old well worn out recycled joke. Why don`t you start a new story with a brand new joke?You might succeed!
#4 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 7:43:04 am
#3, kamath,
I agree with you. This is a very old joke and shows the totally insensitive and sophomoric nature of the author in torturing us with this nonsense of an ``anecdote.`` I request Chowk Staff to send such amateur writer wannabees to some free ESL classes. One of these days, this inept ``writer`` will step up to mediocrity. Let`s hope that happens before old age and senility does both him and us a huge favor.
I agree with you. This is a very old joke and shows the totally insensitive and sophomoric nature of the author in torturing us with this nonsense of an ``anecdote.`` I request Chowk Staff to send such amateur writer wannabees to some free ESL classes. One of these days, this inept ``writer`` will step up to mediocrity. Let`s hope that happens before old age and senility does both him and us a huge favor.
#5 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 8:20:11 am
Can an evil person never become good?
Is there no such thing as sincere contrition?
Is there no forgiveness in Islam? Is it just Christianity that forgives?
Can a bad poet ever learn to rhyme?
Can a boring writer ever generate interest?
Is the bear Catholic?
Does the pope defecate in the woods?
Is there no such thing as sincere contrition?
Is there no forgiveness in Islam? Is it just Christianity that forgives?
Can a bad poet ever learn to rhyme?
Can a boring writer ever generate interest?
Is the bear Catholic?
Does the pope defecate in the woods?
#6 Posted by Romair on August 29, 2005 8:30:09 am
``Jamil had come to the US as a teenager and had graduated in atmospheric sciences from University of Colorado at Fort Collins.``
University of Colorado is in Boulder, Colorado. Colorado State University (a completely different university) is in Fort Collins, Colorado...........
Maybe this is what Jamil`s problem was and this is why he ended up in trouble: he already had majored in an odd field, and on top of this, he did not even know which university he had attended, and where it was located.........No wonder he is being interrogated.......
University of Colorado is in Boulder, Colorado. Colorado State University (a completely different university) is in Fort Collins, Colorado...........
Maybe this is what Jamil`s problem was and this is why he ended up in trouble: he already had majored in an odd field, and on top of this, he did not even know which university he had attended, and where it was located.........No wonder he is being interrogated.......
#7 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 8:51:40 am
#6, {``University of Colorado is in Boulder, Colorado. Colorado State University (a completely different university) is in Fort Collins, Colorado........... ``}
Romair,
My friend, you too have caught this compulsive and habitual forked tongue devil. Imagine, he can`t get his facts straight about well-known educational institutions. And this highly uninformed and usually erroneous person pontificates so much about ``CREDIBILITY?``
What a farce?
Salim
Romair,
My friend, you too have caught this compulsive and habitual forked tongue devil. Imagine, he can`t get his facts straight about well-known educational institutions. And this highly uninformed and usually erroneous person pontificates so much about ``CREDIBILITY?``
What a farce?
Salim
#8 Posted by haideri on August 29, 2005 9:20:31 am
CSU Fort Collins was the first school I attended in the US. Still remember it like yesterday.
haideri
haideri
#9 Posted by kaurasach on August 29, 2005 9:25:05 am
This happened to a relative.... who is an exporter ... was visiting USA .... started chatting to someone from Venezuela.... while playing on his laptop.... they took him in to undisclosed location and questioned him for 24 hours..... telling him that he is OBL.... now he laughs about it .... and jokes that US officials give him special treatment when ever he frequents here on business.
#10 Posted by kaurasach on August 29, 2005 9:29:57 am
There used to be ``nothing`` between Denver and Ft. Collins. Now Loveland and Lafayette including Ft. Collins have mushroomed. There are IT companies form N metro Denver to Ft. Collins - now even Indian restaurants.
Boulder is one of the best towns in the US if not the best.
Once I was looking for a newly opened Indian grocery store in the area. Couldn`t locate it. Then I spotted brightly colored saris and dhotis with chequered kurtas....and face and hair gleaming with coconut oil.. i knew i was in the vicinity .. and found the store.
Boulder is one of the best towns in the US if not the best.
Once I was looking for a newly opened Indian grocery store in the area. Couldn`t locate it. Then I spotted brightly colored saris and dhotis with chequered kurtas....and face and hair gleaming with coconut oil.. i knew i was in the vicinity .. and found the store.
#11 Posted by hamidm2 on August 29, 2005 9:36:35 am
Re: # 7
salim mian,
..... i think you are being unnecessarily critical about something trivial ........ the location of the college has no bearing on the substance of the story - after all how many people know or care where csu is - the bigger problem is that the story has no substance at all, and is rather trivial ............ for that, you have my permission to beat temporal bloody and add him to the list of candidates for the next poet lynching ......... in keeping with our traditions we could even beat him on the head with a book until he goes blind ..........
salim mian,
..... i think you are being unnecessarily critical about something trivial ........ the location of the college has no bearing on the substance of the story - after all how many people know or care where csu is - the bigger problem is that the story has no substance at all, and is rather trivial ............ for that, you have my permission to beat temporal bloody and add him to the list of candidates for the next poet lynching ......... in keeping with our traditions we could even beat him on the head with a book until he goes blind ..........
#12 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 9:39:40 am
BeeJay & rozaiba:
thanks
this is a short-short story...610 words ... i did not want to take it further... just to highlight the paranoia of our times...
rgds
t
thanks
this is a short-short story...610 words ... i did not want to take it further... just to highlight the paranoia of our times...
rgds
t
#13 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 9:46:06 am
Romair:
yes i was careless...apologise
will ask chowk to fix this error in this piece of fiction
rgds
t
yes i was careless...apologise
will ask chowk to fix this error in this piece of fiction
rgds
t
#14 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 9:47:36 am
#11, Hamidm Sahib,
The issue is not one of his faux pas being trivial or mammoth. This gentleman, and I use the term very generously, is pontificating all over UP about my ``lack of credibility.`` Of course, my rebuttals, all extremely polite and rational, are being erased by his personal Chaprasi named Chowk Staff.
This inept poet and even worse ``author`` has a record of posting/publishing/accusing nonsense without first checking his facts, as was observed on the ``Road to Perditin`` board. The SNAFU concerning locations of high-altitude institutions of higher learning is just another example of this man`s aversion to truth. This poet, who couldn`t rhyme if only one word existed in every lanugage, has to fib about the most innocent of facts. I say we lynch him now then hit him with a book - may I suggest the complete version of ``War and Peace`` in that extra-fancy hard cover?:) No need to blind him, he is effectively lacking vision anyway. :)
Salim
The issue is not one of his faux pas being trivial or mammoth. This gentleman, and I use the term very generously, is pontificating all over UP about my ``lack of credibility.`` Of course, my rebuttals, all extremely polite and rational, are being erased by his personal Chaprasi named Chowk Staff.
This inept poet and even worse ``author`` has a record of posting/publishing/accusing nonsense without first checking his facts, as was observed on the ``Road to Perditin`` board. The SNAFU concerning locations of high-altitude institutions of higher learning is just another example of this man`s aversion to truth. This poet, who couldn`t rhyme if only one word existed in every lanugage, has to fib about the most innocent of facts. I say we lynch him now then hit him with a book - may I suggest the complete version of ``War and Peace`` in that extra-fancy hard cover?:) No need to blind him, he is effectively lacking vision anyway. :)
Salim
#15 Posted by Romair on August 29, 2005 9:49:11 am
kaurasach/haideri #9: ``Boulder is one of the best towns in the US if not the best.``
Yes. definitely. I have not seen a prettier city, nor a prettier campus, anywhere.......Initially made famous by the sitcom called, ``Mork and Mindy``........
hamidm mian #7: ``..... i think you are being unnecessarily critical about something trivial ........ the location of the college has no bearing on the substance of the story``
Perhpas it does. Maybe the interrogators asked him where he went to college. He replied that he went to Univ. of Colorado. Then they asked him, where it is located. He said Fort Collins. At which point they got suspicious........
We will have to wait for part 2 to find out. Actually, I hope we never find out.......
Yes. definitely. I have not seen a prettier city, nor a prettier campus, anywhere.......Initially made famous by the sitcom called, ``Mork and Mindy``........
hamidm mian #7: ``..... i think you are being unnecessarily critical about something trivial ........ the location of the college has no bearing on the substance of the story``
Perhpas it does. Maybe the interrogators asked him where he went to college. He replied that he went to Univ. of Colorado. Then they asked him, where it is located. He said Fort Collins. At which point they got suspicious........
We will have to wait for part 2 to find out. Actually, I hope we never find out.......
#16 Posted by kaurasach on August 29, 2005 9:54:52 am
15,
This year the tulips and flowers in spring just beautiful on Pearl Street Mall.
The same relative who I mentioned below visited us, he had been in Germany on the way. He was genuinely impressed by the ambience and street scene and the flowers, and the buskars....he said Boulder is better than Germany`s heritage places.
This year the tulips and flowers in spring just beautiful on Pearl Street Mall.
The same relative who I mentioned below visited us, he had been in Germany on the way. He was genuinely impressed by the ambience and street scene and the flowers, and the buskars....he said Boulder is better than Germany`s heritage places.
#17 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 9:54:57 am
Romair #15, {``We will have to wait for part 2 to find out. Actually, I hope we never find out....... ``}
Romair,
Buddy, thanks for quickly negating the Part 2 ``death wish.`` There are certain theorems that we should all live by:
You don`t tug on Superman`s cape,
You don`t pull the mask off the Ol Lone Ranger.
And you don`t hope for Part 2 from the Incredible Imposter. :)
Thanks,
Salim
Romair,
Buddy, thanks for quickly negating the Part 2 ``death wish.`` There are certain theorems that we should all live by:
You don`t tug on Superman`s cape,
You don`t pull the mask off the Ol Lone Ranger.
And you don`t hope for Part 2 from the Incredible Imposter. :)
Thanks,
Salim
#18 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 10:10:24 am
#16, {``you are wicked !``}
Hamidm Sahib,
Salim ko isliye mara ke jeena jaanta tha woh
Apne dushmanoN ka khun pina janta tha woh
Yeh basti, uff! yeh basti jisko Chowkistan kehte heN
JahaN ban ban ke hakim ``liberal`` haiwaan rehte heN
JahaN ka jailkhaana mujahidoN se bharta jata he
JahaN par parchame jhoot-o-faraib sansanata he
Yeh basti, uff yeh basti jisko Chowkistan kehte heN
Hamidm Sahib,
Salim ko isliye mara ke jeena jaanta tha woh
Apne dushmanoN ka khun pina janta tha woh
Yeh basti, uff! yeh basti jisko Chowkistan kehte heN
JahaN ban ban ke hakim ``liberal`` haiwaan rehte heN
JahaN ka jailkhaana mujahidoN se bharta jata he
JahaN par parchame jhoot-o-faraib sansanata he
Yeh basti, uff yeh basti jisko Chowkistan kehte heN
#19 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 10:14:50 am
#11, Now we can lynch the notorious Faraibi. :)
Salim
Salim
#20 Posted by Soulat on August 29, 2005 10:32:09 am
I don`t know why people are so critical of this important literary piece. This has to be the best short short stroy i have ever read on this site. (this site has really high standards or why would I visit this place every day now-or may be it is my desire to read some junk...)
People need to look beyond boulder and fort collins to really appreciate this story. First boulder is not the most beautiful town of the US. it is probably one of the better town but our people have a habit of putting everything on the moon. (or moon them...take your pick)
What I find interesting is that Jamil was not able to say hi(``Jamil had uttered `Hi` to his friend Jack, the ever lurking air marshals nabbed him`` ) but he said it in the paragraph above(`Hi Jack,` he said) so which statement is correct? And what about that “ever lurking” air marshal? I did not know that they lurk so blatantly…
My purpose here is not to highlight some errors like other people are doing but I am trying to write a ``tanqeed`` which should be as good as the short short story itself. (I think I am succeeding!)
If people find my critique below par then a case can be made that the story is below par too as my tanqeed and the story have about the equal literary merits.
So please refrain from looking at the story on other than the literary merits….
PS. If you can read the story twice, you will pass the literary class in any NYC university…
Thanks folks…
#21 Posted by arjun_m on August 29, 2005 10:40:35 am
#10 by kaurasach on August 29, 2005 9:29am PT
Boulder is one of the best towns in the US if not the best.
Beautiful view of the rockies....
The air marshalls are a joke....they couldn`t find their own dicks if they had the GPS co-ordinates....If you`ve ever flown into Reagan national airport, you`ll know exactly what i`m talking about....
For people who`re not US citizens, carry a color copy of your green card with you at all times...if these morons can`t bust you for anything else, they`ll hassle you about that...
Boulder is one of the best towns in the US if not the best.
Beautiful view of the rockies....
The air marshalls are a joke....they couldn`t find their own dicks if they had the GPS co-ordinates....If you`ve ever flown into Reagan national airport, you`ll know exactly what i`m talking about....
For people who`re not US citizens, carry a color copy of your green card with you at all times...if these morons can`t bust you for anything else, they`ll hassle you about that...
#22 Posted by haideri on August 29, 2005 10:42:57 am
Kauray,
Most of the Desiz living in Boulder were Napliz when I was there visiting my friends int he early 90z. Is this still the case?
hiader
Most of the Desiz living in Boulder were Napliz when I was there visiting my friends int he early 90z. Is this still the case?
hiader
#23 Posted by kaurasach on August 29, 2005 11:03:03 am
Not anymore. Sikhs (residents and citizens) have moved in large numbers from west and east coasts. South Indians (work visa) for IT work now outnumber N Indians (mainly sikhs who are mostly business owners).
I live in a suburb that hardly had any Indian 5 yrs back. Two days back I was biking around a lake. Every bench, and tennis court was hoarded by an Indian. Yesterday these buxom ``lalis`` were playing frisbee in Sari and Ghagra with their spindly legged men in bright attire. I fell off the bike laughing.
Nepalese are few - mostly work in sikh owned restaurants. They have tried to run their own - failed miserably. The only success story is this Nepali guy - whose name escapes me - he owns several business in Boulder including a program to take students over to Nepal. they also own that `Budha` shops.
Metro Denver has changed a LOT in the last decade - u wont recognize the growth. Thankflly, Boulder has put an end to its growth - so the charm is preserved. - most growth is in satellite towns around boulder
I live in a suburb that hardly had any Indian 5 yrs back. Two days back I was biking around a lake. Every bench, and tennis court was hoarded by an Indian. Yesterday these buxom ``lalis`` were playing frisbee in Sari and Ghagra with their spindly legged men in bright attire. I fell off the bike laughing.
Nepalese are few - mostly work in sikh owned restaurants. They have tried to run their own - failed miserably. The only success story is this Nepali guy - whose name escapes me - he owns several business in Boulder including a program to take students over to Nepal. they also own that `Budha` shops.
Metro Denver has changed a LOT in the last decade - u wont recognize the growth. Thankflly, Boulder has put an end to its growth - so the charm is preserved. - most growth is in satellite towns around boulder
#24 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 11:07:18 am
Mr. Soulat #20, {``If people find my critique below par then a case can be made that the story is below par too``}
Dear Rear Admiral Soulat, :)
You have succeeded beyond all expectations. I found your ``tanqeed`` to be far more interesting and certainly more entertaining and humorouos than the ``story`` itself. You have pointed out two more incredible instances of lack of both substance and truth. A curtailed ``Hi`` and an elongated ``Hi, Jack`` are indeed two very different utterances. In fact, the latter was presumably the ``HA! HA!`` punch-line of the joke. Had this been an effort of a Slovenian slob giving us his version of his native village`s humor, we could always blame it on translation. Unfortunately, in this case, the story (or lack of it!) would be even more painful in Urdu. Perhaps, if someone dared to narrate this one in Punjabi, which makes almost anything sound funnier, we could salvage some humor and prevent the public stoning of the fraudulent writer. :)
I apologize for cutting too much slack for this errant ex-poet.
Salim
Dear Rear Admiral Soulat, :)
You have succeeded beyond all expectations. I found your ``tanqeed`` to be far more interesting and certainly more entertaining and humorouos than the ``story`` itself. You have pointed out two more incredible instances of lack of both substance and truth. A curtailed ``Hi`` and an elongated ``Hi, Jack`` are indeed two very different utterances. In fact, the latter was presumably the ``HA! HA!`` punch-line of the joke. Had this been an effort of a Slovenian slob giving us his version of his native village`s humor, we could always blame it on translation. Unfortunately, in this case, the story (or lack of it!) would be even more painful in Urdu. Perhaps, if someone dared to narrate this one in Punjabi, which makes almost anything sound funnier, we could salvage some humor and prevent the public stoning of the fraudulent writer. :)
I apologize for cutting too much slack for this errant ex-poet.
Salim
#25 Posted by Godot on August 29, 2005 11:16:20 am
Re: # 11
“bigger problem is that the story has no substance at all, and is rather trivial”
That’s a very generous critique of a story which is without a sur or a paiyr, not to mention the misplaced non-fiction location (you figured the one who advices others to google...and is usually the first one to cast a stone...yes, yes, we know, he’s without a sin...would have at least gotten his facts right before submitting it for publication)...and the scene of interrogation...let me first stop laughing...okay...I can’t...hehehehe...
Calling this story mediocre writing is like calling Saudi Arabia an enlightened country...yes, I know, Saudi Arabia is an enlightened country to some people!
What was that? Oh, yeah...
--gender equivalent: your fly is open
--aasaan urdu: aapkay matkay main paani nahiN hay
--shaeri main: aaNkh jo kuch daikhti hay lab pay aa sakhta nahiN
--classical: the emperor has no clothes...
“bigger problem is that the story has no substance at all, and is rather trivial”
That’s a very generous critique of a story which is without a sur or a paiyr, not to mention the misplaced non-fiction location (you figured the one who advices others to google...and is usually the first one to cast a stone...yes, yes, we know, he’s without a sin...would have at least gotten his facts right before submitting it for publication)...and the scene of interrogation...let me first stop laughing...okay...I can’t...hehehehe...
Calling this story mediocre writing is like calling Saudi Arabia an enlightened country...yes, I know, Saudi Arabia is an enlightened country to some people!
What was that? Oh, yeah...
--gender equivalent: your fly is open
--aasaan urdu: aapkay matkay main paani nahiN hay
--shaeri main: aaNkh jo kuch daikhti hay lab pay aa sakhta nahiN
--classical: the emperor has no clothes...
#26 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 11:29:29 am
#13, {``#13 by temporal on August 29, 2005 9:46am PT
Romair:
yes i was careless...apologise
will ask chowk to fix this error in this piece of fiction``}
Folks,
Please notice the very defensive attempt at contrition. He uses the word ``careless,`` as in ``Oh, I tripped on my untied shoelaces! How careless of me!`` What utter lack of accountability! Anyone who doesn`t know beans about Ft. Collins and Boulder, or for that matter the names of renowned institutions of learning, and yet feels compelled, for no other reason than to be boring and obnoxious, to fabricate a fictional flop, must be put out of his misery.
He goes on to state that he will ``ask chowk to fix this error.`` Once again, this spineless and fraudulent ``writer`` is looking to Chowk Momma to tip the balance in his favor. Unable to debate, relying on one-sided censorship to succeed, this pusillanimous pundit of perfidy, wants Chowk Staff to ``fix the error`` or rather ``erase the hard evidence of his incomparable incompetence.``
I say revoke his poetic and prose licenses, BOTH of `em!
Salim
Romair:
yes i was careless...apologise
will ask chowk to fix this error in this piece of fiction``}
Folks,
Please notice the very defensive attempt at contrition. He uses the word ``careless,`` as in ``Oh, I tripped on my untied shoelaces! How careless of me!`` What utter lack of accountability! Anyone who doesn`t know beans about Ft. Collins and Boulder, or for that matter the names of renowned institutions of learning, and yet feels compelled, for no other reason than to be boring and obnoxious, to fabricate a fictional flop, must be put out of his misery.
He goes on to state that he will ``ask chowk to fix this error.`` Once again, this spineless and fraudulent ``writer`` is looking to Chowk Momma to tip the balance in his favor. Unable to debate, relying on one-sided censorship to succeed, this pusillanimous pundit of perfidy, wants Chowk Staff to ``fix the error`` or rather ``erase the hard evidence of his incomparable incompetence.``
I say revoke his poetic and prose licenses, BOTH of `em!
Salim
#27 Posted by Soulat on August 29, 2005 11:36:05 am
#24 by mannu404
Since it’s Mary Poppins’ Day today, all I can say about your post is: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!
Why are you hogging this board and making this story seem like an extremely likeable destination. Cut the writer some slack, after all, it is his first attempt like mine at tanqeed.
#28 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 11:37:30 am
#25, Godot, {``and is usually the first one to cast a stone...yes, yes, we know, he’s without a sin...would have at least gotten his facts right before submitting it for publication)...``}
My friend, let me give you muchos kudos for calling a spade a spade, even though you could have termed it a f***ing shovel. Very polite and humane of you, dost.
Now in concert with your line of phrases that may fit the self-sanctimonious ``I can`t do no wrong`` writer:
His elevator doesn`t go all the way up.
He has not been playing with a full deck for a long long time.
Do as he says, don`t do as he does.
Salim
My friend, let me give you muchos kudos for calling a spade a spade, even though you could have termed it a f***ing shovel. Very polite and humane of you, dost.
Now in concert with your line of phrases that may fit the self-sanctimonious ``I can`t do no wrong`` writer:
His elevator doesn`t go all the way up.
He has not been playing with a full deck for a long long time.
Do as he says, don`t do as he does.
Salim
#29 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 11:52:53 am
Mr. Soulat #27, {``Since it’s Mary Poppins’ Day today, all I can say about your post is: Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!
Why are you hogging this board and making this story seem like an extremely likeable destination. Cut the writer some slack, after all, it is his first attempt like mine at tanqeed. ``}
OK, OK, just for you Admiral. :) I, too, believe in due process.
So, first we try him, then we hang him. :)
Salim
Why are you hogging this board and making this story seem like an extremely likeable destination. Cut the writer some slack, after all, it is his first attempt like mine at tanqeed. ``}
OK, OK, just for you Admiral. :) I, too, believe in due process.
So, first we try him, then we hang him. :)
Salim
#30 Posted by Godot on August 29, 2005 12:03:16 pm
Re: # 28
Salim
Add to the list...this “whirling Darwesh” is:
--Holier than thou
--Rides a high horse
--Deep as a bathtub
--Profound as Larry, Curly, and Moe combined
Salim
Add to the list...this “whirling Darwesh” is:
--Holier than thou
--Rides a high horse
--Deep as a bathtub
--Profound as Larry, Curly, and Moe combined
#31 Posted by Romair on August 29, 2005 12:24:23 pm
temporal # I don`t mean to rub it in, but I think you may have done yourself irrepairable damage, through this story. It falls under the category of, ``It is better to keep quiet and have people think one is stupid, then to open one`s mouth and remove all doubt.``
The one or two girls that dared to date me in college may not have been Angelina Jolies, but I can recognize a babe if I see her in a magazine. Similarly, while I cannot write, I can read. The above two factoids are true for all desis on this site.......
So you may have permanently destroyed your career as the resident Chowk literary critic.
A piece of advice that has worked well for me (and for you): stick with poetry. Nobody knows what the hell is good or bad poetry. Hence it is very difficult to critique. Even if it is terrible, half the readers will appreciate it; either because they cannot understand it. Or because they want to appear to be literally intellectual. You will get quite a few, ``flowing, yet subtle``s, ``timid but romantically tasteful``s, ``colorful and gorgeously intimate``s, i.e. the reader had no clue about what they read, but wanted to act like they did.
Prose is far too straightforward for such round-about critiques. It is too easy to pick bad prose........
P.S. commas; always use commas, within sentences.......at least that is what the drill sargent told us when we used to line-up for morning parades.......
The one or two girls that dared to date me in college may not have been Angelina Jolies, but I can recognize a babe if I see her in a magazine. Similarly, while I cannot write, I can read. The above two factoids are true for all desis on this site.......
So you may have permanently destroyed your career as the resident Chowk literary critic.
A piece of advice that has worked well for me (and for you): stick with poetry. Nobody knows what the hell is good or bad poetry. Hence it is very difficult to critique. Even if it is terrible, half the readers will appreciate it; either because they cannot understand it. Or because they want to appear to be literally intellectual. You will get quite a few, ``flowing, yet subtle``s, ``timid but romantically tasteful``s, ``colorful and gorgeously intimate``s, i.e. the reader had no clue about what they read, but wanted to act like they did.
Prose is far too straightforward for such round-about critiques. It is too easy to pick bad prose........
P.S. commas; always use commas, within sentences.......at least that is what the drill sargent told us when we used to line-up for morning parades.......
#32 Posted by Godot on August 29, 2005 12:55:58 pm
Re: # 31
Romair
``you may have done yourself irrepairable damage, through this story.``
For a few of those who became aware of the facade from earlier observations and encounters, the damage was already done. It was only a matter of time before the house of cards fell displaying to public its non-foundation and shallowness.
Romair
``you may have done yourself irrepairable damage, through this story.``
For a few of those who became aware of the facade from earlier observations and encounters, the damage was already done. It was only a matter of time before the house of cards fell displaying to public its non-foundation and shallowness.
#33 Posted by ana on August 29, 2005 12:59:37 pm
some folks are having themselves quite a time here.
what is a dish best served cold?! :)
what is a dish best served cold?! :)
#34 Posted by miriamk on August 29, 2005 1:02:49 pm
i guess someone declared open season on this board and forgot to tell the rest of us. i suppose this means that i too can bring up any and all personal gripes i have with the writer (and i have a few). except, i’m not a 12-yr old girl.
#35 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 1:09:26 pm
#31, Romair, {``temporal # I don`t mean to rub it in, but I think you may have done yourself irrepairable damage, through this story. It falls under the category of, ``It is better to keep quiet and have people think one is stupid, then to open one`s mouth and remove all doubt.`` ...So you may have permanently destroyed your career as the resident Chowk literary critic. ...A piece of advice that has worked well for me (and for you): stick with poetry. Nobody knows what the hell is good or bad poetry. Hence it is very difficult to critique.``}
Romair,
That was superb. I acknowledge your very effective approach in giving sound advice. I should learn from you. You provide the perfect blend of compassion, sincerity, logic, and useful directions. If I am ever allowed to write on FP, I will make sure to run my material by you first. :)
Salim
Romair,
That was superb. I acknowledge your very effective approach in giving sound advice. I should learn from you. You provide the perfect blend of compassion, sincerity, logic, and useful directions. If I am ever allowed to write on FP, I will make sure to run my material by you first. :)
Salim
#36 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 1:14:42 pm
Godot #30,
Let`s continue augmenting that list of yours. :)
He can dish it out but the reverse isn`t true.
It`s a lot better to give than to recieve is his motto.
She sang: ``I`ll love you baby, until the poets run out of rhymes.`` Guess what, it has happened! :)
Salim
Let`s continue augmenting that list of yours. :)
He can dish it out but the reverse isn`t true.
It`s a lot better to give than to recieve is his motto.
She sang: ``I`ll love you baby, until the poets run out of rhymes.`` Guess what, it has happened! :)
Salim
#37 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 1:16:52 pm
#32, godot, {``For a few of those who became aware of the facade from earlier observations and encounters, the damage was already done. It was only a matter of time before the house of cards fell displaying to public its non-foundation and shallowness.``}
GODot,
Can we look forward to a voluntary change in nics? Aztaghfirullah, tauba tauba! :)
Salim
GODot,
Can we look forward to a voluntary change in nics? Aztaghfirullah, tauba tauba! :)
Salim
#38 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 1:21:19 pm
romair:
nah...you cannot rub what has always been denied by me:)
this is a work of fiction ... a short short story... it makes a point...each reader will read this their way... thanks for yor comments
rgds
t
ps: as for the pavlovian rat who goes in a tizzy each time i mention credibility... fate;)
nah...you cannot rub what has always been denied by me:)
this is a work of fiction ... a short short story... it makes a point...each reader will read this their way... thanks for yor comments
rgds
t
ps: as for the pavlovian rat who goes in a tizzy each time i mention credibility... fate;)
#39 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 1:24:54 pm
#38, {``this is a work of fiction ... a short short story... ``}
Thank GOD! That was the ONLY good thing about it. It was short, but not short enough.
You show far more imagination, style, and literary strength with ``thank you arjun.`` :)
Salim
Thank GOD! That was the ONLY good thing about it. It was short, but not short enough.
You show far more imagination, style, and literary strength with ``thank you arjun.`` :)
Salim
#40 Posted by Ranger on August 29, 2005 1:30:45 pm
hahahaha....salim aur godot ne temporal ki ley li :()
#41 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 1:37:36 pm
#38, {``ps: as for the pavlovian rat who goes in a tizzy each time i mention credibility... fate;) ``}
Mr. Temporal,
Always do your research before engaging mouth and inserting foot in that cavity.
IQRA!
DELAY EYELID CONDITIONING IN RAT: TIME DEPENDENT PROPERTIES.
N.M. Taylor, M.D. Mauk*. Department of Neurobiology and Anatomy,
University of Texas Medical School at Houston, Houston, TX 77030.
(as presented at the 1999 Society for Neuroscience Meeting, Miami Beach, Florida)
Data suggest that Pavlovian eyelid conditioning in rat can be a useful and comparable preparation to the established work on the inability of certain humans to present facts without resorting to fabrication and slander. :)
Haven`t you had enough schooling for one day? :)
Salim
Mr. Temporal,
Always do your research before engaging mouth and inserting foot in that cavity.
IQRA!
DELAY EYELID CONDITIONING IN RAT: TIME DEPENDENT PROPERTIES.
N.M. Taylor, M.D. Mauk*. Department of Neurobiology and Anatomy,
University of Texas Medical School at Houston, Houston, TX 77030.
(as presented at the 1999 Society for Neuroscience Meeting, Miami Beach, Florida)
Data suggest that Pavlovian eyelid conditioning in rat can be a useful and comparable preparation to the established work on the inability of certain humans to present facts without resorting to fabrication and slander. :)
Haven`t you had enough schooling for one day? :)
Salim
#42 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 1:41:29 pm
Tempo Sir,
Because you aspire to be a poet despite what Mr. Hamidm2 Sahib says, here is something from Pope. No, not Benedict, sir, Alexander! You are just too hasty with knowledge and jumpt to conclusions with abandon.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
Drink deep or touch no the Pyerian Spring
Salim :)
Because you aspire to be a poet despite what Mr. Hamidm2 Sahib says, here is something from Pope. No, not Benedict, sir, Alexander! You are just too hasty with knowledge and jumpt to conclusions with abandon.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
Drink deep or touch no the Pyerian Spring
Salim :)
#44 Posted by Romair on August 29, 2005 1:52:02 pm
temp #38: ``each reader will read this their way......``
dil ko khusH rakHne ko `GHalib` ye khayaal achcha hai.............
I have this eerie feeling that eveyone is only going to read it one way...........
dil ko khusH rakHne ko `GHalib` ye khayaal achcha hai.............
I have this eerie feeling that eveyone is only going to read it one way...........
#45 Posted by Godot on August 29, 2005 2:01:17 pm
Re: #33 & #34
This is a boomerang. You reap what you sew. That’s why wise men think of the consequences twice before taking an action (note the emphasis on “wise.”)
This is a boomerang. You reap what you sew. That’s why wise men think of the consequences twice before taking an action (note the emphasis on “wise.”)
#46 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 2:04:30 pm
#45, godot, {``(note the emphasis on “wise.”)``}
But our ``wise`` man would have bolded ``wise`` - thus wasting toner and causing several video monitors to fade away. :)
Salim
But our ``wise`` man would have bolded ``wise`` - thus wasting toner and causing several video monitors to fade away. :)
Salim
#47 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 2:08:18 pm
Romair #44 {``dil ko khusH rakHne ko `GHalib` ye khayaal achcha hai.............
I have this eerie feeling that eveyone is only going to read it one way...........``}
Romair,
Dost, that was the unkindest cut of all. :)
Ek ``Shaaer`` ko aap shaeri se Dubo rahey heN. :)
The story may be so ``complex`` that it can be read in such diverse ways. The author, on the other hand, is much easier to read. :)
Salim
I have this eerie feeling that eveyone is only going to read it one way...........``}
Romair,
Dost, that was the unkindest cut of all. :)
Ek ``Shaaer`` ko aap shaeri se Dubo rahey heN. :)
The story may be so ``complex`` that it can be read in such diverse ways. The author, on the other hand, is much easier to read. :)
Salim
#48 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 2:11:08 pm
Never, in the history of Chowk, has one individual amused so many for so long with so little. :)
Salim
Salim
#49 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 2:35:26 pm
Soulat #29:
ok fun time;)
so janab tanqeed-nigar sahib says:
What I find interesting is that Jamil was not able to say hi(``Jamil had uttered `Hi` to his friend Jack, the ever lurking air marshals nabbed him`` ) but he said it in the paragraph above(`Hi Jack,` he said) so which statement is correct?
let us visit the sequence:
`Hi Jack,` he said.
Jack who had had a few martinis while waiting for the flight responded with a thick `Hi Jack,` as he struggled to unfasten his seat belt and get up from his seat. …
As soon as Jamil had uttered `Hi` to his friend Jack, the ever lurking air marshals nabbed him and before he could protest he and Jack were off-loaded and taken to the interrogation cell in the basement of terminal.
the sequence has been established…the correct utterances recorded for the reader earlier on… “hi jack” was spelled out fully thrice earlier on in the space of 89 words…hence my decision to reduce the second ‘hi’ in the last paragraph...
next: And what about that “ever lurking” air marshal? I did not know that they lurk so blatantly…
this is subjective…seasoned travelers can spot them hanging around the plane entrance eyeing the passengers as they enter the air craft
am not sure if this helps…ok back to being serious!
rgds,
t
ok fun time;)
so janab tanqeed-nigar sahib says:
What I find interesting is that Jamil was not able to say hi(``Jamil had uttered `Hi` to his friend Jack, the ever lurking air marshals nabbed him`` ) but he said it in the paragraph above(`Hi Jack,` he said) so which statement is correct?
let us visit the sequence:
`Hi Jack,` he said.
Jack who had had a few martinis while waiting for the flight responded with a thick `Hi Jack,` as he struggled to unfasten his seat belt and get up from his seat. …
As soon as Jamil had uttered `Hi` to his friend Jack, the ever lurking air marshals nabbed him and before he could protest he and Jack were off-loaded and taken to the interrogation cell in the basement of terminal.
the sequence has been established…the correct utterances recorded for the reader earlier on… “hi jack” was spelled out fully thrice earlier on in the space of 89 words…hence my decision to reduce the second ‘hi’ in the last paragraph...
next: And what about that “ever lurking” air marshal? I did not know that they lurk so blatantly…
this is subjective…seasoned travelers can spot them hanging around the plane entrance eyeing the passengers as they enter the air craft
am not sure if this helps…ok back to being serious!
rgds,
t
#50 Posted by Godot on August 29, 2005 2:49:00 pm
Re: # 48
Salim
``Never, in the history of Chowk, has one individual amused so many for so long with so little.``
And you say he does not have talent!!!
Salim
``Never, in the history of Chowk, has one individual amused so many for so long with so little.``
And you say he does not have talent!!!
#51 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 2:52:08 pm
Romair # 44:
ok fun time with you also...here are some angles being pursued here directly and indirectly…hijack is a metaphor for:
* how we are becoming so paranoid post 9/11
* recent london train bombing
* spain train bombing
* how the citizens are conditioned to view browns and beards with-suspicion by the government and the media in the west
* how this racial profiling affects children in the schools
* how all his leads to profile targeting and hate crimes
do you think this overt paranoia is harmful or helpful?
ok back to seriousness;)
rgds
t
ok fun time with you also...here are some angles being pursued here directly and indirectly…hijack is a metaphor for:
* how we are becoming so paranoid post 9/11
* recent london train bombing
* spain train bombing
* how the citizens are conditioned to view browns and beards with-suspicion by the government and the media in the west
* how this racial profiling affects children in the schools
* how all his leads to profile targeting and hate crimes
do you think this overt paranoia is harmful or helpful?
ok back to seriousness;)
rgds
t
#52 Posted by Soulat on August 29, 2005 3:30:05 pm
Monday is NOT my fun day...
On this idle day, I tried to become a tanqeed nigar, I took my first shot and here you come back at me and made me read it twice :)
Your explanation “Hi jack and Hi” may be quiet clear in your head but it has an ulqat in it.
I will buy your explanation reluctantly.
Well! I said you made me read this twice. So, now I deserve passing grades from some NYC university :)
On my second pass, I found a couple of more minor things…I am not a language teacher nor do I claim to write pristine English, however, as a writer you must have gone over this piece several time then how did you miss this:
You wrote “a groupie songwriter for a R&R band” Do you see the error here?
It should have been “an R&R band” a rock and roll band is correct but “a R&R” band is incorrect. You wrote this in MS word and MS word would have picked up this error for you with appropriate settings for grammar.
There is a strong influence of Urdu story writing on this piece. Some sentences appear to have come right out of some auratoon ka afsana type magazine.
Read this:
“Shaista gently pulled at Jamil. Getting up in the morning was an ordeal for him.”
“He recognized his University friend Jack who was returning back from a gig in Montreal.”
“Over the years he maintained a tentative link with both Jerome and Jack. In the spring of `98 Jerome was killed in a motorcycle accident. At Jerome`s funeral he met Jack last.”
There are better ways to write these and some other statements.
Someone has already pointed out at the use of commas.
You sure do have talent and will do better next time around….. :)
So, am I now a confirmed tanqeed nigar?
#53 Posted by AlephNull on August 29, 2005 3:36:14 pm
mannu404 #42, #43: “... Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring, ...”
#54 Posted by hamidm2 on August 29, 2005 3:48:33 pm
....cichlids are definitely more interesting than humans on chowk ........ yesterday the zebra was chasing the blue peacock around the tank, today they seem to be getting along just fine and are ganging up on this poor yellow thing .............
#55 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 3:53:36 pm
Soulat #52:
It should have been “an R&R band” a rock and roll band is correct but “a R&R” band is incorrect.
...i read the expanded version when i see...but i will concede you this point!
...your other comments are subjective...
i do look forward to seeing your contributions here when perhaps we can engage in similar dialogues…the pleasure will be all mine;)
as for your tanqeed nigari .... if you have seen mel brook`s ``a history of world part i`` then do you recall the opening scenes as the credits are rolling?...
rgds
t
It should have been “an R&R band” a rock and roll band is correct but “a R&R” band is incorrect.
...i read the expanded version when i see...but i will concede you this point!
...your other comments are subjective...
i do look forward to seeing your contributions here when perhaps we can engage in similar dialogues…the pleasure will be all mine;)
as for your tanqeed nigari .... if you have seen mel brook`s ``a history of world part i`` then do you recall the opening scenes as the credits are rolling?...
rgds
t
#56 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 3:57:33 pm
hamidm:
add a plecostomous too to the tank ... they keep the tank clean
and do show up here tomorrow morning when i will once again drop the c word and we will immediately witnessed frenzied whirling ;)
rgds
t
add a plecostomous too to the tank ... they keep the tank clean
and do show up here tomorrow morning when i will once again drop the c word and we will immediately witnessed frenzied whirling ;)
rgds
t
#57 Posted by mannu404 on August 29, 2005 4:26:34 pm
Godot #48 {``Salim,
``Never, in the history of Chowk, has one individual amused so many for so long with so little.``
And you say he does not have talent!!! ``}
My friend Godot,
I fully agree. Our novice ``writer`` shows great promise.
Folks,
After his resounding success with the ``Hi Jack`` anecdote, our budding ``writer`` is embarking on several dazzling sequels - all involving clever twists on common, everyday greetings. Please be on the lookout for:
Hi there!
Hi men!
Al Half Is!
Hell O Mushy!
Let us continue to encourage him. After all senility is not to be confused with lack of credibility. Our Holy Prophet (PBUH) admonished that we should not speak ill of the dead. Can we do any less for those with one foot in the grave? :)
Salim
``Never, in the history of Chowk, has one individual amused so many for so long with so little.``
And you say he does not have talent!!! ``}
My friend Godot,
I fully agree. Our novice ``writer`` shows great promise.
Folks,
After his resounding success with the ``Hi Jack`` anecdote, our budding ``writer`` is embarking on several dazzling sequels - all involving clever twists on common, everyday greetings. Please be on the lookout for:
Hi there!
Hi men!
Al Half Is!
Hell O Mushy!
Let us continue to encourage him. After all senility is not to be confused with lack of credibility. Our Holy Prophet (PBUH) admonished that we should not speak ill of the dead. Can we do any less for those with one foot in the grave? :)
Salim
#58 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 5:19:03 pm
hamdim bro
what is 4.26 pm PT in istanbul time?
and be here tomorrow morning when we will witness the c dance again
cheers
what is 4.26 pm PT in istanbul time?
and be here tomorrow morning when we will witness the c dance again
cheers
#59 Posted by Saminasha on August 29, 2005 6:26:42 pm
Tbhai,
These are good passages. Understated and carried by subtle action. Both Jamil and Jack seem entirely believable and have the potential to deepen into three dimensional characters-when you develop this into a full length short story, hint, hint! I`d go with what seems to be an instinctive restraint present here-this is highly dramatic in terms of what your readers will bring to the piece-so your underplaying is skillful and ambiguous. This is EXACTLY the opposite of the melodrama that passes for writing-kudos!
As a side note, having seen some of the usual escapees from the psycho ward post here, I`m beg. to wonder how long chowk will tolerate this kind of stupidity from interactors who not only exploit the resources of chowk, but attempt to abuse its respected contributing writers as well.
These are good passages. Understated and carried by subtle action. Both Jamil and Jack seem entirely believable and have the potential to deepen into three dimensional characters-when you develop this into a full length short story, hint, hint! I`d go with what seems to be an instinctive restraint present here-this is highly dramatic in terms of what your readers will bring to the piece-so your underplaying is skillful and ambiguous. This is EXACTLY the opposite of the melodrama that passes for writing-kudos!
As a side note, having seen some of the usual escapees from the psycho ward post here, I`m beg. to wonder how long chowk will tolerate this kind of stupidity from interactors who not only exploit the resources of chowk, but attempt to abuse its respected contributing writers as well.
#60 Posted by Godot on August 29, 2005 6:52:51 pm
Re: # 54
``this poor yellow thing``
Well put. This poor yellow little thing.
``this poor yellow thing``
Well put. This poor yellow little thing.
#61 Posted by Romair on August 29, 2005 7:06:38 pm
temporal #: It`s not good to beat up a good man, when he is down (not to mention, when everyone else is beating up on him). Even if he deserves it, based on this piece.........
But it`s been a long day, and one needs entertainment..........So here is another verse that applies, in this case:
kuj ujj vee rahwaan aukhiyan san
kuj gal vich vang da tauk vee see
kuj shahr day louk vee zalim sann
kuj mainun maran da shauk vee see
The cityfolk, have no doubt been cruel to you. But it truly seems like you had a deathwish...............
But it`s been a long day, and one needs entertainment..........So here is another verse that applies, in this case:
kuj ujj vee rahwaan aukhiyan san
kuj gal vich vang da tauk vee see
kuj shahr day louk vee zalim sann
kuj mainun maran da shauk vee see
The cityfolk, have no doubt been cruel to you. But it truly seems like you had a deathwish...............
#62 Posted by trmntr_x on August 29, 2005 7:07:47 pm
Dehk Tempura Sahib,
I am thinking this piece is like your name, lightly battered and fried vegetables. Theek hain, you have your pachinko bread crumbs vaisey jab rolling the gajjar, kukumber, mouli in the stuff doesnt bury the natural, healthy elements of the sabzi. Even though this sounds like a very Hindu kahani, I am thinking, maybe you are trying to say sometimes a chukunder looks like a lal mirch after its been deep fried. Abey, who is to tell? Fatso Bibi wont let me oil my own french fry because now she is on diet. For my own health, not for your leech lechur saalay dostay, she says wagging her tofu woefu at me. I dont know, but already eating all those good for nothing sabzi, she is becoming very taiz, like those hindus who are taking over the world...
But this Jack character reminds me very much of the bum jawaan that come into my store-oof, bijniz...angrezi keh bachay never amount to much, just drugging, shugging, mugging. This Jack yaar, this is what poor Jamil has for launday? Why is not Jamil enrolled in Islamic Sunday to Monday school where the good sisters and brothers will put out of his bhang head these ideas of hippydippy? Jamil, he is nice boy and Jack tho sharaabi lughtha hain, vaisey becharay Jamil ka khushamath is certainly! Please put in a car chase or scene with blood where Jamil finds true izzat and Allah, thank you very much!
I am thinking this piece is like your name, lightly battered and fried vegetables. Theek hain, you have your pachinko bread crumbs vaisey jab rolling the gajjar, kukumber, mouli in the stuff doesnt bury the natural, healthy elements of the sabzi. Even though this sounds like a very Hindu kahani, I am thinking, maybe you are trying to say sometimes a chukunder looks like a lal mirch after its been deep fried. Abey, who is to tell? Fatso Bibi wont let me oil my own french fry because now she is on diet. For my own health, not for your leech lechur saalay dostay, she says wagging her tofu woefu at me. I dont know, but already eating all those good for nothing sabzi, she is becoming very taiz, like those hindus who are taking over the world...
But this Jack character reminds me very much of the bum jawaan that come into my store-oof, bijniz...angrezi keh bachay never amount to much, just drugging, shugging, mugging. This Jack yaar, this is what poor Jamil has for launday? Why is not Jamil enrolled in Islamic Sunday to Monday school where the good sisters and brothers will put out of his bhang head these ideas of hippydippy? Jamil, he is nice boy and Jack tho sharaabi lughtha hain, vaisey becharay Jamil ka khushamath is certainly! Please put in a car chase or scene with blood where Jamil finds true izzat and Allah, thank you very much!
#63 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 7:14:38 pm
Romair #61:
either you underestimate your abilities
or mine
:)
did i ask you a question?
either you underestimate your abilities
or mine
:)
did i ask you a question?
#64 Posted by temporal on August 29, 2005 7:29:35 pm
godot #25:
i had forgoten about this....many thanks for the trip down dec 2003…i stand by what i wrote you then…particularly these passages:
…i am too secure in the knowledge of what i can do and (more importantly) what i cannot do to let petty insults get in the way…
…if you feel hurt, search for the truth….if you still feel violated, ignore these ramblings and move on…life is too short to carry grudges to grave…just ignore me and move on…i will gladly reciprocate…
…finally, all the best of health and peace for this year!#35 by temporal on January 1, 2004 12:45pm PT
hope you are working on a new translation
look forward to reading it here
rgds
t
i had forgoten about this....many thanks for the trip down dec 2003…i stand by what i wrote you then…particularly these passages:
…i am too secure in the knowledge of what i can do and (more importantly) what i cannot do to let petty insults get in the way…
…if you feel hurt, search for the truth….if you still feel violated, ignore these ramblings and move on…life is too short to carry grudges to grave…just ignore me and move on…i will gladly reciprocate…
…finally, all the best of health and peace for this year!#35 by temporal on January 1, 2004 12:45pm PT
hope you are working on a new translation
look forward to reading it here
rgds
t
#65 Posted by trmntr_x on August 29, 2005 7:37:15 pm
oye tempura,
mujhay muth bhooliyehgaa! Fatso Bibi thinks we are great friends! Mehrbani karkeh!
mujhay muth bhooliyehgaa! Fatso Bibi thinks we are great friends! Mehrbani karkeh!
#66 Posted by Godot on August 29, 2005 8:25:10 pm
Re: # 64
Temporal
I did not want it to come this far...but congratulations...you being you...you made me do it...
“i had forgoten about this``
No you haven’t. It’s etched in your memory forever. And since we are walking down the memory lane and just as you stand by your post, so do I...but instead of making the reader click on a link to read it, I’m reproducing it here for an easy read:
Temporal
Ironically, all those meaning of “your slip is showing” that you came up with in your post #23 fit you real well. The façade of wisdom, depth, and kind-heartedness that you put up at Chowk has come crumbling down on this board. You have come out clean and have showed your slip. You are a very petty man, t, most ordinary and least interesting. Thank goodness our planned meeting did not take place. I was saved. What a disappointment and a waste of time it would have been for me. Be assured I will not be in touch with you the next time I’m in TO.
Further, you write: “…i am too secure in the knowledge of what i can do and (more importantly) what i cannot do to let petty insults get in the way…”
No, you aren’t and you don’t. Your “malignant memories” (your words) will haunt you forever. You want the lord of universe to take your hafiza from you. Alas. However, it’s your insults that are petty, Temporal. Go back and re-read your posts by which you still stand to see how enlightened they are.
And as for me being hurt (above all from someone as petty and insignificant as you) and searching the truth...I stand by my this post:
Temporal
I don’t need to search the Truth, I know it and speak it. No, I’m not hurt. I don’t feel violated, just pissed at the inanity of it all. I’m vain and one arrogant SOB. I know enough about you from your posts and non-posts. Someone like you keeping a distance from me is a favor to me and very much appreciated.
Now, be a realist and register for an evening course in English Writing 101 at an adult learning center.
Temporal
I did not want it to come this far...but congratulations...you being you...you made me do it...
“i had forgoten about this``
No you haven’t. It’s etched in your memory forever. And since we are walking down the memory lane and just as you stand by your post, so do I...but instead of making the reader click on a link to read it, I’m reproducing it here for an easy read:
Temporal
Ironically, all those meaning of “your slip is showing” that you came up with in your post #23 fit you real well. The façade of wisdom, depth, and kind-heartedness that you put up at Chowk has come crumbling down on this board. You have come out clean and have showed your slip. You are a very petty man, t, most ordinary and least interesting. Thank goodness our planned meeting did not take place. I was saved. What a disappointment and a waste of time it would have been for me. Be assured I will not be in touch with you the next time I’m in TO.
Further, you write: “…i am too secure in the knowledge of what i can do and (more importantly) what i cannot do to let petty insults get in the way…”
No, you aren’t and you don’t. Your “malignant memories” (your words) will haunt you forever. You want the lord of universe to take your hafiza from you. Alas. However, it’s your insults that are petty, Temporal. Go back and re-read your posts by which you still stand to see how enlightened they are.
And as for me being hurt (above all from someone as petty and insignificant as you) and searching the truth...I stand by my this post:
Temporal
I don’t need to search the Truth, I know it and speak it. No, I’m not hurt. I don’t feel violated, just pissed at the inanity of it all. I’m vain and one arrogant SOB. I know enough about you from your posts and non-posts. Someone like you keeping a distance from me is a favor to me and very much appreciated.
Now, be a realist and register for an evening course in English Writing 101 at an adult learning center.
#67 Posted by Dalit on August 29, 2005 10:49:44 pm
This is a very good play on words Hi jack...read this as ``hijack`` and you will enjoy the story...hehehehe…good short story... but needs some work with the narration….hehehehe...
to make my point clear....desis tend to combine words. They would say hi jack and it would sound like hijack w/o a brief pause...good observation sir...hehehhehe...
#68 Posted by omar_r_quraishi on August 30, 2005 2:02:34 am
hahaha -- for once a sanctimonious chowk baba stands exposed -- just goes to prove that you really have to be in with eds to get BS printed
#69 Posted by dost_mittar on August 30, 2005 4:41:33 am
The distinction between UP and FP seems to be fast disappearing.
The author has said that the story was merely a pretext to discuss the distemper of our times. The story has indeed been made a pretext, but not to discuss what author wanted but to launch a vicious attack by some people to vilify and humiliate the author. The author too has, in some ways, contributed to this by bringing the credibility issue of an interactor.
Those of us who care for chowk are dismayed at the rapidly declining quality of debate at FP. The karta-dhartas of chowk should take a note of it and take some remedial action before it is too late. I think that they have contributed to the problem in two ways; one, by not enforcing their guidelines in a fair and consistent manner. There is no doubt that Salim needs to wash his mouth with a strong detergent from time to time, but some of the most foul-mouthed chowkies are also among the most long-standing and loved ones, esp. on Unplugged. Secondly, by denying Salim access to UP, they have caused him to bring his fights to FP thus turning it into a mirror image of FP. Please be consistent and fair in your application.
[Salim, please refrain from praising me. That will defeat the purpose of this post]
The author has said that the story was merely a pretext to discuss the distemper of our times. The story has indeed been made a pretext, but not to discuss what author wanted but to launch a vicious attack by some people to vilify and humiliate the author. The author too has, in some ways, contributed to this by bringing the credibility issue of an interactor.
Those of us who care for chowk are dismayed at the rapidly declining quality of debate at FP. The karta-dhartas of chowk should take a note of it and take some remedial action before it is too late. I think that they have contributed to the problem in two ways; one, by not enforcing their guidelines in a fair and consistent manner. There is no doubt that Salim needs to wash his mouth with a strong detergent from time to time, but some of the most foul-mouthed chowkies are also among the most long-standing and loved ones, esp. on Unplugged. Secondly, by denying Salim access to UP, they have caused him to bring his fights to FP thus turning it into a mirror image of FP. Please be consistent and fair in your application.
[Salim, please refrain from praising me. That will defeat the purpose of this post]
#70 Posted by drlokraj on August 30, 2005 5:05:37 am
#61
``kuj unjj vee rahwaan aukhiyan san
kuj gal vich vang da tauk vee see
kuj shahr day louk vee zalim sann
kuj mainun maran da shauk vee see``
at least something good came out of the dicussion on this ?story(??article or whatever....)
agar koyi samjhay tau..............
``kuj unjj vee rahwaan aukhiyan san
kuj gal vich vang da tauk vee see
kuj shahr day louk vee zalim sann
kuj mainun maran da shauk vee see``
at least something good came out of the dicussion on this ?story(??article or whatever....)
agar koyi samjhay tau..............
#71 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 5:09:16 am
Dost Mittar,
The author of this piece has refrained as much as humanely possible to the first level of abuse of chowk resources by Salim and co-and that is the constant flaming of threads with their nonsense.
However, the author-and it is a PITY that he is one of the few who actually has the backbone do so-HAS spoken out at the undisputable harrassment of several women interactors which has included:
1. post of their full names
2. repeated post of their photos
3. repeated post of their workplace
Dost Mittar, do you think these are not serious violations of privacy? Who among the rest of the interactors to which you refer compulsively and ceaselessly complete actions 1-3.?
Answer the question, please
Secondly, how does Salim ``washing his mouth out with strong soap`` address 1-3? Do you make a distinction betweeen name calling and posting personal info on the internet or not? Answer the question, please
Thirdly, it is these kinds of excuses and rationalizations that make our cultures-including cyber culture-as ridiculously misogynist as they are. Do you think that Salim-who is certifiably afflicted with a mental illness-understands reform? He`s just thrilled that he got away with what he did. And he will do it AGAIN.
And when he does, Dost Sahib, I`d like you to make some more excuses.
The author of this piece has refrained as much as humanely possible to the first level of abuse of chowk resources by Salim and co-and that is the constant flaming of threads with their nonsense.
However, the author-and it is a PITY that he is one of the few who actually has the backbone do so-HAS spoken out at the undisputable harrassment of several women interactors which has included:
1. post of their full names
2. repeated post of their photos
3. repeated post of their workplace
Dost Mittar, do you think these are not serious violations of privacy? Who among the rest of the interactors to which you refer compulsively and ceaselessly complete actions 1-3.?
Answer the question, please
Secondly, how does Salim ``washing his mouth out with strong soap`` address 1-3? Do you make a distinction betweeen name calling and posting personal info on the internet or not? Answer the question, please
Thirdly, it is these kinds of excuses and rationalizations that make our cultures-including cyber culture-as ridiculously misogynist as they are. Do you think that Salim-who is certifiably afflicted with a mental illness-understands reform? He`s just thrilled that he got away with what he did. And he will do it AGAIN.
And when he does, Dost Sahib, I`d like you to make some more excuses.
#73 Posted by ana on August 30, 2005 5:26:22 am
with all due respect, the debates even here at the FP have been rapidly declining almost since the first time i signed up here which in december will be four years ago. so that rapid decline cannot be placed in salim`s lap alone. there have been other members who have contributed to that decline. . . . members who never get banned, whose posts have yet to be removed for ``violating chowk guidelines`` and who consider it their right to free speech to write anything they wish here at the front page, from calling women the b word, to telling a female she needs to get laid, if heaven forbid she should express an opinion they do not agree with. from being hateful without using profanity.
in terms of this thing we call ``credibility`` everyone and anyone`s credibility can be questioned at some point. i think we should stop pointing fingers at who is credible and who isn`t, when our own credibility can be put to question, and is.
i do not feel that the vilification here was called for. i am not surprised however that those who raised their ``voices`` here did so. some people take a certain amount of pleasure in tripping up someone else whenever they can. and the author of this piece is no exception to that. nor am i.
there really is little distinction between unplugged and the front page. the reason unplugged exists is because it began at the front page. and unplugged hasn`t changed what still goes on at the front page.
and the beat goes on. . . .
in terms of this thing we call ``credibility`` everyone and anyone`s credibility can be questioned at some point. i think we should stop pointing fingers at who is credible and who isn`t, when our own credibility can be put to question, and is.
i do not feel that the vilification here was called for. i am not surprised however that those who raised their ``voices`` here did so. some people take a certain amount of pleasure in tripping up someone else whenever they can. and the author of this piece is no exception to that. nor am i.
there really is little distinction between unplugged and the front page. the reason unplugged exists is because it began at the front page. and unplugged hasn`t changed what still goes on at the front page.
and the beat goes on. . . .
#74 Posted by Montag on August 30, 2005 5:35:05 am
IF Mr. Salim is to be sensored than it has to be done to Samin Asha and others also. How many times Samin Asha writes beeyatch and other foul language to people? How many time she harrassed every poster who defeated her in debate? Why her violation of Chowk guideline is tolerated? Why Arjun_m is allowed to post anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan propaganda everyday?
#75 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 5:37:10 am
Ana,
To my knowledge, no one in the past four years has posted explicit workplace info of female interactors. It is one thing to constantly be told that you are a ``feminazi`` and every pejorative slur possible-and this has somehow become accepted at chowk. But posting info of real people to harrass them is taking it to a whole new level.
We all have different opionions here. You and I have disagreed many times. But neither of us has felt it necessary to post pictures for the sake of ridicule. I have not found it necessary to find out where you work and live. No one has posted the names of your closest relatives.
THIS IS AN ALL NEW LOW.
To my knowledge, no one in the past four years has posted explicit workplace info of female interactors. It is one thing to constantly be told that you are a ``feminazi`` and every pejorative slur possible-and this has somehow become accepted at chowk. But posting info of real people to harrass them is taking it to a whole new level.
We all have different opionions here. You and I have disagreed many times. But neither of us has felt it necessary to post pictures for the sake of ridicule. I have not found it necessary to find out where you work and live. No one has posted the names of your closest relatives.
THIS IS AN ALL NEW LOW.
#76 Posted by jawahara on August 30, 2005 5:57:39 am
The interactions on this board jumped from genuine criticism to unfettered attacks. As someone who in the past was also attacked at a personal level (including pictures being posted without my consent) this is the continuation of troubling trend at chowk. Is there a balance to be found between spirited critiques and personal attacks? I wonder.
#77 Posted by hamidm2 on August 30, 2005 6:15:26 am
Re: # 72
nonsense and drivel !
urstruly mian, this is a prime example of the victim mentality that is driving muslims to blow themselves up and drives other people nuts .............
............. i don`t know a single muslim who has lost his job in america because of 9/11 ....... periods ..........
......... and i know dozens (maybe hundreds) of people who are employed in industries that are hurting - telecom, computer services, management consulting, electronic manufacturing and automotive ........... my company has laid off thousands of people in the last four years, but i don`t know a single sorry-behind muslim who has lost his job inspite of the unkempt facial hair and the fact that they disappear for two hours every friday afternoon ............... most of the people who were fired were white men over fifty years of age with kids in college and huge mortgages - a number of them are still looking for jobs ............ i know many (30+) pakis working at gm, ford, chrysler, visteon, delphi etc., who inspite of the fact that they have done nothing for the last ten years (no one else does either ) continue to draw a nice paycheck every two weeks ............ paki doctors keep on getting residencies and keep on getting promoted as heads of departments iand keep on building monstrosities in bloomfield hills .......... and contrary to popular belief, there are many paki residents in lucrative specialties like surgery, opthamology and dermatology (my two nephews, for example) .......... i know at least one pakistani entrepreneur in the valley who inspite of the fact that he has frittered away over a hundred million dollars in vc over the last fifteen years just managed to get another twenty for another hairbrained scheme ...........
........... and wonder of wonders, i am still employed !........... and i often wonder why - if it was up to me i`d fire myself and hire three young white guys, plus one colored quadraplegic woman to satisfy eoe, for the same money ........... the only reason i can think of is because i am a muslim, and they are afraid to fire my sorry behind because i might go crying to some urdu newspaper with my sob story !.......... that`s why i am keeping my name ................
........... shame on you for giving in to this kind of stupidity when the facts are staring you in the face !........... next time you buy a three dollar coffee at starbucks, think of the poor white engineer who used to sit in the cube next to you and is now selling shoes at marshall fields .............. ingrate !
nonsense and drivel !
urstruly mian, this is a prime example of the victim mentality that is driving muslims to blow themselves up and drives other people nuts .............
............. i don`t know a single muslim who has lost his job in america because of 9/11 ....... periods ..........
......... and i know dozens (maybe hundreds) of people who are employed in industries that are hurting - telecom, computer services, management consulting, electronic manufacturing and automotive ........... my company has laid off thousands of people in the last four years, but i don`t know a single sorry-behind muslim who has lost his job inspite of the unkempt facial hair and the fact that they disappear for two hours every friday afternoon ............... most of the people who were fired were white men over fifty years of age with kids in college and huge mortgages - a number of them are still looking for jobs ............ i know many (30+) pakis working at gm, ford, chrysler, visteon, delphi etc., who inspite of the fact that they have done nothing for the last ten years (no one else does either ) continue to draw a nice paycheck every two weeks ............ paki doctors keep on getting residencies and keep on getting promoted as heads of departments iand keep on building monstrosities in bloomfield hills .......... and contrary to popular belief, there are many paki residents in lucrative specialties like surgery, opthamology and dermatology (my two nephews, for example) .......... i know at least one pakistani entrepreneur in the valley who inspite of the fact that he has frittered away over a hundred million dollars in vc over the last fifteen years just managed to get another twenty for another hairbrained scheme ...........
........... and wonder of wonders, i am still employed !........... and i often wonder why - if it was up to me i`d fire myself and hire three young white guys, plus one colored quadraplegic woman to satisfy eoe, for the same money ........... the only reason i can think of is because i am a muslim, and they are afraid to fire my sorry behind because i might go crying to some urdu newspaper with my sob story !.......... that`s why i am keeping my name ................
........... shame on you for giving in to this kind of stupidity when the facts are staring you in the face !........... next time you buy a three dollar coffee at starbucks, think of the poor white engineer who used to sit in the cube next to you and is now selling shoes at marshall fields .............. ingrate !
#78 Posted by hamidm2 on August 30, 2005 6:20:50 am
urstruly,
............ since you and i live in the same area, and probably know some of the same people, let`s meet for lunch and compare notes - bring your list of people/muslims who have lost their jobs ......
...............how about mccormick`s at 1:30 today! ......... i am buying - i recommend the seared ahi (it was caught by a muslim fisherman and is halal) .........
............ since you and i live in the same area, and probably know some of the same people, let`s meet for lunch and compare notes - bring your list of people/muslims who have lost their jobs ......
...............how about mccormick`s at 1:30 today! ......... i am buying - i recommend the seared ahi (it was caught by a muslim fisherman and is halal) .........
#79 Posted by dost_mittar on August 30, 2005 6:23:37 am
Saminasha#71:
I wrote that post with some hesitation because I did not want to get into the type of discussion we are now entering. But I could not stand by and see the character assasination of someone I know to be a very decent and kind human being. And in so doing, I analysed what I think are the reasons for what`s happening here. If I were a moderator of this forum, I would have closed this thread with a statement, ``This thread is now closed as it has turned into personal abuses``.
``1. post of their full names
2. repeated post of their photos
3. repeated post of their workplace
Dost Mittar, do you think these are not serious violations of privacy? Who among the rest of the interactors to which you refer compulsively and ceaselessly complete actions 1-3.?
Answer the question, please``
I belong to the old school where civil and courteous discourse and respect for women was more important than privacy and in that old fashioned world, women did not use four-letter words either. But I do know that the world has changed and, so, I agree that the rules regarding privacy must be followed. Some of us do know other chowkies in real life and make it a point not to advertantly divulge their personal information. I do not know whether posting personal information from a public source at chowk is specifically forbidden by chowk guidelines or law, but if it is then isn`t it chowk that should not have published this information in the first place? By the way, I do know of at least one other case where an esteemed chowkie posted a picture of ZahraJ on chowk, though not in a negative way. Regardless, as a simple matter of courtesy, if someone has posted information about someone else without knowing their true feelings about it, the least they should do is apologise for their act.
I wrote that post with some hesitation because I did not want to get into the type of discussion we are now entering. But I could not stand by and see the character assasination of someone I know to be a very decent and kind human being. And in so doing, I analysed what I think are the reasons for what`s happening here. If I were a moderator of this forum, I would have closed this thread with a statement, ``This thread is now closed as it has turned into personal abuses``.
``1. post of their full names
2. repeated post of their photos
3. repeated post of their workplace
Dost Mittar, do you think these are not serious violations of privacy? Who among the rest of the interactors to which you refer compulsively and ceaselessly complete actions 1-3.?
Answer the question, please``
I belong to the old school where civil and courteous discourse and respect for women was more important than privacy and in that old fashioned world, women did not use four-letter words either. But I do know that the world has changed and, so, I agree that the rules regarding privacy must be followed. Some of us do know other chowkies in real life and make it a point not to advertantly divulge their personal information. I do not know whether posting personal information from a public source at chowk is specifically forbidden by chowk guidelines or law, but if it is then isn`t it chowk that should not have published this information in the first place? By the way, I do know of at least one other case where an esteemed chowkie posted a picture of ZahraJ on chowk, though not in a negative way. Regardless, as a simple matter of courtesy, if someone has posted information about someone else without knowing their true feelings about it, the least they should do is apologise for their act.
#80 Posted by iron_mask on August 30, 2005 6:28:08 am
Re: # 28
salim in bollywood parlance it apparently is
``bin terrace ka building``
salim in bollywood parlance it apparently is
``bin terrace ka building``
#81 Posted by hamidm2 on August 30, 2005 6:31:50 am
urstruly,
......... and i should be easy to recognize since i look like any other desi complete with moustache and bad haircut .............. and if there is more than one desi there, just ask the bartender - unlike some people here i use my real name everywhere even though, regrettably, it is a muslim name ..............
......... and i should be easy to recognize since i look like any other desi complete with moustache and bad haircut .............. and if there is more than one desi there, just ask the bartender - unlike some people here i use my real name everywhere even though, regrettably, it is a muslim name ..............
#82 Posted by dost_mittar on August 30, 2005 6:34:05 am
hamidm2:
You have a secret crush on Urstruly. :-)
You have a secret crush on Urstruly. :-)
#83 Posted by hamidm2 on August 30, 2005 6:36:35 am
Re: # 79
saminasha,
....... how come i have not seen these pictures that you are talking about .......... as soon as i loose ten (okay, twenty !) pounds i will post my picture for the world to see what a good looking paki man looks like !
........... i don`t know if urstruly will show up for lunch today, but if he does i will take his picture with my hidden camera and post it along with mine for the contrast ...........
saminasha,
....... how come i have not seen these pictures that you are talking about .......... as soon as i loose ten (okay, twenty !) pounds i will post my picture for the world to see what a good looking paki man looks like !
........... i don`t know if urstruly will show up for lunch today, but if he does i will take his picture with my hidden camera and post it along with mine for the contrast ...........
#84 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 6:38:22 am
Dost Mittar,
The staff of Chowk has continually worked towards deleting the eggregiously abusive messages constantly posted by salim and co. This is becoming a 24-7 task. Do you agree that chowk.com, a free website that is run out of the pockets of its owners and workers should have to do that? Do you know why they are contributing their free labor so that ``Salim`` and co. can continue to abuse the resources of this website? So that ``salim`` and ``co`` can cyber harrass ceaselessly anyone they do not like.
Can you defend this? Can you tell us what is ``kind and decent`` about exploiting the labor and vision of the people who provide a website so that you can mock ideas of free speech, equality and indo pak dialogue?
Why is THIS acceptable?
The staff of Chowk has continually worked towards deleting the eggregiously abusive messages constantly posted by salim and co. This is becoming a 24-7 task. Do you agree that chowk.com, a free website that is run out of the pockets of its owners and workers should have to do that? Do you know why they are contributing their free labor so that ``Salim`` and co. can continue to abuse the resources of this website? So that ``salim`` and ``co`` can cyber harrass ceaselessly anyone they do not like.
Can you defend this? Can you tell us what is ``kind and decent`` about exploiting the labor and vision of the people who provide a website so that you can mock ideas of free speech, equality and indo pak dialogue?
Why is THIS acceptable?
#85 Posted by Montag on August 30, 2005 6:39:34 am
So that ``salim`` and ``co`` can cyber harrass ceaselessly anyone they do not like.
Samin Asha you harrass everyone who disagree with your garbage (mostly cut paste). You use as much filthy language than anyone. Get lost.
Samin Asha you harrass everyone who disagree with your garbage (mostly cut paste). You use as much filthy language than anyone. Get lost.
#86 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 6:40:08 am
Hamid
Your pic will never get posted or ridiculed because 1. desi women could care less 2. the chamchas here adore you...and women are meant to be shamed, boys are just naughty...
Your pic will never get posted or ridiculed because 1. desi women could care less 2. the chamchas here adore you...and women are meant to be shamed, boys are just naughty...
#87 Posted by Montag on August 30, 2005 6:41:58 am
Why there is so long list of good interactors that have problem with Samin Asha? Ana, Mr. Godot, Mr. Salim, Ms. Syke, Ms. Aimie and many more. She should be removed from CHowk to eliminate many fights.
#88 Posted by hamidm2 on August 30, 2005 6:43:12 am
Re: # 82
dost,
.... this man is so full of manure he should be grazing on a ranch in oklahoma ......... i just want to see what he looks like in real life .......... my biggest fear is that he might turn out to be a normal nice guy - i suspect that a lot of people on chowk are quite different in real life ..............
dost,
.... this man is so full of manure he should be grazing on a ranch in oklahoma ......... i just want to see what he looks like in real life .......... my biggest fear is that he might turn out to be a normal nice guy - i suspect that a lot of people on chowk are quite different in real life ..............
#89 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 6:47:46 am
Dost Mittar,
re: posting pics
By all credible accounts, the pics posted of female interactors was not done so with the permission of these REAL people. Jawahara just pointed out that her picture was posted not for reasons of praise.
If you find the ideas of violation of privacy inconvenient to your argument, how about dealing with the actual reasons for posting pics of female interactors-for ridicule, abuse and harrassment? Are you going to actually claim that salim and co did not accompany their posting of our pics with comments of ``ugly``, ``fat``, etc.? Please discuss the kind and decent behavior of such actions.
re: posting pics
By all credible accounts, the pics posted of female interactors was not done so with the permission of these REAL people. Jawahara just pointed out that her picture was posted not for reasons of praise.
If you find the ideas of violation of privacy inconvenient to your argument, how about dealing with the actual reasons for posting pics of female interactors-for ridicule, abuse and harrassment? Are you going to actually claim that salim and co did not accompany their posting of our pics with comments of ``ugly``, ``fat``, etc.? Please discuss the kind and decent behavior of such actions.
#90 Posted by hamidm2 on August 30, 2005 6:48:25 am
Re: # 86
samina,
...... i am deeply hurt, but i do see your point .....
samina,
...... i am deeply hurt, but i do see your point .....
#91 Posted by Montag on August 30, 2005 6:50:25 am
Ms. Jawahara is not rude foul mouth with big ego and small brain. That is difference between Samin Asha and her.
#92 Posted by Montag on August 30, 2005 6:52:17 am
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#93 Posted by hamidm2 on August 30, 2005 6:52:39 am
posting pics,
.......... why would anyone want to do it ? ....... it sounds sort of juvenile .......... maybe chowk should set an age limit ......... i propose a minimum age of forty because that is the age when most men grow up (even god didn`t trust the prophet until he turned forty ) ..........
.......... why would anyone want to do it ? ....... it sounds sort of juvenile .......... maybe chowk should set an age limit ......... i propose a minimum age of forty because that is the age when most men grow up (even god didn`t trust the prophet until he turned forty ) ..........
#94 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 6:54:50 am
Hamid,
But that shouldnt stop you from posting your own photo so that we can ooo and aah! 0:)
Dost Mittar,
I understand this is not easy for you and I appreciate your engagement with this issue. Thank you for your comments.
But that shouldnt stop you from posting your own photo so that we can ooo and aah! 0:)
Dost Mittar,
I understand this is not easy for you and I appreciate your engagement with this issue. Thank you for your comments.
#95 Posted by iron_mask on August 30, 2005 6:55:13 am
Re: # 89
One cannot condone or accept boorish behaviour on a forum which is meant to be a civislised one. Anyone can post a picture and suggest that this is of xyz. It is upto xyz and his/her firends/cronies to validate/verify this data. If privacy is paramount that this validation/verification should not have been done. The search would have become eternal. As tihngs stand there appears to be a set of pictures somewhere which will be used repeatedly just to get a cyber-high every time a thrill is required. It is upto the person at the recieving end whether they want to provide such thrills or not. That this was done, in no uncertain manner, indicates that there was mutual appreciation of the act itself.
It would be interesting to see the reaction if you did manage to post their pictures as well. Can you do it? You do seem to be havng some information in this regard. So do it and be done with it. Get rid of the monkey on back.
One cannot condone or accept boorish behaviour on a forum which is meant to be a civislised one. Anyone can post a picture and suggest that this is of xyz. It is upto xyz and his/her firends/cronies to validate/verify this data. If privacy is paramount that this validation/verification should not have been done. The search would have become eternal. As tihngs stand there appears to be a set of pictures somewhere which will be used repeatedly just to get a cyber-high every time a thrill is required. It is upto the person at the recieving end whether they want to provide such thrills or not. That this was done, in no uncertain manner, indicates that there was mutual appreciation of the act itself.
It would be interesting to see the reaction if you did manage to post their pictures as well. Can you do it? You do seem to be havng some information in this regard. So do it and be done with it. Get rid of the monkey on back.
#96 Posted by hamidm2 on August 30, 2005 6:55:22 am
urstruly,
...... i have to go to a meeting ....... will be back in two hours ....... looking forward to lunch
regards,
hamid
...... i have to go to a meeting ....... will be back in two hours ....... looking forward to lunch
regards,
hamid
#97 Posted by dost_mittar on August 30, 2005 6:58:16 am
Saminasha#84:
``Why is THIS acceptable?``
No, it is not acceptable. But the chowk management is, to some extent, also responsible for the same. The chowk abuse of women started with the vicious, sexual attacks and innuendos directed at sadna long before salim & co. showed up here. One or two very well-loved chowkies abused her and some of the most esteemed chowkies cheered them on. Sadna left, came back and left again. But when that transgression was overlooked, a precedent was established and things at chowk have gone downhill since then.
``Why is THIS acceptable?``
No, it is not acceptable. But the chowk management is, to some extent, also responsible for the same. The chowk abuse of women started with the vicious, sexual attacks and innuendos directed at sadna long before salim & co. showed up here. One or two very well-loved chowkies abused her and some of the most esteemed chowkies cheered them on. Sadna left, came back and left again. But when that transgression was overlooked, a precedent was established and things at chowk have gone downhill since then.
#98 Posted by ana on August 30, 2005 7:00:36 am
samina:
reread dost-mittar`s #79. when you ask him what is ``kind and decent`` about exploiting chowk labor. . . mittarji is not referring to salim as kind and decent. he is referring to temporal. your question would suggest to some that he was defending salim`s behavior, and i don`t believe that to be the case.
reread dost-mittar`s #79. when you ask him what is ``kind and decent`` about exploiting chowk labor. . . mittarji is not referring to salim as kind and decent. he is referring to temporal. your question would suggest to some that he was defending salim`s behavior, and i don`t believe that to be the case.
#99 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 7:02:42 am
Iron Mask,
I`m not participating these ridiculous circular and self serving arguments with interactors with zero credibility. This is the whole ``blame the victim`` trope-instead of holding the perpetrators responsible. Typical desi misogynistical rationales.
I`m not participating these ridiculous circular and self serving arguments with interactors with zero credibility. This is the whole ``blame the victim`` trope-instead of holding the perpetrators responsible. Typical desi misogynistical rationales.
#101 Posted by iron_mask on August 30, 2005 7:03:29 am
Re: # 98
its called shoot first and then ask questions.
But then everyone considers his/her lament/predicament to be more important...you see this every day in the class rooms of most high schools
its called shoot first and then ask questions.
But then everyone considers his/her lament/predicament to be more important...you see this every day in the class rooms of most high schools
#102 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 7:05:33 am
Dost,
I was one of those interactors who found the abuse of Sadna unacceptable-and said so again and again. Women on this website are constantly attacked.
I also apologise for misunderstanding who you were referring to in a previous post as ana has indicated. I am very happy that you are speaking in temporal`s defense.
ana,
thanks for the clarification!
I was one of those interactors who found the abuse of Sadna unacceptable-and said so again and again. Women on this website are constantly attacked.
I also apologise for misunderstanding who you were referring to in a previous post as ana has indicated. I am very happy that you are speaking in temporal`s defense.
ana,
thanks for the clarification!
#103 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 7:07:38 am
Iron Mask,
I beg your pardon? Who are you to suggest anything? Go back to your s and m thread-it seems you are the only one there, tellingly enough.
I beg your pardon? Who are you to suggest anything? Go back to your s and m thread-it seems you are the only one there, tellingly enough.
#104 Posted by iron_mask on August 30, 2005 7:07:39 am
Re: # 99
okay right they are bad people. So what next? What is it that you want to do? what is it that you want done to them? what is it that you want them to do? What are the lessons you can learn from this/these episode(s)?
Do it as an exercise in your spare time. and then read this out loud into a mic whilst taping it. And then listen to the whole thing yourself again and again.
okay right they are bad people. So what next? What is it that you want to do? what is it that you want done to them? what is it that you want them to do? What are the lessons you can learn from this/these episode(s)?
Do it as an exercise in your spare time. and then read this out loud into a mic whilst taping it. And then listen to the whole thing yourself again and again.
#105 Posted by Saminasha on August 30, 2005 7:09:53 am
Iron Mask,
What is galling is that interactors like you-probably privilleged, elite, male-think this is a joke...like your s&m thread...women ``like`` to abused according to you, isnt that right?
Idiot.
What is galling is that interactors like you-probably privilleged, elite, male-think this is a joke...like your s&m thread...women ``like`` to abused according to you, isnt that right?
Idiot.
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