Sushil Bhatnagar July 22, 2005
#62 Posted by ajeya on July 23, 2005 1:47:49 pm
#58 by kaalchakra
[Ultimately, dalitji - whatever his religion is - would not exist but for our own shortcomings. Realizing that, one can deal with him as a human being, not as a caricature that he makes of himself.
We know we have a long way to go. Any incentive dalitji can provide us to keep moving should be welcome.]
Actually, much is said about ``our`` shortcomings.
Everyone is extremely concerned about the shortcomings of the Hindu. Take any lefty/pseudo-secularist newspaper in India, take the BBC, take most newspapers around the world, Hindus are roundly condemned of everything under the sun.
While the truth is that, of all the world communities, we have been the MOST decent folks. We have been living in India, and it is everybody else under the sun that has attacked us, enslaved us, forced this or that onto us, when they should have just LEFT US ALONE.
As far as religious philosophy goes, I don`t think we are talking about that here.
As far as social dogmas, injustices etc. goes, EVERY society under the sun has its share of them. Very frequently, the ``dalit`` who converts to Christianity to join a egalitarian society suddenly finds that he is not that welcome in many white churches. The low-caste hindu who converts to Islam finds that he is treated very differently by Muslims who are fairer-skinned.
So it would be more mature not to stick Hinduism with these self-improvement targets, but humanity in general.
And that includes the ``lower castes`` and the ``dalits`` who exhibit the same kinds of biases, preferences and prejudices within their own community, any time they are given the chance. Have you ever noticed how the Basketball players in the USA always gravitate towards more ``white``-looking wives?
So it`s best not to bring religion into this.
[Ultimately, dalitji - whatever his religion is - would not exist but for our own shortcomings. Realizing that, one can deal with him as a human being, not as a caricature that he makes of himself.
We know we have a long way to go. Any incentive dalitji can provide us to keep moving should be welcome.]
Actually, much is said about ``our`` shortcomings.
Everyone is extremely concerned about the shortcomings of the Hindu. Take any lefty/pseudo-secularist newspaper in India, take the BBC, take most newspapers around the world, Hindus are roundly condemned of everything under the sun.
While the truth is that, of all the world communities, we have been the MOST decent folks. We have been living in India, and it is everybody else under the sun that has attacked us, enslaved us, forced this or that onto us, when they should have just LEFT US ALONE.
As far as religious philosophy goes, I don`t think we are talking about that here.
As far as social dogmas, injustices etc. goes, EVERY society under the sun has its share of them. Very frequently, the ``dalit`` who converts to Christianity to join a egalitarian society suddenly finds that he is not that welcome in many white churches. The low-caste hindu who converts to Islam finds that he is treated very differently by Muslims who are fairer-skinned.
So it would be more mature not to stick Hinduism with these self-improvement targets, but humanity in general.
And that includes the ``lower castes`` and the ``dalits`` who exhibit the same kinds of biases, preferences and prejudices within their own community, any time they are given the chance. Have you ever noticed how the Basketball players in the USA always gravitate towards more ``white``-looking wives?
So it`s best not to bring religion into this.
#60 Posted by Kane on July 23, 2005 1:34:20 pm
Dalit..you ignorant shithead....dont you know what happened in 1971 ? Indian Army defeated Pakistani forces badly and broke Pakistan into 2 equal parts. Pakistan Army surrendered to the Indians. 100,000 Pakistanis were taken as prisoners of war. East Pakistan broke away and Bangladesh was born. Heehehehe....
#59 Posted by Kane on July 23, 2005 1:30:14 pm
Tahmed : ``Coming from an Indian (where minorities are routinely killed, where known thugs like Modi are national leaders - who was denied a visa to the US a few months ago on account of being a hindu terrorist), this bs rings hollow. You of course dont know that - and that doesnt matter. The rest of the world knows that.``
Obviously you are an idiot. `Rest of the world` , atleast the civilised world is talking about Islamic terrorism , muslim suicide bombers , terrorist threat from Pakistan.
`Rest of the world` is yet to talk of Modi , hindu fundamentlists in the same breath.Somehow Modi and hindus do not merit the same attention from the `rest of the world` as the adherents of the `religion of peace` (RoP). Wonder why ...
Also , in interest of accuracy , Modi was never called or considered a `hindu terrosist` by the US administration. And to say `minorities are routinely killed in India` is just Tahmed32`s personal opinion.It is also Tahmed32`s personal opinion that he is the biological father of his wife`s children...
Obviously you are an idiot. `Rest of the world` , atleast the civilised world is talking about Islamic terrorism , muslim suicide bombers , terrorist threat from Pakistan.
`Rest of the world` is yet to talk of Modi , hindu fundamentlists in the same breath.Somehow Modi and hindus do not merit the same attention from the `rest of the world` as the adherents of the `religion of peace` (RoP). Wonder why ...
Also , in interest of accuracy , Modi was never called or considered a `hindu terrosist` by the US administration. And to say `minorities are routinely killed in India` is just Tahmed32`s personal opinion.It is also Tahmed32`s personal opinion that he is the biological father of his wife`s children...
#58 Posted by KaalChakra on July 23, 2005 1:12:03 pm
ajeya
Ultimately, dalitji - whatever his religion is - would not exist but for our own shortcomings. Realizing that, one can deal with him as a human being, not as a caricature that he makes of himself.
We know we have a long way to go. Any incentive dalitji can provide us to keep moving should be welcome.
Ultimately, dalitji - whatever his religion is - would not exist but for our own shortcomings. Realizing that, one can deal with him as a human being, not as a caricature that he makes of himself.
We know we have a long way to go. Any incentive dalitji can provide us to keep moving should be welcome.
#57 Posted by ajeya on July 23, 2005 12:35:45 pm
Re: #53 by Kaalchakra
Well Dalit or not, due to some reason this guy has an extreme inferiority complex. He`s obviously not from a good background. Maybe from an extremely poor and uneducated muslim family that used to be an uneducated dalit family that was converted by force. It seems rape and violence might have been involved.
Actually it is fairly certain that his family was converted against their will. Because it seems that he needs Hindu attention. Kind of like a lost soul crying in the wilderness.
Hopefully his children will not have the same ghosts haunting them.
Well Dalit or not, due to some reason this guy has an extreme inferiority complex. He`s obviously not from a good background. Maybe from an extremely poor and uneducated muslim family that used to be an uneducated dalit family that was converted by force. It seems rape and violence might have been involved.
Actually it is fairly certain that his family was converted against their will. Because it seems that he needs Hindu attention. Kind of like a lost soul crying in the wilderness.
Hopefully his children will not have the same ghosts haunting them.
#56 Posted by tahmed32 on July 23, 2005 12:33:11 pm
ranjit #37 I read the rest of your post.
you wrote ``Your establishment plays a double game of paying lip service and ``show-sha`` against terrorism, while at the same time sending in killers who take innocent life simply because they belong to another faith. ``
Coming from an Indian (where minorities are routinely killed, where known thugs like Modi are national leaders - who was denied a visa to the US a few months ago on account of being a hindu terrorist), this bs rings hollow. You of course dont know that - and that doesnt matter. The rest of the world knows that.
you wrote ``Your establishment plays a double game of paying lip service and ``show-sha`` against terrorism, while at the same time sending in killers who take innocent life simply because they belong to another faith. ``
Coming from an Indian (where minorities are routinely killed, where known thugs like Modi are national leaders - who was denied a visa to the US a few months ago on account of being a hindu terrorist), this bs rings hollow. You of course dont know that - and that doesnt matter. The rest of the world knows that.
#54 Posted by tahmed32 on July 23, 2005 12:29:02 pm
ranjit #37 I already responded to you - I said you were a nut.
#53 Posted by KaalChakra on July 23, 2005 12:26:48 pm
Ajeya
I don`t think any religion will like to claim our friend. He is just our dear Dalitji.
I don`t think any religion will like to claim our friend. He is just our dear Dalitji.
#52 Posted by Dalit on July 23, 2005 12:24:54 pm
Talveen Singh went to Deobund….heheheheh…all mullah put hands under their long shirts....hehehehe.... way down….hehehehe…Talveen Singh ran….hehehehehe…..
#51 Posted by ajeya on July 23, 2005 12:20:25 pm
Re: #49 by Kaalchakra
Thanks for telling me that.
So is he a Muslim?
Thanks for telling me that.
So is he a Muslim?
#50 Posted by ajeya on July 23, 2005 12:18:33 pm
Re: #48 by VictimofPedophilePriest
Still have hots for the priest?
Hehehehehe
Still have hots for the priest?
Hehehehehe
#49 Posted by KaalChakra on July 23, 2005 12:16:59 pm
Ajeya
Dalit is an old friend. He is not a Christian.
Dalit
You have got us right. Talking of bombing religious places is so much nonsense. I just learnt that there is an Al-Jamia Al-Salafia Madrassa in, of all places, Varanasi!
And students of this temple of learning go to, again, of all places, JNU.
On the other hand, one can ask: where will they go if not to JNU?
Dalit is an old friend. He is not a Christian.
Dalit
You have got us right. Talking of bombing religious places is so much nonsense. I just learnt that there is an Al-Jamia Al-Salafia Madrassa in, of all places, Varanasi!
And students of this temple of learning go to, again, of all places, JNU.
On the other hand, one can ask: where will they go if not to JNU?
#48 Posted by Dalit on July 23, 2005 12:14:12 pm
#47
hehehehehe
Brahma is found guilty of cohabiting with his own daughter, Saraswati.
heheheheh
The sexual life of Krishna, an incarnation of Vishnu, is well-known for its indecency. He had illicit relations with Radha, wife of his maternal uncle. hehehehe
Incest, pedophile, child molesters all there. Heheheheh Hindu liar….heheheh
#47 Posted by ajeya on July 23, 2005 12:09:44 pm
Re: #46 by ChristianDalit
According to the National Geographic channel, ``Virgin`` Mary had an extramarital affair with a young Roman soldier when her MUCH older husband was away.
Hehehehehe
``Immaculate birth`` my a$$.
Hehehehehe
:-)
According to the National Geographic channel, ``Virgin`` Mary had an extramarital affair with a young Roman soldier when her MUCH older husband was away.
Hehehehehe
``Immaculate birth`` my a$$.
Hehehehehe
:-)
#46 Posted by Dalit on July 23, 2005 12:03:02 pm
#42 by Kane
Heheheh no war in 71…talk about Alex boy…hehehe...talk about the Ghauri boy…. And other boys….talk about the Chinese boys….heheheh...all invaders beat the sh1t out of hindu….hehehehe.
Muslim holy place right next to Delhi….Deoband…hehehehe nuke that first…that is the Kaaba of all terrorist…hehehe…can’t even go near there…hehehehe
Nuke Old delhi first….more muslims there….hehehehe hindu cowards….want gora to fight for them heheheheh…..
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