Being Imrana

If you insist...

Hindu scriptures are essentially pornographic in nature, full of sexual allusion, sexual symbolism, passages of frank eroticism and stories relating to venal love. Some religious sects even introduced ritual intercourse as part of their cult and a potent aid to salvation [A.L Basham, The Wonders That Was India (Calcutta: 1967), p. 172.].

The rituals, festivals and ceremonies are characterized by the display of obscene portraits, sex and sex-worship. The temples, places of pilgrimage and other holy shrines are full of sculptures with all sorts of sexual postures. The sexual life of Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu, is well-known for its indecency. He had illicit relations with Radha, wife of his maternal uncle, in addition to a number of milk-maids, although he had a large number of wives [The number of his wives was sixteen thousand one hundred and eight (16,108) and his children numbered one hundred and eighty thousand (180,000). See Ambedkar, Riddle of Rama and Krishna, (Bangalore: 1988), p.25.].
Among Hindu gods, the most prominent ones are: Brahma (the creator), Vishnu (the sustainer) and Siva (the destroyer). Brahma is found guilty of cohabiting with his own daughter, Saraswati. It is for that reason that he is deprived of being worshipped. Vishnu is guilty of deceitfully ruining the chastity of a married woman, called Tulasi. Siva is not worshipped but the image of his linga (sex-organ) is widely worshipped. This is because of the curse of some sage [See Chapter 4.]. In the sculpture, Siva and his consort Parvati are depicted in various explicit poses of the sexual act. Prostitution is encouraged in the form of religious custom of devdasi (slave-girls dedicated to temple-idols). Hindu gods and rishis (sages) are found engaged in sexual act with beautiful women and breeding illegitimate children. As for instance, in order that Rama could have strong soldiers in his army, the gods engaged themselves in begetting powerful sons. This they did by engaging themselves, in the words of Dr. Ambedkar [Dr. Ambedkar was the first law minister of independent India and was the author of India`s constitution],
``in wholesale acts of fornication, not only against apsaras, who were prostitutes, not only against the unmarried daughters of Yashas [Yaksha, naga, ruksha, vidyadhar, gandharva, kinna, each of these words means demigod] and nagas, but also against the lawfully wedded wives of Ruksha, Vidhyadhar, Ghandharvas, Kinnars, and Vanaras (monkeys) and produced the vanaras who became the associates of Rama`` [ Ambedkar, p.7.]

To help Dalit along, I googled to see if I could find any interesting stories.

I was most disappointed. The websites of a particular type used to be chock full of articles on a sort of Hinduism that no Hindu had heard about.

Now, there seems have been a something of a general cleansing. It`s all about unlimited love and respecting everyone, from this point onward.

What a change a few years can make.

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Anyways, some nighttime reading for the inquisitive :)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Pantheon/4789/Articles/Scripture/

Re: #237 by Dalit

[Hehehehe…
mention Vishnu and Mahesh and all atheists, agnostics, and Christians are interested…Hehehe… Hindus…. ]


Hehehehe…
mention 6-year old children and 72 Houris and all Muslims are interested…Hehehe… Muslims….

Re: #204 by Romair

[Obviously, none of you would have the courage to come to Lahore and make these comments.]

Is this a Dawood quote?

re #231
The NYT reporter is such a dupe.... the pakis are telling him that their names are Sanjay Dutt and Shahroukh and he is printing that... :)
Another Judy Miller or Jayson Blair?

dalit bhai

Dost-mittar ji, you, and yours truly are all Hindus. If we stop having fun with our devine characters, we won`t be Hindus anymore. So let`s hear it from you, and make it spicy :)

hehehehe...dalit....hehehehehe....

Hehehehe…
mention Vishnu and Mahesh and all atheists, agnostics, and Christians are interested…Hehehe… Hindus….

mohar:

come on now, you really don`t want to be on the list of hateful hindus d`you?!

i`m not arguing with anything you`ve said `cept to point out one thing: a) britain is not necessarily the oldest democracy. i thought that ``honor`` belonged to someone else.

Anger Burns on the Fringe of Britain`s Muslims

To the boys from Cross Flats Park, Mr. Tanweer, 22, who blew himself up on a subway train in London last week, was devout, thoughtful and generous. If they understood his actions, it was because they lived in Mr. Tanweer`s world, too.

They did not agree with what Mr. Tanweer had done, but made clear they shared the same sense of otherness, the same sense of siege, the same sense that their community, and Muslims in general, were in their view helpless before the whims of greater powers. Ultimately, they understood his anger.

The news that four British-born Muslim men from neighborhoods around Leeds were suspected of carrying out the bombings in London has made the shared dissatisfaction of boys like these and the creeping militancy of some young British Muslims an urgent issue in Britain.

The bombers are an exception among Britain`s 1.6 million Muslims. But their actions have highlighted a lingering question: why are second-generation British Muslims who should seemingly be farther up the road of assimilation rejecting the country in which they were born and raised?

``I know what people don`t understand - it`s how terrorists could have been born in this country,`` Shahroukh said. ``But my point is, why not?``

A recent poll commissioned by The Guardian found that 84 percent of Muslims surveyed were against the use of violence for political means, but only 33 percent of Muslims said they wanted more integration into mainstream British culture. Almost half of those surveyed said their Muslim leadership did not represent their views.

``For our parents, the attention was focused on getting a job and building a life here,`` Mr. Khan said. ``My generation had to go through more of a thinking process to discover who we are, our Islamic identity.``

That anger stems not merely from unhappiness with the situation of Muslims in Britain, but also solidarity with what they see as the aggressive and unjust treatment of Muslims abroad, and not least from Britain`s part in the war in Iraq.

Children of Indian immigrants assimilate, use the opportunities in the country of their birth and do well..

Children of Paki immigrants turn more Paki then their Paki parents and become suicide bombers... And we`re supposed to believe THEY`RE victims...and that too because of what`s happening to muslim in other parts of the world....

Capt Clueless` reaction is typical...He wants us to forget paki support for OBL and other Islamic jihadis now that, after 9/11/London/Madrid, their love for the jihadis is back in the closet.. Capt Clueless would have us believe pakis are the victims now...

That kind of propaganda only works on pakis..the rest of the world is smarter..

Consider this brit-paki..before london was bombed he was all JIIIIHAAAAD, much like most pakis on chowk...now that London has bombed and the jihad-supporters are under a spotlight, he is trying to lay low and portray himself as the victim...



Feelings of siege amid fear of blame

Sayful Islam, a local leader of the radical group al-Muhajiroun, who last year praised the Madrid bombings and warned that ``Britain must expect to be attacked``, preferred to lie low yesterday. ``I`m just concentrating on my family at the moment,`` he said.

He believed the attacks might make Muslim people more insular, more likely to stay within the security of their own communities. ``It may not be as safe for us to travel around,`` he said.

Many said they thought that the attack on London had been inevitable. Dhobir Ali, 22, said: ``I think they had it coming with the war in Iraq. It was bound to happen.``

#232 by mohar11 on July 16, 2005 9:01am PT

There you go again...asking tough questions pakis don`t want to deal with and increasing the number of hateful hindus on the internet...

Re: # 231

These brit-pakis want to bring back caliphate and ``instill Islamic mores and Islamicize almost every aspect of daily life``. Yep - that`s what these guys want to have - caliphate and islamic mores ....... And these are upper-middle class well educated brit-pakis - not some flaming mullahs in a smelling madressa.....The rot is deep and wide - and irreversible, at least for a couple of generations.

The question is - What the heck do the brits do now? How are they going manage these people? Brits have hit a veritable black hole - all the logic of pluarlism/multi-culturalism breaks down when you encounter pakis with caliphate in their minds.

I mean - people say lack of democracy does this to muslims. Well, these pakis are already living in a democracy, the oldest democracy........ People say - poverty and lack of education does this - well, these pakis are alredy rich and educated.

Brits are at their wit`s end...... But it serves them right - they have been feeding the snakes for long time - against all advice and common sense - Now they harvest the poison. Sad!!!

Look at the contrast....all these hate filled hindus and all these saccha paki muslims full of love for their fellow mankind...

Anger Burns on the Fringe of Britain`s Muslims

LEEDS, England, July 15 - At Beeston`s Cross Flats Park, in the center of this now embattled town, Sanjay Dutt and his friends grappled Friday with why their friend Kakey, better known to the world as Shehzad Tanweer, had decided to become a suicide bomber.

``He was sick of it all, all the injustice and the way the world is going about it,`` Mr. Dutt, 22, said. ``Why, for example, don`t they ever take a moment of silence for all the Iraqi kids who die?``

``It`s a double standard, that`s why,`` answered a friend, who called himself Shahroukh, also 22, wearing a baseball cap and basketball jersey, sitting nearby. ``I don`t approve of what he did, but I understand it. You get driven to something like this, it doesn`t just happen.``

To the boys from Cross Flats Park, Mr. Tanweer, 22, who blew himself up on a subway train in London last week, was devout, thoughtful and generous. If they understood his actions, it was because they lived in Mr. Tanweer`s world, too.

They did not agree with what Mr. Tanweer had done, but made clear they shared the same sense of otherness, the same sense of siege, the same sense that their community, and Muslims in general, were in their view helpless before the whims of greater powers. Ultimately, they understood his anger.

The news that four British-born Muslim men from neighborhoods around Leeds were suspected of carrying out the bombings in London has made the shared dissatisfaction of boys like these and the creeping militancy of some young British Muslims an urgent issue in Britain.

Dalit

I second Dost-Mittar ji. Spent a couple of really stressed out days outside of Chowk, and am looking forward to some relaxation. May be you could narrate the story of the Mohini roop :)


Romair

I have controversial views on this. I think that being Indian/Pakistani/etc is vastly overblown. Nationality matters in some cases, but not at all in others.

I do look forward to discussing this important issue with you - if you would be willing to do so after a few hours.

#219 by Romair on July 15, 2005 7:11pm PT

Ok Capt Clueless...We`re all hateful hindus while the pakis who cheer the jihadis and cheer the killing of theo van ghogh are all full of love...

It must be the upbringing....those beghairat hindus(urstruly: is that the appropriate usage)