zainab siddique July 11, 2005
#1 Posted by irfanhamid on July 11, 2005 2:01:40 am
Wow, 3 out of the 4 links for webpages you gave are broken, some biblio you got there.
Irfan.
Irfan.
#2 Posted by ullu_ka_pathha on July 11, 2005 4:33:14 am
``Learning by doing `` is much better way of imparting knowledge.I can still recall those long lecture hours of my college days when whole class was sleeping except two or three nerds.
#3 Posted by ShoreSahib on July 11, 2005 6:45:45 pm
Mohtarma Zainab Siddique Sahiba,
I am confused. Where is the thesis statement?
This essay could benefit much from the development of a central idea.
The link or the transition between ancient Greek philosophers and the modern educational systems is not clearly evident.
I do get where you are trying to get, but further development of ideas; a more unified introduction coupled with a thesis statement would help your case quite a bit.
I am quite sure that in your mind this essay makes perfect sense and flows well, but do think of the readers. Pretend as if we know nothing, and then tell us. Be Descriptive.
I dont mean to be negatively critical, rather am offering positive constructive criticism. I hope you will take it as such and use it in your future writing endeavors.
Peace
Asim
I am confused. Where is the thesis statement?
This essay could benefit much from the development of a central idea.
The link or the transition between ancient Greek philosophers and the modern educational systems is not clearly evident.
I do get where you are trying to get, but further development of ideas; a more unified introduction coupled with a thesis statement would help your case quite a bit.
I am quite sure that in your mind this essay makes perfect sense and flows well, but do think of the readers. Pretend as if we know nothing, and then tell us. Be Descriptive.
I dont mean to be negatively critical, rather am offering positive constructive criticism. I hope you will take it as such and use it in your future writing endeavors.
Peace
Asim
#4 Posted by Mathematiker on July 11, 2005 9:26:04 pm
Your artical is informative. Philosophy until recently had a central place in higher education. But now we hardly find any philosophy undergraduates. I took a few courses in mathematical logic and applied ethics, and was amazed by the sophistication of the subject. Studying philosopy is a great exercise in meta-theoratic thinking and argument. To me, that is true education. If you are not continously characterizing what you are learning, then there is no difference between a chimp and you.
Epistemology was a subject that also facinated people in India. Way before the Greeks I guess. Here is how you learn the Indian way; close your eyes, breath deeply, and think.
I read philosophy texts all the time for my work; yours is exceptional. It is not easy to write about philosophy clearly. Even the great philosophers fail at it. For example, Kant.
Congradulations.
Epistemology was a subject that also facinated people in India. Way before the Greeks I guess. Here is how you learn the Indian way; close your eyes, breath deeply, and think.
I read philosophy texts all the time for my work; yours is exceptional. It is not easy to write about philosophy clearly. Even the great philosophers fail at it. For example, Kant.
Congradulations.
#5 Posted by BeeJay on July 12, 2005 3:54:05 am
Dear author,
I agree in many ways with #4.
As a simple janitor, I was initially intimidated from even reading this article, so I fully understand how something like this would be extremely difficult to write lucidly. Upon reading it, however, I can see the points that you are making regarding the underlying influence of Greek philosophers on the Western education system. (As a side note, articles like this give the chowk site more meaning and purpose for me. Author, if the interacts are low, please don’t let that stop you from writing more such!)
Having brought up in India and given a full dose of what is (was?) traditional Indian educational system and now watching the Western educational system closely, I have formed the personal conclusion that the phenomenal success of what we as laymen think of as Western civilization is not rooted in religion (although religion does provide a support structure) but its educational system, which encourages individuals to seek out answers based on what is already known, while continually looking for a ``better answer``; thereby building up the knowledge base through individuals in an organized manner. Further, such constant questioning also translates into an inquisitive and “double-checking” thinking in other parts of life, thus making the population less able to get mobilized as “mobs”. (Disclaimer – these are just my thoughts, not my line of work!)
Among my suggestions for an improving this product (your article) would be an organization into sections with headings to identify what you are setting out to do in each part, the time frame for individual Greek scholars, and perhaps inserting some of the ancient Greek scholar pictures – all of them to make it more fun for the lay reader. Some more down-to-earth examples to illustrate some of the thought processes would also help.
You may also perhaps wish to discuss the long time frame – from Socrates to the present day – that it took for that underlying influence to bloom into real results!
I also agree with parts of #3 regarding putting up a thesis statement of some kind up front.
Thanks for writing this article!
Sincerely,
BeeJay.
#6 Posted by ullu_ka_pathha on July 12, 2005 2:52:09 pm
Hey!!!! it`s a forum for writers.Not a tuition center for essay writing.
Anyway apna kya jaata hai?
Anyway apna kya jaata hai?
#7 Posted by ShoreSahib on July 12, 2005 6:20:07 pm
Re: # 6
Any effective exchange of ideas begins with good writing.
You are in the West, Ulllu is considered wise here. Learn something!
Any effective exchange of ideas begins with good writing.
You are in the West, Ulllu is considered wise here. Learn something!
#8 Posted by zainabsiddique on July 13, 2005 3:14:15 pm
Re: # 2
THIS IS ONE OF THE EFFECTS OF THE GREEK EDUCATIONISTS ON THE MODERN ONES. THANKYOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING IT.
THIS IS ONE OF THE EFFECTS OF THE GREEK EDUCATIONISTS ON THE MODERN ONES. THANKYOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING IT.
#9 Posted by zainabsiddique on July 13, 2005 3:19:48 pm
Re: # 3
SIR, THANKYOU FOR ``THE POSITIVE CONSTRUCTIVE `` FEEDBACK. I WILL SURELY KEEP THE POINTS THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED IN MY FUTURE WRITINGS.
SIR, THANKYOU FOR ``THE POSITIVE CONSTRUCTIVE `` FEEDBACK. I WILL SURELY KEEP THE POINTS THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED IN MY FUTURE WRITINGS.
#10 Posted by zainabsiddique on July 13, 2005 3:27:40 pm
Re: # 5
THANKYOU FOR YOU INTERACTED IN A VERY ENCOURAGING AND A NICELY SUGGESTIVE WAY.
THANKYOU FOR YOU INTERACTED IN A VERY ENCOURAGING AND A NICELY SUGGESTIVE WAY.
#11 Posted by zainabsiddique on July 13, 2005 3:27:53 pm
Re: # 5
THANKYOU FOR YOU INTERACTED IN A VERY ENCOURAGING AND A NICELY SUGGESTIVE WAY.
THANKYOU FOR YOU INTERACTED IN A VERY ENCOURAGING AND A NICELY SUGGESTIVE WAY.
#12 Posted by zainabsiddique on July 13, 2005 3:27:58 pm
Re: # 5
THANKYOU FOR YOU INTERACTED IN A VERY ENCOURAGING AND A NICELY SUGGESTIVE WAY.
THANKYOU FOR YOU INTERACTED IN A VERY ENCOURAGING AND A NICELY SUGGESTIVE WAY.
#13 Posted by zainabsiddique on July 13, 2005 3:28:32 pm
Re: # 5
THANKYOU FOR INTERACTING IN A VERY ENCOURAGING AND A NICELY SUGGESTIVE WAY.
THANKYOU FOR INTERACTING IN A VERY ENCOURAGING AND A NICELY SUGGESTIVE WAY.
#15 Posted by EinZeitgeist on July 16, 2005 8:39:58 am
Re: # 4
I couldn`t agree more. Philosophy and education go hand in hand. Without a philosophical base, education loses its essence. A lovely article, a joy to read.
I couldn`t agree more. Philosophy and education go hand in hand. Without a philosophical base, education loses its essence. A lovely article, a joy to read.
#16 Posted by Schandra on July 23, 2005 3:29:11 pm
Dear Zainab, As you`re a student of philosophy, it may be worth exploring the effect of indian philosophies predating Socrates. All these 3 philosophers came just when greeks were very strongly attracted towards all things indian. The indian philosophies had reached that stage of maturity where Gautam could literally ignore God and base his logic purely on a sequence of `cause and effect`. If there is a still bit of mysticism in Buddhism, it was still because of origin of life was still a great mystery. Some other Nastik ( agnostic) philosophers dared extrapolating to a total logic based knowledge. This ofcourse did not support the livelihood of priestly class and hardly had the attractiveness of the `divine` so didnot survive. The concept of `Soul` and many other constructs were proposed by Plato as they were already done in India since 9th century BC.
Cordially. Sharad
Cordially. Sharad
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