Hazrat Sarmad Shaheed: The Naked Sufi Martyr

any sane muslim can see that a person who falls in love with boys and roams about naked is as far away from Islam as is the satan himself....
and bigger fools r those who stand at the graves of such mulhideen....

sattar,

.... thank you for standing up to the hateful and spiteful mullahs who are bent upon destroying civilization ....... thank you for saying all the things that i always wanted to say but was afraid of being struck by a lightening bolt (you see, my lack of faith is not above petty superstitions !) ........... i particularly liked the following description of those who wear a beard without a moustache and are given to unnecessarily upending themselves five times a day :

deluded, dubious imbeciles
little fuking angel
chicken $hit
a swine and a eunuch
sanctimonious haramee puppy

............ i particularly like the last one - it has a nice ring to it ........... there can be no bigger insult to a beliver except, maybe, ``a sanctimonious haramee piglet`` ...........

........... now, how do i sign up to become an ahmedi - i have heard that you guys give women and money to new converts, but since i am already married can i get everything in cash ?

takbeer ! ......... mirza sahib hu akbar ! ...... (i hope that was the right slogan)

Re: # 210 The issue of of baghiya ain`t over yet. Don`t even think that you are off the hook yet.

i ahven`t changed my story--rather you haven`t been able to substantiate a single claim of yours. so go and join your dajjal qadiani leader in jahannam...

Urstruly,

Your sources are dubious, to say the least. If you had faith, you’d have revealed your “baghi” source by now. You`re chicken $hit ...

Here’s more to your sources:

Earlier you were getting cocky about the “almisbar.com” source. But as it fell apart … you acknowledged “okay sattar … you win”.

But then you found another source that you thought established your point. Turns out you were mixing up references. And your excitement has since subsided. Do you see a pattern?

But this comedy from you is nothing new …

- You claim 450+ ahadith on end of prophethood, but are unable to cite a single one. Is it supposed to be a secret or what??. The first one you cited proves continuation of prophethood! Apparently you did not even bother to read it!!! wtf??? To make matters worse, you can’t even explain how you count 450.

- According to your sources, Ahmadi conspiracies had a hand in subcontinent partition riots. Your sources turned out to be “people you’d talked to”. What the fuck is this??

- Now go back to your ullema … and ask them about a two-thousand year old prophet who resides above the clouds. Believe me … they will quote from quran, hadith, and arabic grammar to prove this nonsense. What can I say …

- According to your sources adulterers should be killed. When cornered that Quran specifies “lashes” … you commented … like a little (fucking) angel … Prophet showed us that rajm is the right way to implement Qruanic commandment! What the hell does this mean? You see “lashes” written … and insist it is “rajm”?? How the hell do you manage this delusion??

You and your sources are deluded, dubious imbeciles. Look up the references I listed … pickup any dictionary if you’d like. And if this is not enough, go screw yourself ...


Speaking of imbeciles …

Naqshbandi … re #190: When asked to substantiate your story, you changed it. You’re a swine and a eunuch.

Although Urstruly does not like this to be mentioned … but he found your claim to be without merit. Don’t tell him I told you this … he may get upset ... (which also puzzles me …)

And the same applies to you too … I mean … go screw yourself … you sanctimonious haramee puppy …


... is it too late to wish you both a good weekend????

Click here to read Hazrat Jami`s Yusuf o Zuleykha online in English translation in full!

Re: # 203 hamidm

You Zuriyat-ul-Baghiya, shut up ;)

Re: # 206

Why do all the Arabic sources I consult, have only one meaning for Baghaya. And your last post is just a summary of what is posted on Quadiani websites to defend on this issue by apologists. To me Taj ul-urus is an acceptable third party source and so is Lane`s lexicon. I just want to see with my own eyes that what you say is supported by these documents.

As far as your repeated question on ``Last prophet-last mosque`` is concerned, I am not gonna fall for this diversionary tactic. When the time will come we will discuss that too. You know where to find me. lets deal the issue at hand first.

Urstruly (#205):

As I explained and cited from various Arabic sources, “baghi” has different meanings and connotations. If you are focused on only one meaning that suits your ill-conceived purpose, that’s your problem. To a person with a hammer, everything appears to be a nail.

In your list of potential meanings of baghayya … you conveniently left out … “oppressed, misguided, those from whom blessings of Allah have departed”. I cited Lane to support this view. If you reject it, it’s your problem.

Will you ever address the “last prophet and last mosque” hadith? Also, will you ever reveal your source on this issue?

What are you hiding?

Re: # 204

I disagree with your contention and along with me does the so-called ``compiler`` of Mirza sahibs book. I have checked various other Arabic to English dictionaries and found the same results i.e. Baghaya is the plural of several words that are used for Prostitute.

It seems that your only option is that if you post the page from Taj-ul Urus here where it explains this word according to you. As far as context of this phrase is concerned it is very specific: Here is a translation from a Quadiani source:

`` ``Every Muslim will accept me and will confirm my claim except the zurrayatul baghaya whose hearts will have been sealed up by God Almighty.`` (Aina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Roohani Khazain vol.5 p.547)``

The word Zurrayat is equivalent to the english equivalent ``Offspring`` and Baghaya is the word in contention. So it could be:

Offspring of Prostitutes

or

Offspring of misguided women

Please post an image of Taj ul Urus to prove your point otherwise I have had enough of this discussion.

Urstruly (#189):

There are some errors and incorrect conclusions in your post. I have addressed those and explained as needed.

1. Explanation of terms you showed is not written by Mirza Sahib, but by compiler of his writings. These writings were put together after Mirza Sahib’s demise, and the glossary, explanations etc. are the works of compiler.

2. You are referring to volume 16 … where reference is specifically made to women with sinful tendencies. As it explains, according to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) an increase in number of such women will be seen at the onset of the days of dajjal. This seems to suggest a general decline of morality … marked by a relative rise in promiscuity. Note the context here.

3. The reference in question … zurayatul-baghayya (“children of baghayya”) … shows up not in volume 16, but in volume 5, in entirely different context. Glossary from volume 16 does not apply to volume 5. In volume 5 Mirza Sahib refers to his opponents as people without guidance. Arab lexicon Tajul Urus describes the term to mean “one without guidance”. From what I know, one of the meaning of baghi … as mentioned in Tajul Urus … is that of a female slave.

The reference here suggests lack of moral courage. Being enslaved and subjugated causes people to lose qualities of courage. Being born to a slave makes matters worse. Such a person posses little strength to accept truth when faced with it. That’s the implication of “children of baghi”.

4. For further reference, I looked up meaning of the root word … “bagha” … in an Arabic dictionary I have. It lists … “to transgress, pass beyond bounds, act unjustly, lie, oppress anyone, treat unjustly, hate ...”. It covers the meaning that I have suggested all along.

5. For still further reference, I checked Lane’s lexicon … which includes in the explanation of the word “baghy’n” as … “…acting wrongfully, unjustly, tyrannically; because the envier so acts towards the envied; his endeavor being to cause, by guile, the blessing of God upon him to depart from him …”. This meaning is very close (almost identical?) to what I have supported all along.

6. In short, you seem to have mixed up references … and drawn incorrect conclusions. I admit that I was not aware that one of the meaning of “baghi” has sexual connotations. Live and learn. But as I explained above “bagha” connotes people who transgress, oppress, lie, are unjust … and more. It may be used in several contexts. The context in question … as supported by Arabic lexicon Tajul Urus, does not have sexual connotations. Non-sexual meanings are also supported by the additional references I have listed above.

7. Mirza Sahib wrote 81-or-so books. Is this all you find objectionable in his writings? One word … all this effort … and still nothing to show for it. Why this infatuation with “children of prostitutes” label? You seem to be bent upon interpreting it that way.

8. Note that Quran, when referring to rebellious people, calls them apes and swine, and dogs, and donkeys. You may also find this objectionable.

9. Going back to courage issue … how about the hadith you yourself quoted … “I am the last prophet and this mosque of mine is the last mosque” …? It plainly suggests continuation of prophethood. When will you respond?

10. It is now time for you to reveal your source on “baghi” issue. After much prodding, Naqshbandi finally came clean. His source turns out to be a sub-intelligent, hate-filled web-mullah … who is twisting facts and making things up. It is your turn now. Is your source similar ? Is it the same?

tom friedman wants us to identify the top 10 hatemongers of the year

nyt

.......... i propose urstruly for his relentless diatribes against the ahmedis ......

the second website was

http://bahai-library.com/?file=hassall_egypt

Re: # 200 Concerned

You have to give more information to me than this and some independent sources to verify it.

The following is the ``2000 Annual Report on International Religious Freedom:
Executive Summary``, under Egypt I saw nothing was happening to Bihaiis. Now this report was compiled by Americans, who are liars and thieves by nature, so I am not sure if this report can be trusted.

http://www.uga.edu/bahai/News/090500-1.html

Another serach of Bihaii+persecution brought me to this website. Apparently this website is operated by Bihaiis themselves. Under birth registration and recognition of religion I found this `` In Muslim countries of the near and middle east only recognised religions were entitled to establish ecclesiastical courts, which presided over matters of personal status, such as registration of birth, marriage, divorce, and inheritance. When the Muslim ecclesiastical courts denounced Egyptian Bahá`ís as heretics, who were not entitled to the benefits of Muslim law, the Bahá`ís appealed to the Egyptian government.

On 10 May 1925 an Islamic court pronounced the Faith to be independent of Islam. (Report BW II 1926-28, 31-33) (See WOB,10-12; Guardian`s communications 10/1/26; 12 January 1927 in Bahá`í Administration) Hippolite Dreyus-Barney assisted the Egyptian Bahá`ís in lifting some of the persecution they received (BWIII,210).``

Apparently this report is from 1926 & 1927, I did not find anything that suggests that the practice continues today. Since in 1925 the Islamic court pronounced Bahiis the non-Muslim I am having trouble with your statement when you said that ``Seems to me that first `we` are forcing the bahais to call themselves muslims and then persecuting them based on the `qualifier`....`` From your statement it is clear that Egyptian forms do not have a column titled ``Other (Explain)........`` under religious catagory; and although Bihaiis have an option to declare themselves Christians or Jews too but they find themselves forecd to register as Muslims. Something doesn`t add up.

Following is a copy of the Application form for Egyptian Passport, and I did not see a column for religion:



Following is an online application form for Egyptian National ID, I also did not find any column for identification of religion either:

https://secure.cso.gov.eg/prerequest.aspx?serviceid=2

[case by case basis...It really depends on which side of the fence you are standing...]

Case of Egypt:

[The Government`s new software requires all citizens to be categorized as Muslims, Christians, or Jews. Baha`is and other religious groups who do not fit into any of these categories have been compelled either to misrepresent themselves as members of one of these three religions or to go without valid identity documents, passports, birth and death certificates, and marriage licenses]

Clear cut case...Seems to me that first `we` are forcing the bahais to call themselves muslims and then persecuting them based on the `qualifier`....Is this systematic persecution? which side of the fence are you standing?

Case of Iran:

[destruction of the tomb of Quddus, a Baha`i holy site. Local Baha`is attempted to prevent the destruction through legal channels, but the tomb was destroyed in the interim. The Baha`is were not allowed permission to enter the site and retrieve the remains of this revered Baha`i figure. On June 27, the house of the father of the faith`s founder, Mirza Buzarg-e-Nuri, was destroyed without notice. Since 1979 more than 200 Baha`is have been killed, 15 have disappeared and are presumed dead, and more than 10,000 Baha`is have been dismissed from government and university jobs]

Which side of the fence are you standing?

Urstruly (#189):

Try to avoid making blanket statements. Your post seems to be indicative of your own state of mind.

I think “everybody is a liar”? Where are you getting this stuff from? And it was on basis of dictionary that I showed your interpretation to be incorrect … which you accepted. So why blame me now?

If after seeing violent views of mullah and their persecution of Ahamdis I am skeptical of ullema … why blame me?

I’ll review the stuff you posted … and respond as I find information. In the mean time, would you be kind enough to explain the hadith … “I am the last prophet and this mosque of mine is the last mosque” …? Doesn’t this hadith strongly support continuation of prophethood? You posted this hadith ... and are now quiet on it. What gives?

PS: I am curious … from where did you get this copy? You seem to be working very hard on this issue. Furthermore, don’t forget to mention (#198) that an Ahmadi may be imprisoned for claiming to be a Muslim … and an apostate may be killed in your Islamic state for simply leaving Islam ... and that you don’t think any of this is unfair … or constitutes persecution.